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Gluing PVC sheet: Can you identify 'this' glue? Answered

I am gluing black pvc sheet - I presume its pvc, although not 100% certain, it has that distinctive 'new beach ball' smell to it. 
I'm prototyping right now, and I want to do more stuff like this - and will likely post an instructable - trouble is it walks a fine line of 'family friendly'/sfw.

Either way; I used Lepage Flexible Plastic adhesive.  It worked quite well, and has proven to be quite strong and flexible so far...Works like a contact cement, but stays very flexible.  No mention on the packaging exactly what type of glue it is though.  My question:  What type of glue is this? 

Characteristic acetone volatile smell, works like contact cement.  Package says apply, let dry to touch ~10-30 minutes then close surfaces.  I find it's dry to the touch within a minute or three. (extremely dry climate + warm room I was working in).

Rationale:  It's expensive, 4 bucks for 30mL, and I'd rather have a can-container to dip a brush in.  At the hardware store they have plain-ol contact cement, but the transparent/flexible aspect of this is must.
Thanks in advance!

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Jack A Lopez
Jack A Lopez

Best Answer 10 years ago

PVC pipe cement might work, as this stuff is designed for dissolving/bonding PVC pipe.  The main advantage I can think of is that this stuff is a lot cheaper than the stuff you mention. You'll probably be able to get about 10 times as much for the same price, e.g. circa 300 mL for 4 USD.  It's found in the plumbing section of Earth's finer hardware stores. 

Here are some links to a popular brand. Their MSDS page might give some clues to what it's made of, if you're wondering about that.
http://www.oatey.com/Plumber/Shared/ProductGroup/1/Regular+Cements+and+Primers.html
http://www.oatey.com/Plumber/Shared/ProductResource/MSDS_Sheets.html

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frollard
frollard

Answer 10 years ago

My only trouble with it might be the flexibility of the joint - must be as if its not there :D

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Jack A Lopez
Jack A Lopez

Answer 10 years ago

I can't say if it will work or not, but you asked for something similar and cheaper.  My suggestion is just a guess.  I say it's up to you to try it out, if you can find the time and/or courage to do so. 

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frollard
frollard

Answer 10 years ago

Tis very true; apologies, I forgot to thank you in the last reply - it really came across as you helping and me slapping you in the face :(

Thank you!  I will do a little more research and probably try a few of these.

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Jack A Lopez
Jack A Lopez

Answer 10 years ago

OK.  Forget what I said about PVC cement, I think what you need is a high powered RF-source. A few KW at around 30 MHz should do it. That way you can make the seams in your black-vinyl gimp-suit (or whatever it is) the same way the pros do.  The following article gives an overview of how this is done:

http://www.devicelink.com/mddi/archive/99/12/003.html

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frollard
frollard

Answer 10 years ago

LOL, you get best answer just for that :D

I was also contemplating just plain-ol' heat sealing.

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buffaloman
buffaloman

9 years ago

I build yurts for a living and use pvc impregnated fabric. We use HH-66 vinyl cement to bond the fabrics. Your description matches what I use very closely. I purchase from Rochford supply. comes in pints quarts and gallons. Hope I helped even if it was a bit (6months) late.

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frollard
frollard

Answer 9 years ago

Still looking for good products! I'll have to look that one up! Thanks! The stuff I have is technically pond liner, but I'm sure its PVC, solid core no fabric -- should work just fine :D

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RavingMadStudios
RavingMadStudios

10 years ago

My imagination is running in several directions at once over what kind of borderline NSFW Instructable might involve black PVC and solvent-based adhesive. This promises to be very interesting.

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frollard
frollard

Answer 10 years ago

The intentional not-very-freudian slip.  I was fishing for a comment on that :D

I figure for the sake of the site I have to leave it to 'how to glue pvc seams"   ;)
Kink doesn't go over well with 100% of the crowd, and it's a flame war waiting to happen.

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RavingMadStudios
RavingMadStudios

Answer 10 years ago

You could skirt the issue a bit by presenting it as costuming. Seems like Kate Beckinsale has a very nice PVC catsuit in the Underworld movies....

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frollard
frollard

Answer 10 years ago

...pretty sure that's latex, but I've been known to be wrong.

I don't think I have the patterning/skillset to make a catsuit...think more simple + restrictive. :D

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RavingMadStudios
RavingMadStudios

Answer 10 years ago

Really? Looks awfully shiny to be latex, but yeah, I could be wrong too. I used to work in a shop that sold similar items, and all the really shiny stuff was PVC. That was a long time ago, though. I suppose latex technology has improved a bit since then.
I was just throwing Underworld out as an example anyway. I just meant that whatever it is you are making, someone in a movie or anime has probably worn something like it as a costume. It's all about the spin. It would be a shame to make something really cool/well-constructed and only be able to present the seam-gluing technique. As a kink item, you may run into objections, but you can get away with murder if it's a cosplay item, too.

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frollard
frollard

Answer 10 years ago

lol - may have to extend the corset instructable then :D

You're right about most pvc being extremely shiny - this stuff I have is actually somewhere between dull and semi-gloss; still has a sheen to it, but no reflections.

With polish either product will gleam like a mirror.

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lemonie
lemonie

10 years ago

It's some kind of synthetic polymer (plastic) dissolved in MEK. You might think of dissolving plastic in solvent, but it's reasonable to assume Henkel are charging a lot because it's a "special" and maybe "secret" plastic?

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frollard
frollard

Answer 10 years ago

Brilliant idea to look up the msds :D...

Now...finding an 'organic polymer solvent blend'...

Thanks!


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lemonie
lemonie

Answer 10 years ago

I think tyre-puncture-repair glue is latex in solvent, so I'd have a guess that PVC in ketone might do it. But PVC requires a lot of plasticiser to be flexible, so maybe it isn't...

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