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I'm Interviewing tea partiers on Tax day. i need help finding sources? Answered

My friend and i are going to a tea party convention to ask these people why they are protesting tax.
i need unbiased information on all of this, where can i find it?
if it helps I'm independent though i lean more towards the left

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Jack A Lopez
Jack A Lopez

9 years ago

So let me get this straight:  You are planning to seek out and annoy those in the Former US most irked by Federal Income Taxes, on the one day of the year when this open wound is at its most raw and irksome to them.

Is that the plan?

When you say you "lean more towards the left", I'm guessing that means you're one of these people who thinks armed robbery is moral... provided it's a government official who is doing it.

Would you consider the Former US Constitution to be source of "unbiased information" regarding the legality of income taxes?

Seriously though, Red, maybe you and your friend should stay home on the 15th.  If you do decide to venture out, be cautious in what you do or say, because there is undoubtedly going to be some real anger out there.

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redsuit09
redsuit09

Answer 9 years ago

hmm, let's see. income tax. a progressive tax that says if you don't make money, you don't owe money. seems fair to me

where did these tea partiers protest? the park
what did a majority of the picket signs say? no tax
how can they protest no tax on a PUBLIC park that's fully paid by TAX and donations.

but you won't call it donations, they're handouts.

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Jack A Lopez
Jack A Lopez

Answer 9 years ago



I've got a finely tuned  hypocrisy meter, and I ran it over the fact that a  tax-protest was occurring in a public park.  The needle moved a little bit, but that was on its lowest, most sensitive, setting.  This instrument has seen much, much stronger, hypocrisy signals, a few which I'll mention later.

I don't know if you got a chance to interview any tax-protesters, but if you did, you might find some insight into why they're unhappy.  

I mean any form of collective bargaining is going to be contentious. By collective bargaining I mean an agreement where some number of people all make a small contribution, in order to accomplish something big, that all these people want.  It doesn't even have to be a large group of people, or even a large thing that they're buying.  

It could be a group of friends, chipping in collectively, to buy a pizza.

There's going to be disagreement over what kind of toppings to get, over who is eating more than his or her fair share of the pizza.  There'll be disagreement over what to do with the change from the transaction. Do you divide it back up into change for every contributor? Or do you give that as tip to the delivery guy?

Anyway the situation with income tax in the Former United States is much like this example of buying a pizza, except that the restaurant that used to make the pizza has been taken over by the mafia, and now instead of buying flour, cheese, and tomato sauce, now they use your money to murder and torture people in secret prisons around the world, and also to spy on you and tap your phone, and if there are any funds left over they just give those to their friends in the banking business.  The worst part is nobody, except some of the wealthy and well-connected, has seen a slice of pizza in years.

And some people are starting to sort of scratch their heads and think that maybe this isn't such a good deal.

Back to the subject of hypocrisy. There is sort of a legend of the Former US as being a land of freedom and opportunity, a place where anyone, willing to work and persevere, can achieve, whatever he or she wants to achieve. Maybe at some time in the past, this legend was actually was actually true. However, today, it seems strange to me that this so called, "land of the free", is kidnapping people and detaining them indefinitely, and torturing them, in secret prisons.  

In addition to the secret prisoners, or people merely being held for reasons that are secret, the Former US has ordinary prisoners too, large numbers of them, more people in prison per capita than any other nation on Earth.  
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/downloads/world-prison-pop-seventh.pdf

I'm not sure how all those people came to be incarcerated in the "land of the free".  I mean why would a person  turn to crime when there all these other myriad "opportunities" to work, and pay income taxes, and social security, buy insurance that its a crime not to buy, and send their children to be indoctrinated in schools that it's a crime not to attend?

For other examples of hypocrisy, just take a close look at what sort of behaviors are considered wrong, immoral, criminal, if committed by ordinary people, but not considered wrong, immoral,  provided the perpetrator is someone with a uniform, or an official title.

Lying is a good example.  There is a federal statute, 18 USC Section 1001, which makes it a crime to tell lies to agents of the Former US government, e.g. the FBI, even if one is not "under oath" during the questioning.
http://library.findlaw.com/2004/May/11/147945.html
This is essentially what they put Martha Stewart in prison for, not because she (allegedly) traded some stock based on inside information, but simply because she made some statements to the FBI, which they ascertained to be untrue.

But when it comes to government officials themselves telling lies... well that's a completely different story.  The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are based on lies, but no one has gone to prison for telling these whoppers,  and I don't think anyone ever will.

Surveillance is another activity that's "bad" when ordinary people do it, but "good" when the cops, or other government employees, do it.  For example the NSA can eavesdrop, record and analyze, millions of phone calls and emails simultaneously.  But if ordinary Joe turns points a camera at the local police.. oh boy! Watch out!

Of course there are still people that love the Former U.S., and think it's the free-est, best-est, happiest place on Earth, but I think those people are living in denial, and the reality of life in the Former US is something else completely.

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steveastrouk
steveastrouk

Answer 9 years ago

15th April is Tax Freedom day for you guys ? Its the 14th May for us. The public sector now represents 52% of GDP.

Steve

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Jack A Lopez
Jack A Lopez

Answer 9 years ago

Here in the Former US, April 15 is "Tax Day".  It is the deadline upon which tax paperwork for income committed during the previous calendar year must be submitted unto the dreaded IRS.  For example, on April 15, 2010, the so-called "2009 tax return"  is due. This document includes all income committed by an individual, family, or business, during the dates Jan 1, 2009 to Dec 31, 2009.

The "Tax Freedom Day"  for the Former US is a mathematical result, based on a fictional average tax payer who pays her tax obligation from her income during the first N days of the calendar year, and afterward, on days [N+1, 365], she is "free" to spend her income on other things, like the electric bill, or visits to the dentist, lottery tickets, cat food, crack cocaine, or whatever.  For example if Ms. Taxpayer's government mandated tax obligation is 25% of her income, then starting from zero on midnight Jan 1, she'll reach this sum, 0.25*365 = 91.25 days later, at exactly 3:00 am, on day 92.  Day 92 of a non-leap-year corresponds to April 2 (31+28+31+2 =92). I'm not sure if the "Tax Freedom Day" is on this day, or if it's +1,  on the day after, the first day completely free of tax burden, but you get the idea.  In any case, there is a one-to-one mapping from a tax rate (a number between 0 and 100%) and a calendar day(1 to 365).

According to the Wikipedia article on "Tax Freedom Day"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day
the TFD for the FUS is actually April 9 (26.9%) and TFD for the FUK is May 14(36.7%), as you pointed out.

Anyway, there you go.  Tax Day, Tax Freedom Day, these are not the same thing, not the same day.  Even if they both happen to occur in April.

Hope this clears up any confusion.



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Jack A Lopez
Jack A Lopez

Answer 9 years ago

Oh crap!  I meant 6:00 am.  6:00 am on April 2nd.

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onrust
onrust

Answer 9 years ago

I'd say you need a video person for the interview and one to hide in the bushes! 

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framistan
framistan

9 years ago

Your question "why we are protesting tax" indicates you already know what we protest.  You are wrong.  Here is what is going on in a nutshell.  The USA has been drifting towards socialism for many years.  But our country was founded as a republic, which advocates SMALL government, no free handouts. That is what made the USA so rich.  Socialism grew slowly so slowly, that americans knew SOMETHING was going wrong... but couldn't quite figure out WHAT.  Then along comes OBAMA promising "change" .  But he never said WHAT KIND of change.  Obama is moving VERY FAST towards big government... higher taxes... handouts for the "poor"... etc etc. This has WOKEN US UP to what is WRONG... we are infected with socialism, and progressives and liberals.  Few people in America really want that except SOME of the people getting the free handouts (healthcare, education, housing, etc).  Most people realize SOMEBODY has to pay for it and it is not FAIR to get free handouts.  SO THEREFORE.... the tea partiers are protesting BIG GOVERNMENT and BIG TAXES and We dont want to be dependant on government for our food, jobs, education, housing, etc etc.  We want to be INDEPENDANT.  That is what the founding fathers (washington, jefferson, etc) built 200 years ago.  We want to return to the values and ideas of SMALL GOVERNMENT, low taxes and FREEDOM FROM DEPENDANCE on big government.  We DO WANT TO PAY TAXES.... just not HALF OUR PAYCHECK!!! and then government gives our money away to lazy BUMS who want free handouts so they dont have to WORK!!! The government is also spending money WILDLY like there is NO LIMIT to the money they can spend.  They spend WAY MORE money than they take in as taxes!!! This is going to bankrupt the nation... just as it would bankrupt YOU if you spent more money than is coming on your paycheck. So, ... to say we just protest taxes is an oversimplification.   Hope that explains it.

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redsuit09
redsuit09

Answer 9 years ago

the average tax for middleclass is currently the lowest it has been in over 50 years. a republic means nothing about "handouts." a republic is where the people of a country or society have a say in who governs them.

if you don't like pres. Obama then don't vote for him.

if they take more in tax then where is the money going? we mustn't be in debt then. we have a import surplus yes, but we are a developed nation. be glad you have the equipment to post that reply and stop being selfish