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Music Transfer box????????

At school they showed us a video of a device that supposedly you could place on a cardboard box and music would play through the box. How can I make this? I was thinking on using a piezo element. Any ideas????P.S. you would plug it in to a headphone jack.

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how do i transfer my ipod music library from my old laptop to my new one?

I have bought a new laptop and cant work out how to transfer my ipod music library to my new one, can anyone help?

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Different ipod/itunes music transfer

So, i just got a new ipod touch from a friend and need some help with something. I setup a new itunes account on my laptop and regestered my ipod touch to it. I've since downloaded a bunch of apps and now im looking to put my music on it.  Now here is the problem; all my music is on my old ipod mini. That ipod is regestered to a different itunes account on my home computer. Now i don't want to restore my new ipod touch because iv got a lot of apps on it but i don't want to have to download all my songs again either. I was wondering wether it is possible to transfer thoes music files from my old ipod to my new one. If anyone knows how or if this is possible please help me out. Thanks,        Flamethrower1010

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how to transfer music from one ipod to another?

I have an ipod with good music and its headphone jack is loose so i took my sisters ipod and i want the other music now so how can i do tht?

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USB reader for gameboy

Does anyone know how to program? It would be cool to install a USB port into a gameboy cartridge so that the gameboy could read the files and/or play music on it. You would also need to put that code/program onto that GB cartridge. If anyone has any ideas, feel free to speak up! :D -cwix09 also see my related post https://www.instructables.com/community/USB-reader-for-gameboy/

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USB reader for gameboy

Hello! Have you ever needed to transfer a file on one of your USB drives to a second usb drive and dont always have a computer on hand? Sucks doesn't it.. I have an idea to build two usb ports into some kind of device with a screen so that you could transfer files. However this would require a skilled programmer and I am not that. So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions. It would be cool to incorporate a gameboy and perhaps make the gameboy into a MP3 player as well. Just sayin: it would be nice if things like kindles or ipads had usb ports! (thats for any apple employees who may be reading this lol) -cwix09

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How do I transfer music from my iPod to a new computer, without losing the music I have?

I would like to transfer music from my iPod to a new computer, without losing the music I have on the iPod as well as the music that is already on the new computer. My old computer crashed, and my music is only on the iPod. I've already uploaded and purchased music on the new computer, that wasn't on my iPod before. I'm afraid to hook the two together, because I've heard you can loose music. Any ideas on what I can do?

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How do I transfer 20GBs of music from a first generation ipod to my itunes?

I need to transfer 20GBs of music from a first generation ipod to my itunes on my mac mini

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how to transfer music video to my sony ericson k530i?

I just wanted to know on how to because when I downloaded a mv to my phone it was unknown file please give me the concrete steps

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Is it possible to transfer data like music files/documents/pictures/videos to my xbox through a Ethernet cable? :)?

I am trying to connect my laptop up to my xbox, I can get it connected through the wifi from bridging the connection and everything. But I wanna be able to transfer data through the ethernet cable as well. Any suggestions? Would an Ethernet Hub/Switch work?

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My files wont transfer from itunes to my ipod classic. What can i do to fix this?

I recently broke my ipod classic. I went and had it replaced with a refrurbished. I registered it and synced my library with it. I noticed a 10 pack of chappelle show that i purchased only having 5 shows come up and into my ipod during the sync even though all were checked. How can i get them all onto it? No matter what i have tried, it just wont upload.

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iTunes help? Answered

Hey- random question out there but i have a quick question. Can i share my iTunes with more than 5 computers? I have read a few papers saying you can only authorize 5 computers to use itunes (for your account). We have 3 computers so far connected to iTunes, but i want to use a computer upstairs with it, and i also know we will be eventually expanding to more than 5 computers. I was thinking of using a hard drive transfer (as we have no internet jack close upstairs, and its not wireless so we cant use home sharing easily. i do have a 50 foot Ethernet cable that would work. hehe), and just copying the entire itunes library to a portable hard drive, copying it over to the computer, and selecting it from the library in itunes (would i have to authorize to use it?), and going from there. Its a mac-windows transfer, so not sure what would happen there.  I was thinking after transfer (and possible authorization), could i just de-authorize the computer, and still play the music?? Is it legal?

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Is there any way to transfer data from a Palm Pilot (Tungsten E2 PDA) into an Apple iPhone 3G/S?

Rather than starting over, typing each character from my contacts, memory, photo files, it sure would be nice to just do a data transfer from my desktop. I know that the iPhone uses the iTunes as a "home base" when transferring data and music. (Sync'ing...I believe is the correct term.) I'm not good with compooters. LOL!

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Problems with rhapsody music downloads and mp3 player?

Hi all, Was wondering about this problem I have been having with rhapsody music downloads I get  from this rhapsody music subscription I have and my mp3 player. I've been using the rhapsody subscription to listen to music on the pc mainly, but I got a new mp3 player from my girlfriend and I was thinking I could also use the rhapsody music that comes with the rhapsody music subscription on the mp3 player , since as far as I recall I have included in the subscription rhapsody music downloads for mp3 players. But I was wondering something: how do I download rhapsody songs to mp3 player and  what happens to the rhapsody music downloads from the mp3 player if I  find a better music service  from where to get music and give up the rhapsody subscription ?

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How to record more music from Napster?

Hello, I have a 60$ annual account at Napster and I have 60MP3s/year for free and of course I can listen unlimited music on my playlist on Napster.  My problem is that I have already downloaded those 60MP3 at the beginning of the year and now I cannot download any song and I was wondering if there is other possibility to record or save somehow music from Napster on my pc and transfer them on my phone so that I can listen to them all the time? Thanks

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Are there any sites that have free MP3s that are then transferred onto Windows Media Player? Answered

Ive been wondering if theres any websites that alow for a clickable link that then leads to windows media player and plays the song I have seen it done but im looking for a website in which A vast majority of Mp3s are like this that are free and 100% legal

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I cannot play the downloads from my Napster monthly subscription on my cell phone.

Hello, Is there anyone who can tell me why I cannot play the music I've downloaded from my Napster subscription service on my cell phone? I have some downloads from Napster service and I'd just love to transfer them on my phone to have them on the go. Thanks.

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Copy Cassette to CD

How do I copy my cassette's to CD? I have one car that only has a CD player and I would like to listed to my cassette language learning tape, but can't until I can figure out how to transfer them. I do have a CD burner, but don't know how to get the info from the cassette to the burner or computer. Thanks for your help!

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i own a ipod shuffle and do not know how to download music onto it?

I have down loaded cd's and some songs into itunes but cannot get them to transfer to my ipod shuffle.  i am not too computer savey so really need a step by step instructions.

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I have a Alcatel pixi 7 tablet. A few questions on the SD card.

I just bought a sd card and im wondering if i can transfer my pinterest and facebook games onto it? Or is it mainly for pictures and music? Any suggestions would be welcomed.  Thank you.

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Will my iPod automatically download its content to a new computer when I sync it, or-

So my old faithful 'puter gave up the fight. I've built myself a new rig, and have iTunes installed and my account set up again. If I sync my iPod to the new system will it automatically transfer the music files back onto the PC or do I need to install my old HDD and manually transfer the source files onto the new system? Thanks. Cheers! Zok

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Possible to record grooveshark songs for ipod? Answered

Hi, If you guys use grooveshark music streaming, do you also know if it is possible to record and save grooveshark songs for ipod ? I found some pretty good songs I like on grooveshark, but I saw round there that ipods are not supported ,so I was wondering if there would be any possibility to record and save grooveshark songs I like and then transfer the songs to my ipod.  I'd love to hear nay ideas on this.Thanks!

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How to copy/transfer files(songs,video,photo,dvd) from iPod to Mac/PC?

[b]The article includes two parts. 1. How to Transfer Files from iPod to Mac? 2. How to Copy Files from iPod to PC?[/b] [b]Part1. How to Transfer Files from iPod to Mac? [/b] Above all, you need the iMacsoft iPod to Mac Transfer. iMacsoft [url=http://www.ipodtomac.biz/]iPod to Mac[/url] Transfer, the excellent iPod and iPhone management tool is specially designed for Mac users. It can fast transfer, rip, copy and manage your music, videos, photos, podcasts and TV Shows between iPod/iPhone and Mac and add them to your local iTunes library. What can iMacsoft iPod to Mac Transfer Do... Rip, copy and manage iPod music, videos, photos, podcasts and TV Shows between iPod/iPhone and Mac. Transfer files from iPod to Mac, iPhone to Mac. Edit and delete iPod/iPhone playlists. Copy files among multiple iPods. Transfer iPod to iPod on Mac. Transfer iPod music, videos, photos to iPhone. [b]How iMacsoft iPod to Mac Transfer Working... [/b] [img]http://www.ipodtomac.biz/images/ipod-to-mac-localfolder.jpg[/img] Step 1. Run software and click the "Add Files to iPod" or "Add Folder to iPod" button. Step 2. Click "Open" button to import selected files to your iPod. Step 3. When following dialogbox appear, you have done that! [b]Part2. How to Copy Files from iPod to PC? [/b] If you are an iPod user, and you want to know : [b]* copy your iPod content such iPod songs, movies, playlist and photo onto more than one PC * copy songs, video, photo from iPod to pc of your friend to share your iPod. * sync your iPod with a new computer. * backup your iPod content to a newly bought computer. * Your iTunes crashed and how to use iPod on another computer. [/b] In fact, copying files from [url=http://www.ipod-to-pc.net/] iPod to PC [/url] is easy to do. All you need to do is make sure that the PCs in question have iTunes or a similar software program installed on them. As we know, Cucusoft iPod to PC Transfer can help you copy files including songs, video, movies, pictures etc from iPod to PC, just need few steps, you can copy files from iPod to PC, follow this guide, you can resolve your problem. [b]Guide: How to Copy Files from iPod to PC? [/b] [img]http://www.ipod-to-pc.net/images/ipod-to-pc-1.gif[/img] [b]Step1[/b]. Launch the program. Normally, the program will search the device automatically. [b]Step2[/b]. Choose the list and files you want to transfer , Click the Export button. [b]Step3[/b]. After you clicking the Export button, the following window will pop up, you can choose transferring to computer or iTunes directly. You can set the output folder at Advanced->Options before transferring... [b]Step4[/b]. When the transferring finished, the following window will pop up. It shows that how many files have been done. You can click the OK button to view the output files. OK, now you have copied files from iPod to PC. And, if you are also looking for the [url=http://www.bestdvdconverter.com/]best dvd converter[/url], here are the Best software. Have a good day!

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What midi instrument do you suggest that I can record my songs on and that I can transfer to computer software?

I'd like to get a midi keyboard to be able to hook up to my computer so that I can play music and have it record in software which allows me to edit my piece and add other instruments to it. Can you recommend some good keyboards for this and the accompanying software? Steve Olson

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Share : how to rip DVD and convert Video to iPod

Share : how to rip DVD and convert Video to iPodThe article includes two parts.Part 1: Rip DVD movie to iPod (Windows)Part 2: Convert AVI, WMV, MPEG, RM, RMVB, ASF, MOV, DivX, XviD, MPG to iPod MP4 or H264 format (Windows)[1]How to rip DVD to iPod (Windows) 1. Download the latest version DVD to iPod Converter + iPod Movie/Video Converter Suite at [url=http://www.oursdownload.com/convert-DVD-video-to-iPod-video.html] Share : how to rip DVD and convert Video to iPod[/url] and install it. You can download about it by referrring here.[IMG]http://www.oursdownload.com/ipod-guide-1.jpg[/IMG]2. Run the DVD to iPod Converter, load your DVD by clicking 'Open DVD' button or choosing 'Open DVD' from 'File' drop down menu. One or several titles appear in the list after loading DVD.[IMG]http://www.oursdownload.com/ipod-guide-2.jpg[/IMG]3. As usual, the longest title is the main file of the movie. You can remove the title you don't like to convert by unchecking the title. Set 'Subtitle', 'Audio Languages' to what you like. 4. To 'Output Folder', Enter the full pathname or choose the path where you want to save your video files by clicking the related button. 5. Click 'Convert' button to start the iPod DVD conversion. 6. Find the .mp4 file that DVD to iPod converter created and drag it into your iTunes library, or select 'Add File to Library' from the 'File' menu and select the encoded movies. Now you can watch it with iTunes or Quicktime Player on your PC. Tips: Download iTunes 7+quicktime Player package from [url=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html]Apple - QuickTime - Download[/url][IMG]http://www.oursdownload.com/ipod-guide-3.gif[/IMG]7. Load the MP4 files to iPod by clicking 'File -> Update iPod'. Now, you can enjoy the movies on your fifth generation video iPod anywhere and anytime.[2] How to convert iPod video, such as AVI to iPod, WMV to iPod, MPEG to iPod, RM to iPod, RMVB to iPod, ASF to iPod, MPG to iPod, DivX to iPod, XviD to iPod video using "cucusoft iPod Video Converter + DVD to iPod Suite". (Windows) 1. Download the latest version iPod Video Converter + DVD to iPod Converter Suite, and install it. For more features about it, visting [url=http://www.oursdownload.com/convert-DVD-video-to-iPod-video.html] Share : how to rip DVD and convert Video to iPod[/url]Related download To convert RM/RMVB real media files to iPod, Maybe need to install Realplayer:[url=http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=rnwk]RealPlayer - The best audio and video player - Real.com[/url] To convert WMV, ASF to iPod, Maybe need to install Windows Media Player:[url=http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/default.mspx]Microsoft Windows Media — Your Digital Entertainment Resource[/url] 2. Run iPod Video converter component. And load the video files you'd like to convert by clicking 'Open file' button.[IMG]http://www.oursdownload.com/ipod-guide-4.jpg[/IMG]Click 'Output' and choose the pathname where you want to save your video files. Click 'Convert' to start converting video to iPod MP4 or H264 files. Tips: Before converting, you can click 'Advance -> Video settings' to set 'Video format', 'Resolution', 'Framerate', 'Output Quality'. If you'd like to convert video to H264 files, please set 'Video format' to 'H.264 FQ Variable Bitrate'. 'MPEG4(.mp4) FQ Variable Bitrate' is the default value. Certainly, you can also set 'Audio Bitrate', 'Channels', 'Sample Rate' and 'Volume' in 'Audio Settings' page.[IMG]http://www.oursdownload.com/ipod-guide-5.jpg[/IMG]As usual, we set "Resolution" as "320x240" (i.e. default settings), certainly you can also choose other video sizes you like. 3. After converting, you can open the output folder to check and play the iPod video files (.mp4 or .mov) using Quicktime Player (Freeware, Quicktime Player+iTunes downloading address [url=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html]Apple - QuickTime - Download[/url] ). 4. Transfer the iPod videos to iTunes by draging or clicking "File -> Add File to Library". Now, you can enjoy them on iTunes. Then hit "File -> Update iPod" to sync to your iPod.[url=http://www.oursdownload.com/convert-DVD-video-to-iPod-video.html] Share : how to rip DVD and convert Video to iPod[/url]

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Make an external HDD work with Xbox 360?

I, like many people, got the new Xbox for Christmas. However, my mom failed to notice that it was the 4GB model, rather than the awesome 250GB. When I realized this, I immediately went online and looked for a 250GB Xbox S Hard Drive, and found that they're $130($0.52/GB)! Well I knew that the Xbox can use flashdrives for storage, etc. so it should treat an external hard drive just like a big flashdrive, right? So I went to BestBuy and bought a 500GB external hard drive for $60 ($0.12/GB- 4.3x cheaper!). Upon plugging this into my Xbox, and going through the configuration process, I see that my Xbox is only picking it up as 16GB. "Are you kidding me? There's a lot more than 16GB on that thing!" I went online, and did some Googling, and YouTubing. All I could find was formatting the drive, and even then only being able to transfer movies, music, etc from you computer. I read multiple times that you couldn't put games or profiles on it(I wanted to do this, so I could transfer everything from my old original Xbox 360 HDD, and then sell it). Could somebody please tell me a way to make an external hard drive work with Xbox 360? I'd rather not format anything, but I will if I must. Thank you!

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How can I attach my speakers to my ipod data-cable? (building an ipod speaker dock) Answered

So I'm trying to build an ipod speakerdock. And as you may or may not know all the speaker docks use the data transfer thingie on the ipod (so not the hole you plug your earphones in). I know there are some speakerdocks where you plug it into the earphonesocket but I find the loose wire annoying. I'm attempting to build one of these myself and have speakers available and I have an extra datacable. So my question is, how can i connect the data-cable to my speakers so that if I put it in the dock and I press play you can hear the music coming out of the speaker? I suspect that the part of the cable that goes in the usb should be removed and some wires need to be connected but I'm wondering which. And for all the people who will go with the "just plug it in the earphone socket" answer. That is plan B in case nobody here knows the answer. thanks in advance

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Wireless FM microphone real time voice/play transmitter

Hello I am looking to buy/build a small FM wireless transmitter with built in microphone (similar to karaoke but not exactly ) to transfer voice or sound  from playing  musical instrument  to earphone. It is meant only for practice purpose so does not need  high power, the distance between the microphone (the transmitter ) to earphone  is like from mouth to ear a few centimeters say about  50 cm. I am electronic junior engineer and have knowledge and experience in electronics mechanics and wave buy. Before trying to develop a new product  I was looking for a readymade shelf product. The first way I have searched the internet and reached manufacturer of Bluetooth solutions because of the plenty of Bluetooth earphone that are on the market, but quit a short time after I got some answers from the the Techs engineers  of the manufacturers that Bluetooth will not be my solution because It was not originally designed for true real time transmitting. The main problem is the latency time because there is a delay between the voice or play start until I hear it in the earphone there is improved in Bluetooth 4.1 and 4.2 that is 38 MS and may be not enough while fast playing, So as I was advised I started looking in the RF FM area. FM transmitters are long time in the market of stages and performers, there are high power grate quality transmitters that cost hundreds of dollars. Here is the summary of what I need :        I will need the smallest device (PCB) can be like FM spy bug transmitter. built in microphone (on the PCB ) , built in battery compartment (on the PCB ),built in antenna a copper loop on the PCB (no wire) Since there may be some problems like saturation of microphone or other problems with band width or  sound and sensitivity, sensitivity and control for the Microphone is important. Easy calibration of  tuning and stability , may be digital tuning is better. One option is to use the standard of radio FM 88-108 , but it possible that I can use FM VHF or UHF system that have both transmitter and receiver . If there are no ready made products thatn I can easy build a kit , or from schematic diagrams I will be thank full if you have any ideas. Nevat Ben Haim Recomp Computers

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Modify iTunes rating/advisory warning in mp3s on Mac?

I have searched and searched online for a solution and have found nothing that works.  I want to add & modify the CLEAN and EXPLICIT content advisory warning labels displayed in iTunes on mp3s using my Mac. Yes, I know I could just type in explicit or clean in the comments field using get info, but that does not work with the built in parental controls.  Also, I get a little OCD with my music and would much prefer to use the correct label since there is one. For anyone who says mp3 files cannot store this type of information, that is incorrect.  See the screenshot below for proof of the contrary.   I purchased the song below in the iTunes store but later converted it to mp3 so I could use the song on a device/program (can't remember which) that could not play the original file type.  The content advisory label was transferred to the mp3. Here are some proposed solutions I found online that do NOT work: - Atomic Parsley - Does not work with mp3s.  Yes, I could potentially convert my entire library to AAC and then use this but I do not want AAC files, I want mp3 files.  Mp3s are more compatible with other programs and devices.  I suppose I could also convert my entire library to AAC, adjust the content advisory warning labels, then convert the entire library back to mp3.  I do not want to do this, however, because of the potential to reduce the audio quality of almost every song I own.  - Lostify - This program is for mp4 files. - Atomic Parsley based programs - Again, they do not work with mp3s. I may be asking for a miracle here but if anyone knows how to do this, an Instructable would be much appreciated. On a somewhat irrelevant note, here is my take on the parental advisory warnings:  In an ideal iTunes world, these could be easily modified and protected by password so parents could make inappropriate songs not purchased on iTunes inaccessible to their children using the parental controls.  It seems ridiculous to me that this is not possible, as Apple knows that the majority of people do not have a library of songs 100% from the iTunes store.  Also some songs are mislabeled (oftentimes if one song on an album has an f-bomb, the entire album is marked explicit). 

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"Sonic" drilling or cutting

If we look up sonic drills today we usually get some fancy machines driving pipes in the ground, preferably softer ground.But the term includes all types of machines that use sonic vibrations to advance through a media.With the ancient and claimed to have never existed technologies in mind I did some digging...In the food industry vibrating knifes are quite common, same for "air knifes" on softer food.Even in the meat industry they find more and more uses now.Ultrasonic cutting or welding is the same thing and included in "sonic".Same for some experimental sub sonic drilling methods currently being tested.The general idea might be as old as using vibrating equippment to compact stuff, like concrete, bricks and so on.What you can compact by vibration you can also make "fluid" by vibration.Industrial feeder systems utilise this to the extreme by even making light and fine particles like flour move like water without causing any dusting.What all the techniques have in common that a suitable tool or tool head is used and that it is attempted to use the most suitable vibration frequency for the job.Anyone operating an ultrasonic welder knows the pain of finetuning for a new electrode or just new part to be welded.What does that tell us now that makes the understanding easier?Take a bottle of ketchup, preferably one that is still quite full.Turn it upside down and noothing comes out.Shake it a bit and you are either lucky or drowned in red.But hold it at an angle and start tapping it and the red sauce flows out easily.What it true for most newtonian fluids is in some way also true for non-newtonian fluids.Ever mixed corn starch and water to make these funny experiments with it?Hit it hard and it reacts really hard and is not sticky at all.Leave your hand resting on it and in sinks in and sticks to it.Stirring it very slowly is easy, go faster and you get stuck.You can do similar things with by using an external source for vibrations.For example a vibration speaker mounted to a smal cup of the goo.If you place sand on a sloped piece of plastic or sheet metal then at a low angle it will pile up easy and stay.Start vibrating the plate and the sand will start to flow off.Works fine with a vibration source mounted to a piece of steel bar or rod and a bucket of sand too.Trying to press it into the sand requires a lot of force, especially once you are a bit deeper.Let it vibrate properly and it slides rights down.If we can do the simple stuff as well as really complicated stuff in the industry then what about other materials?So far we use vibrations to make things move out of the way, compact things, transport them or to heat them up for welding plus some cutting applications.Considering the variety one might wonder why no one tries it for "difficult" materials.Machined surface can be found throughout ancient history.Finding "machined things" were vibrations was clearly used is a bit harder.The great walls are not a perfect example here as the views differ quite a bit on how they could have been created.But if we leave things melting them or a secret concret like recipe for creating for example granite then vibrations start to make some sense.You find some interesting videos on youtube where people use speakers, wires and rocks to confirm you can actually "machine" them by vibrations.Especially granite has some quite musical properties, big boulders as well as smaller ones produce destinct sounds when you hit them hard.Tests and measurements were made on granite and other hard rocks to check how fast sound travels in them , how it is refeclted and where the sound comes out or affects the surface the most.Lets just say every sample gave different results.Shape, density and dimensions affect not just the resonant frequency but also where and how the sound travels in the rock.What if??We can use a simple speaker, a plate and some rice to see how patterns form under various frequencies.Works with sand or other granules as well.The interesting patterns are the so called harmoncis.Here we see clear and destinct patters, sometimes with extremely fine lines and areas of softly vibrating granules.Some people say these harmonic frequencies have all special meanings and uses.We mainly used them to avoid problems.Imagine your new TV would not have a housing tested to be stable with all frequencies the speakers can produce.All of a sudden your back of the TV might start to rattle ;)Same for car engines.Harmonic vibrations are eliminated wherever possible.Otherwise they could multiply and affect other things in the engine or around it.Simply put it means we have various options to detect and measure vibrations on a surface or in a system.Back in the day every half decent backup generator had a mechanical indicator for the frequency of the supplied electricity.A set of tiny forks with the desired on painted red and several on either side of it.These forks were designed to get into harmonic and therfor quite intense vibrations at their set frequency.If the one for 50Hz looked blurry then all was good ;)The same principle god be applied on a big boulder of granite.Place the "vibration meter" at the desired spot and start moving around the vibration source on the surface until you find a spot that causes maximum response on the meter.Best thing here is that if you then place that surface area onto another peice of fixed in place granite both pieces will start to loose substance if vibrations are applied.The fine sediment forming is then usable as an indicator where to move the vibration source to continue once the effect literally wears off.Is it feasable?Well, if we trust mainstream science then the answer is no.A huge amount of vibration energy would be required for such a hard material, despite ancient proof that says otherwise.Semi industrial test also seemed to confirm the theory as only with very high amplitudes (loudness) and while automatically adjusting for the resonant frequency changes a measurable amount of material was removed.I struggle a bit with that as for the testing tool heads made from hardened steel or carbide were used.And that with little or no regards on how the head and tool itself affects the output.I mean in terms of having the max possible movement happening right t the tool contact surface!There is a huge difference between applying a vibration to a tool and using a system, tool and tool head DESIGNED to work at the desired frequency!Otherwise we wouldn't need a computer to design and test a horn for welding purposes or shade a knife spefically so that the vibration go along the right axis and in the right direction.You not break a hard thing with a very soft thing unless it travels fast enough to become harder as the target!This complicated explanation basically just confirms that if you hit water at a too high speed then it will just break you into pieces instead of offering a soft splashPlease do not jump of bridges or such to confirm this yourself!!If that is really true and science says it is, then how about the other way around?Works fine too, or we wouldn't have pressure washers or water cutters.Now for the part where I hope some really smart people leave helpful comments:If we can cut steel with just a stream of water, then I ask:Isn't for example copper much harder than water?Steel is much harder than copper but water cuts through it.The answer here it simple or complicated, depending on how you want to expain how it works.Comes down to speed and pressure plus the right nozzle shape to prevent a beam expansion.But then water is indeed "harder than steel".Questions:Lets say we would use a copper pipe that in lenght, thickness, hardness and diameter is optimised to transmit a frequency so the pipe end sees the max vibration like a feed horn for ultrasonic welding.Not to hard to calculate these days :)Now imagine said "main frequency" would be optimised for the pipe but also be a harmonic frequency of the rock to be worked on.The pipe end would deform quickly, abrasion does the rest and it fails before even making a decent sratch that is not copper metal on granite.No matter how hard we press nothing good enough will ever happen.BUT: If we would add more hormainc frequencies to feed our pipe we can multiply the amplitude quite easy!Just try with a sound generator from your app store, needs 2 or more channels to be usable.Pick for example 400hZ on one and 800Hz on another, then finetune around these number to hear how the tone changes ;)My theory goes like this:If all "working frequencies" would just harmonics of the resonant frequency of the granite, then they can be tuned so the effect on the pipe end is minimised.The overlaying frequencies however should result in the same effect a water cutter has: The pipe becomes ultra hard.The better the match and the more you have to get it right the harder the pipe will be.Adding now a "drilling frequency" or multiple could be used to drive these harmonics slightly out of phase.Like with the sound generator on your phone we end up with a pulsating sound, or vibration.While the pipe still vibrates at the same "hardening" mix the drilling frequency creates a peak like a jackhammer.Try it by using the heaphone output on a small speaker and placing some light and tiny things into the cone.The will violently jump around during these pulsing tones.For a drilling system the output can be mechanically maximised by utilising a pitchfork design.A head holds the vibration speakers and the tynes are tuned good enough to the frequency of the speakers.Always two would have to operate in sync though as otherwise the pitchfork movement that transfers the sound down the center bar won't work.This head could then be desgined to act as a holder for a quick change of work out pipes that are no longer long enough for tuning.I guesstimate that a well tuned design would result in a copper pipe being able to drill at least 10 to 15cm into solid granite before it wears off too much.And we are talking here about just a few mm to get the thing out of tune!But would dare to desing such a thing just to confirm a theory that no one ever really dared to test? ;)And if friction welding works as good as ultrasonic welding, then what would happen if we try this with the right frequencies and vibrations instead of wasting tons of energy?

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