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Are there any legal suggestions for getting people to slow down on our street? Answered

I'm talking guerrilla warfare. We don't have sidewalks and narrow country roads so walking with a stroller or a dog means you risk life and limb to leave the house--no one drives the 25 MPH speed limit (except me). The town police and the town traffic commission are useless and totally closed minded to any traffic calming suggestions, especially those that cost money. I just want them all to slow down. Any suggestions??

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StaceyH56

1 year ago

he neighbors gave the speeding/loud-illegal-muffler-multiple-non-compliant-cars household a letter that included 'a copy of this is sent to the police' and said in the letter the communication was also for a defense lawyer for the family of the victim when hit by any of the drivers - to prove there has been reckless driving in the neighborhood and by whom. Because the drivers - even the mother - in the household has lied and she and others have tried to sweet talk their way out with the police.

It is all down on paper as a legal document sent to the offending neighbors, by other neighbors and saved at the author's home too. It includes summarized here, "If you do not want to be associated about such things, then change your ways, it is that simple. Not because the neighbhor's are telling you to do this, but because you realize it is a good idea on your own. And it is a promise anyone associated to the household by blood or sentiments and visiting the house responsible for the driving behavior will be respected, not looked down upon that is not the objective here. But if you will not take better care of your actions means you are not willing to be any better or safer around others in the neighborhood. And neighbors talking to each other about exactly what is happening with exactly who is a mature and responsible non-violent way of doing things. It is a neighborhood watch. Legal, and is not harming or causing any disturbance to you. And the neighbors are also communicating in writing so we know we have done everything in our power to prevent a fatal accident. Because when you hit and fatally hurt or kill a person with this kind of driving, it can be considered voluntary manslaughter in a lawsuit you will be responsible - because every driver in the household knows exactly what he is doing. And even approached by a neighbor (sited with more specifics)about the dangers of speeds and loud illegal muffler noises that keep the driver from hearing a person scream to get out of the way - or should anyone's driving around here even have to come to this hence the LEGAL SPEED LIMITS. The law is not to inconvenience a driver, the law is designed to even protect you as a driver and is for a positive reason. And hearing these things as if this is an-against-the-neighbors-scenario instead of seeing it as a way the neighbors are trying to ALL work together on something better for EVERYONE based on facts and truth - it continues to prove then the driving coming from this household is intentionally reckless and unruly for no other reason than to cause problems. But we do not think you really want this - but actions speak louder than words."

So there is still success and a pleasantness about doing what you can in such situations when you have legal documentation in writing addressing the issue that anyone can refer back to the driver(s) cannot lie out of. Even when you are not home knowing the driving is still happening BECAUSE you aren't there, which can be a defeated feeling - means you have not been defeated - because the letter covers such actions now regardless who is present.

The letter was also given to the offending neighbors ended with "The Neighborhood" and also points out the letter is written by one neighbor but is not specifically naming any one or many neighbors so the receiver does not have to focus or feel personally feel attacked, but hear the letter's subject objectively. And that it would apply to anyone responsible for reckless speeds and noise in such a neighborhood.

At some point, you need to do anything that covers and proves your intent to PREVENT A FATALITY OR LIFE DAMAGING INCIDENT. And when you do this for yourself, and walk in the neighborhood with a balanced realistic approach to things - the neighbors will have respect for you.

The letter has worked for speeding. The drivers have no 'outs' anymore. Even if the diver hit-and-run the legal documentation puts him reasonably there if it is not obvious by someone else. We were also even asked by the police to get footage of the incidences with SOUND. RECORDING SOUND EMPHASIZES THE PROBLEM AND SPEED DANGERS. ILLEGAL MUFFLER NOISES PROVES THE DRIVER IS MORE INTERESTED IN FOCUSING ON HIMSELF AND SHOWING OFF THAN WHAT HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AROUND HIM TOO. ALONG WITH HINDERING HIS ABILITY TO BE WARNED OF AN UPCOMING ACCIDENT. The neighbor's noticed and got upset at first about it and even called the police. The police came to them and told them it is legal to surveillance private property with a hand held smart phone camera. Because home cams often do not have sound - to prove illegal muffler noise top of speeding.

So these two things combined - because the video with sound backs up and proves the importance and letter's legitimacy - as RESPONSIBLE, MATURE, WORTH LISTENING to neighbors.

Basically you are covering yourself for anything you also may feel defenseless saying later if/when there is an accident ! You do not have to live this way. You can responsibly take these steps, which helps the offending neighbors realize it actually may be more fun or worth his while to do things that are on your side !

So just remember - the ILLEGAL MUFFLER NOISE is also a PREVENTABLE DRIVING HAZARD. So do not discount that if the speeding subsides but the noise, if still a bother, is happening - the drivers are still and if you state in the letter - indicating intentionally reckless driving by, regardless the car's speed - helping himself be distracted and blinded by noise and sound warnings regarding an upcoming accident.

That you are not going to play dumb or avoid these facts and have THE FACTS AND TRUTH out in the open - not the driver's opinions or physical or verbal emotional responses (i.e. driving more reckless, harder, faster and louder - just emotional and further guilty behavior that backs up the letter) which is immaturity and not a skilled driver - is a success, is a win.

You are addressing things from a better place and have made a difference, in your life, the neighborhood's. Because the LAW, TRUTH AND FACTS - not opinions, emotions or sentimental values - are in charge of the neighborhood.

The facts and truth always must come out at the end. The offending drivers have no control or rule over that. Do what you can, and rest easy after. It actually gives a new, reviving and healthy vibe, you may not see, but is certainly there - about then neighborhood.

Just keep the facts out in the open. There is nothing a person can take personally about it. The facts sit on its on accord. Let the facts and truth take care of themselves. When you have legal documentation of your preventive actions to show a defense lawyer when the time comes.

Sometimes an accident may have to happen for things to stop and get better. You don't know. But if it does, do not feel guilty or responsible that it took this to make a change. That is out of anyone's, BUT THE DRIVER'S ability to control.

And if he or she knows this is what is left in his hands, and everyone else in the neighborhood knows this - there is still a win - you still have the satisfaction of knowing he is left with the responsibility - - not you.

And acknowledging this to him with the neighbors is something he with the police cannot lie or keep speeding and making illegal muffler noise to get away from.

And you may find a new sense of compassion for the driver and a calmer place within yourself when you see him drive by.

When you have done everything in your power to take responsibility for yourself and protect other innocent people in the neighborhood. The police will respect you, have to, that you have done this. You are being as much as a PEACE OFFICER as they are but paid for it!

And the drivers won't be able to find satisfaction in his driving - pointing these things out - as lashing out at you or anyone else anymore. The rebellion and lashing out in the driving and illegal noise (illegal db levels) becomes futile. Especially with a legal document a defense lawyer can refer back to after a fatal accident about the activity happening in the neighborhood.

IF the driver does not want to be associated with it anymore, then he can just change his ways. It is an independent decision on his part. And the driver may decide not to be around as much, so not to draw attention he has changed his ways - and make sure it doesn't seem like anyone told him to !

When you change the psychology about things, can make a big difference in the environment - and that kind of difference can help make things better.

At least keep looking in every way no matter how small things are improving and you can follow up and say thank you for any or all improvements. It also shows the police you are working with not against the neighbors and makes it more inviting for the Police to want to stop by and be involved.

It has helped here, even with lower staffing issues. Everything we've done here, stated here has worked in our favor with the police and stopped intimidation tactics by the neighbors. It took patient steps to get to this point, but well worth it.

Wishing the best possible outcome for the (your) neighborhood -

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esketit123

1 year ago

install fake speed cameras to scare reckless drivers into slowing down

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rabwehr

8 years ago

Check out www.RaserAbwehr.de, the software allows to measure vehicle speed with a webcam. It is pretty accurate +/- 3%, if your webcam has 30 frames per second. With the recorded data and radar photos, you can go to your local traffic enforment / police to either enforce more speed controls or directly sue the speeders.

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acidbass

9 years ago

 make some speed limit signs if you dont already have them umm we live in the country of texas so I know how you feel with the speeders and all of the law enforcement laziness but hhhhhhhmmmmm there really nothing you can do besides maybe install a couple of speed bumps or you could put a couple of hundreds of nails out on the road in such a way that you are the only person that knows the correct path through the nails and then hopefully the speeders will get the picture. we did that and it worked

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writerlady

10 years ago

We had trouble along our narrow street with speeders. I and the neighbors began collecting licsence plate numbers and calling them in to the police daily. We requested and got the city to put up a sign "children playing" AND to lower the limit to 15 mph. They finally cracked down when I got hit, pulling my daughter to safety (only a bruised hand for me, hit and run for the worst offender of the regular speeders on the street). Best idea? Make a pest of yourself(the entire neighborhood) to the authorities - ask for help, report violators, ask for a speed trap. Eventually something will be done.

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MahavishnuMan

10 years ago

Just brainstorming, but a few ideas - Everyone on the street should invest in: 1. Dark sunglasses. 2. White collapsible cane with red reflective tape near the bottom. Take shifts throughout the day, and walk across the street at set distances. Maybe have another volunteer guide you by the elbow to sell the effect. Remember to commit - stare directly ahead, do not move your head to look elsewhere (unless you're either going for the "Stevie Wonder" effect where your head sort of wobbles side-to-side, or if you hear a horn or noise in which case you should only move your head slightly, looking nowhere near the origin of the sound). Have everyone in the neighborhood buy oversize balls, then have a cookout in the front yard. When a driver approaches, let the kids toss the harmless ball in the middle of the street. If a car hits it, there will be no damage, and if they stop you can run out and yell at them, saying "This could have been my child!" Kiteman's hairdryer idea sounds great too, along with the invisible rope. Use local media too - create spectacles by staging cross-a-thons on your street, utilizing the event as a fundraiser for charity (similar to March of Dimes or breast cancer awareness walks, only get sponsors to pay for each round trip across the street). Better yet, use the proceeds to help collision victims of drunk drivers or speeders.

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V-Man737

10 years ago

If you and your neighbors all coordinate calling in complaints to the police, they will pay good attention to it. You'll probably have to get a lot of your neighbors to play along, though. Get in the shoes of the local law enforcement: what could you hear on the radio that would influence you to patrol that street more?

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Gorfram

10 years ago

Maybe have neighbors coordinate to put up lawn signs with "Burma Shave"-type poems, maybe something like:

Sign on Lawn 1: "When you drive along our street"
Sign on Lawn 2: "Let the lead fall from your feet"
Sign on Lawn 3: "Slow down some as you pass by"
Sign on Lawn 4: "So you won't crash and we won't die"
Sign on Lawn 5: (in different font) "NameOfStreet Neighborhood Watch," or something that sounds similarly legal-but-ominous

The lettering should be just big enough to be easy to read at 23 mph. Change the poem signs every week or two so drivers won't just get used to the poem and speed up again (varying the interval so that they don't get used to that either). Poems don't have to be cautionary, or even to be original as long as they're in the public domain:

Sign on Lawn 1: "Mary had a little lamb"
Sign on Lawn 2: "His fleece was black as soot"
Sign on Lawn 3: "And everywhere that Mary went"
Sign on Lawn 4: "His sooty foot he put"
Sign on Lawn 5: (in different font) "NameOfStreet Neighborhood Watch."
(I'm pretty sure that one's in the public domain, anyway :)

Alternatively, you could ask each neighbor to designate a path across their lawn a safe distance from the edge of the road (6-10 feet back, maybe). It's giving up part or your property for public use, and it's giving in to the drivers (and the city), but it may be the thing most likely to work.

(And hey, there is hope for the future - just as soon as a few people (it usually takes around two) get killed by drivers speeding down your street, the city will up and do something about it after all.)

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Kiteman

10 years ago

  • You could try co-ordinating some "bad parking", to create a natural chicane.
  • Take turns to stand beside the road in a reflective jacket and point a hair-dryer at the traffic (it works!)
  • Wrap police tape around various stationary objects (telegraph poles, volunteer cars etc)
  • Wait in the dark, and use a flash-camera to take photos of suspect cars.
  • Stand a large sign at the side of the road Smile, your speed is being captured on video and handed to the police, and arrange a rota of people to stand beside the sign with a video camera. Send the occasional video to the local police.
  • Write an annoyed letter to all the local papers about how unfair it is for the police to lurk on {name your road}, just to catch the speeders.
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seandogue

10 years ago

Get your neighbors together if you can and take to walking slowly across your street, if necessary staring at the automobile with cell phone in hand snapping pictures when cars start to come down the street. Eventually, they'll begin to avoid that route because it's a nuisance to have to slow down for pedestrians, and it's unconsciously unnerving to have someone taking your picture..It's not like you can actually do much with a photo, but psychology dictates a different response. A 25MPH zone is supposed to be pedestrian friendly, so you and your neighbors need to patrol it yourselves, until drivers get the message..

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kevinhannan

10 years ago

As a citizen you do not have any legal authority whatsoever other than to refer the matter to the relevant authorities. If you were to interfere, even legally, you may be held liable, for example, reckless endangerment, and a host of other charges. I don't get 'legal' and 'guerilla warfare' in the same sentence. I think your intent is clear there, basically you want to force people to do what you want while being untouchable yourself. That won't happen. All you can do is report it, or appeal to the drivers better nature, or act illegally. fwiw some guy in a town near me put up 'Slow Down' posters on the street lamps and got down for illegal fly-posting. Another put "We have to live here" on a main route - a scrag wrote back, "Move, cos I pay my car taxes to drive here". Another made a plywood copy of a GATSO speed camera, that worked til it was taken down. I feel for you, but your hands are tied if you want to be truly legal.

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geekazoid

10 years ago

Hi, My little brothers (5 and up) are out biking and playing on the street too. So were in the same boat. What seems to work for us, it to get some orange pylons and place them in such a way, making the street still passable, but narrow, forcing cars to slow down. Our street is not too busy, so this is possible, I'm not sure about yours but it's worked well for us. Sorry that this isn't a legal suggestion, but I do suggest you try this before getting involved legally.