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NAR strangeness NOW WITH PICTURES Answered

So I was testing my NAR and my TR18 next to each other and noticed that the NAR doesn't really like finned  rods.  In some cases it actually shot normal red rods further than finned ones; anyone else noticed anything like this?

I'm sure it's not a problem with the fins; my TR18 shot them about twice as far with the same bands as the NAR.  I think it may be because you have to place the fins further forward on the rod because of the bullet lock.

On an unrelated note, I don't really make all that much myself, I modify other peoples' things, so if you want me to give any weapons a new better looking and more comfortable body (if you say a WORD about that DJ...), just say and I'll see what I can do.  I'll only accept your own designs, no volunteering others' work.  If you want me to do someone else's design, send them a PM and get them to speak to me directly.  And no TRs.

I would upload some pictures of my previous work, but my library on the site has been mysteriously emptied, and I can't find them in my picture folders.  I still have a mod of SK's shotbow built, so I'll post a picture of that as an edit later if there's interest.

EDIT:  Pictures of my shotbow, two very old Striker mods (IaC's Striker), an old one of my TR18 (I made it much better than it is shown here, but this is the only picture I could find), and something I think I modded from IaC's assault pistol (this one was one of my first attempts at a mod and isn' my best work).

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DJ Radio
DJ Radio

11 years ago

The shotbow is tight.

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An Villain
An Villain

Reply 9 years ago

I am in agreement.

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

Thanks, because the barrel setup is slightly different, you can select single fire or 'double fire' so you have a choice of emptying the mags together or one at a time.

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DJ Radio
DJ Radio

Reply 11 years ago

You're gonna have to post some internal pics, I can't see how this is selective fire.

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

Because the firing pins are pushed really low in the barrel with a tan connector, not unlike how some oodammo pistols ensure the pin only hits the top round, you can 'unclip' the top of the oodammo off the top grey rod rail on the bow, but keep it 'clipped' onto the bottom one.  You can actually see this if you look closely at the left hand side bow arm in the first picture.  This means the back of the white rod if the oodammo is so high up in the barrel, and the pin is so low, that the two don't actually hit each other with the weapon is fired.

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Mace!
Mace!

10 years ago

Nice socks.

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Dirtyboyy
Dirtyboyy

11 years ago

pic 5 is awsome ! 

could you send some pics of it ?

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

I don't have any other pictures, but the only bits of mechanism that you can't see are the trigger mechanism pieces from the Striker.  Everythiong else is as it is in the picture, so it shouldn't be too hard to build.

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Mepain
Mepain

11 years ago

Problem #1: ...my TR18 shot [finned rods] about twice as far with the same bands as the NAR.

Generally speaking, a NAR's range will be equivalent to about any other powerful gun like a TR## as long as both have the same [amount of] bands. In my experience, the NAR has gotten superior ranges with the same bands, but perhaps my TR18 is just obsolete.
The innovation of the NAR mechanism is not 'more range with equal power'. The innovation is simply the idea that the pin will never break, so there is potential for more power. A TR## is incapable of utilizing any more than 7 bands; the NAR can probably handle more than 15.

Problem #2: I have a connector barrel NAR...

With more power, a gun must be more structurally stable. Since all the remaining force of the pin will be projected into the front of the gun, the front must be more solid than a rock. Square barrel constructions are weaker than those of  circular barrels, and thus cannot hold as much power.

Problem #3: ...you have to place the fins further forward on the rod because of the bullet lock.

Finned rods will fly straighter and farther when the fins are toward the back of the rod. In order to achieve this, the barrel must be short (2-3 units).

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

Problem 1:  I know this, but I was testing for the hell of it.

Problem 2:  I like it that way, and I don't really need it to fire farther than mine can already.

Problem 3:  Yes, it is annoying but true.


Thanks for the comment.

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ooda
ooda

Reply 11 years ago

Problem 2 is 100% of your problem. You built the wrong gun, and you were expecting it to get the same ranges as a NAR.

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

I know, I've rebuilt my original NAR now.

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ooda
ooda

Reply 11 years ago

<3

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DJ Radio
DJ Radio

Reply 11 years ago

Nice physics explanation.

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DJ Radio
DJ Radio

11 years ago

Actually I don't have a problem with that, the NAR shoots finned rods twice as far as normal red rods.  For me, normal red rods just stop all of a sudden in midair at around the 80 foot mark and then go up or down or wherever then drop.

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

I have a connector barrel NAR with Zak's bullet lock setup, which requires the back inch and a half on the rod has to be in the weapon, so the fins are too far forward to be useful.

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Raikou-san
Raikou-san

Reply 11 years ago

That's probably why your NAR doesn't like finned rods.

Also, pic of the shotbow please?

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

I know, but it looks much better.

I'll post it on this topic.

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Raikou-san
Raikou-san

Reply 11 years ago

I agree.

Nice pics. By the way, I read the description that you have made some changes to your TR? May I have a picture?

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

I'm afraid it has gone.  I'm, gutted I Iost the pictures.  It looked great.

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DJ Radio
DJ Radio

Reply 11 years ago

I used the normal tube barrel.

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TheDunkis
TheDunkis

11 years ago

Meh I'll give it a shot. Wanna try modding the BAW up a bit? It's basic thanks to my amount of pieces so I'd like to see what it could be turned into. knex lover posted it.

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

I was literally Just about to break it up to rebuild the Mezak.  Lucky I checked here before heading over to KI...

I'll give it a go, there's a lot that can be done with it because it's so basic.

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silentassasin21
silentassasin21

11 years ago

Yes finally someone with the same exact problems as me! Not to say that this is a good thing.... but i figured out that if you put the fins half way on a red and put 6-10 bands on it it goes further than a tr.

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

I tried putting fins on halfway, and it just spun out straight away :S

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Dirtyboyy
Dirtyboyy

11 years ago

o yea ... sorry .. i think i need glasses XD

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bigdylan91
bigdylan91

11 years ago

what gun is in the last picture? it looks like you made that gun on your own.

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

I found it in my library and I think it was based off IaC's assault pistol, or maybe the spiff.

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bigdylan91
bigdylan91

Reply 11 years ago

looks kinda cool

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Dirtyboyy
Dirtyboyy

11 years ago

that bow is from s0lekill3r XD bud it looks great  !

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

Why not try reading?

'I still have a mod of SK's shotbow'

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Dirtyboyy
Dirtyboyy

11 years ago

knex guy , i love you =)

i am just bizzy with a new NAR , i shoot it with 2 rubberband s ( i used smal , and i got it to 40 feet ... unbelievible! if it's gonna be a succes , you gonna get the first pictures off me !

and great guns my friend !

5* and fav

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Dirtyboyy
Dirtyboyy

11 years ago

yes just the one you need for it ..
bud i shoot without a rod sometimes for show .. and if you do that than it breaks.. i have fixed the problem i think .. i use a small bleu ring thing .. on the ram .. now it don't break .. yes a small thing on the ball-joint thing .. bud it don't break with ammo ... bud till i don't no how to fix the whole problem ..

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

'Dry firing' often breaks things, I wouldn't do it if you can help it at all.

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Dirtyboyy
Dirtyboyy

11 years ago

my ball joint breaks when i shoot .. can someone help me please ??
i put 3 times a balljoint in het bud i always break by every shot , and i use just 3 bands 0.0 .. can someone help me ?? 

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

You are using a socket joint, right?

I have no idea otherwise, no one else has had this problem to my knowledge.

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sprout_less
sprout_less

Reply 11 years ago

 Well I had a cut end of a rod because I had it so I put it in the ball socket and that prevents it from breaking but what you can also do is not dry fire which will prevent it from breaking because the ram rod is not hitting the ball socket at an angle. If you have any more questions I would be glad to help

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sprout_less
sprout_less

11 years ago

 Fins work extremely well with my nar. And could i have a picture of the shotbow?

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knexguy
knexguy

Reply 11 years ago

OK, I'll post one on this topic, probably tomorrow now though.

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Vynash
Vynash

11 years ago

At a angle I shot non-finned red rod out at about 100 feet, but with fins I got it to about 250-270! So mine liked fins (Must re-make it!)