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Not a fan of Hilary for President? Give me a hand! Answered

Are any of you guys against Hilary for president, and interested in helping me with a little project? If so, please leave a comment.

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

13 years ago

Well I am Pro Hillary and I will vote for her or Barak. My wife put it best when she said "If Hillary was a Man then everyone would love her. She is smart, assertive, has experience, and qualifications. People don't like these traits in women but that is what they like to see in men". It's a sexual bias, I feel people need to stop basing there choice on the reproductive system of the individual. Pretend your blind, and listen to what they have to say and how they handle themselves. So you don't like the Bill Clinton and you are going to hold this against her? Bill Clinton fooled around on Hillary, it's their business and their problem, not yours. Do you want someone coming into your home and telling you how to live? Oh Bill Clinton lied under oath, PLEASE! He did that to keep from hurting his wife any further.Ii suppose people say G W Bush doesn't lie. His whole damn time in office is a lie. Everything about him and his Republican cronies are a lie. So Bill lied, but no one died. Bush can't say the same, he is a straight up gangster. I use to be a Republican then I saw the light. I am now an Independent that leans toward the Dems (center right). Dems are not perfect hell no. But to not like someone because someone else told you something negative is still not making your own choice. Find out the facts at a respected unbiased website. And filter filter filter! Bill Clinton is the greatest President we have had since JFK. Come on really, who else can get a hummer in the white house, lie about it to the world, get caught, and still have an 80 percent approval rating. That is a Great President. Other countries welcome him and almost no country wants a visit from Bush.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

>>> but that is what they like to see in men >>> Actually, smart women are quite a turn on. It is the power hungry that are a turn off. ;-) and it is just as bad when the trait turns up in men too.

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

Reply 13 years ago

I agree with everything you have just said. Great point. i would love to see an honest and true person make it as Pres.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

Problem is, they would be the last one's to "want" the job *sigh*

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

Reply 13 years ago

Yep. I told my wife that if I won one of those $300 mil lottos I would be running. for Pres. She said she would leave me if I did. LoL If i was Pres I would put a serious hurting on all those crooks, jail time would be the rule. and I would start with W

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

Um, so if only those that seek office of this sort are power hungry and should not be in office anyway.......that leaves us very little to vote for ;-)

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

Reply 13 years ago

Exactly. I think this why Barak O is a good candidate he seems real and I don't get the used car salesman feeling from him. I have not seen anyone that can give a speech as moving as him since Regan, and hew was an actor that knew how to create emotion in his speeches. It has been that way for a while and Congress should have term limits. Some of these people have been in office for over 30 years. Come on already, if the Pres can only serve 2 terms then why is Congress allowed to serve so long and Chief Justices as well? Thats not a balance of power at all that is permanent influnce. We have an ever evolving society that constantly needs new blood and ideas.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

Well, for the sake of the discussion then, since he seeks office, he is automatically included in those that seek power, and thereby eliminates himself from being a "good" candidate...again, according to what we have said up to this point. :-)

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

Reply 13 years ago

Not necessarily, he wasn’t going to run on his own. It was his supporters that prompted him in such a strong way that motivated him to. I don’t think he is a power hungry ego maniac like some of the others, he doesn’t come across that way. Now if he starts flipping on issues that could change. John Edwards is the same way, he said he won’t accept special interest money for his campaign, which is the way it should be as far as I am concerned. The Office of the Pres. or any other gov office shouldn’t be bought with corporation money, that is what happened with Bush and Cheney, they are all about filling their own pockets and their buddies pockets. JFK didn’t accept any pay when he took the job. He didn’t need any more money.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

One second, you agreed with me when I posted:

Um, so if only those that seek office of this sort are power hungry and should not be in office anyway

Here: Exactly.

When it comes to human nature, as diverse as it is, it also has a lot of things in common; and one seeks power in order to have power. This is undeniable. Thus the very ones that seek it are the very ones "not" very good for the office, as it were. :-)

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago

Ugh, I hate when people generalize humans like that. Especially if they can't accept that maybe someone does want to become president just so that they can do the country good.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

Ok, then she should be willing to do so at a greatly reduced salary if that is the case. I don't see any CEO's trying to save an ailing company by taking a 2/3's cut in pay. Why should someone that seeks a position be exempt from being accused of "seeking that 'position' "? :-) It is not so much a generalization as a condition espoused by a particular hunger. We started this country without paying those persons. Now we pay them to "represent us" and they do what they bloody well please anyway.

GH, steps down off his soapbox...sorry, it's the meds.....*lol*

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago

And who says shes not willing to do so? The only reason the presidential salary is so high, is so that it is higher than that of any other military positions. Most companies are only there to make money. I never said that they shouldn't be referred to as seeking a position, just that they shouldn't necessarily be accused of wanting the position for the power.

Oh, and quite early on, we did pay our presidents..we paid them what would be way more than what the president gets now. In 1969 the salary went from 100,000 to 200,000 to adjust for compensation. 200,000 was worth about 930,000 now. Bush earns 400,000.

Besides all that, money really isn't factor for candidates, most of them have plenty of cash to live off, and would even make more money working for some private company. The reason they don't turn down the salary is because, hey, it's money. An extra $400,000 a year wouldn't make a difference to the country, and not accepting it wouldn't do the president any good.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

I never said that they shouldn't be referred to as seeking a position, just that they shouldn't necessarily be accused of wanting the position for the power.

So, they seek a position of power to not be in a position of power? Now I know why poly-tick-ians are as they are. *lol*

Besides all that, money really isn't factor for candidates, most of them have plenty of cash to live off

And it would probably make ole Abe roll over in his grave too. *sigh*

I hope you don't think I am seriously "arguing" with you (I may be arguing, but I am not being very serious ;-) ).

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago


So, they seek a position of power to not be in a position of power? Now I know why poly-tick-ians are as they are. *lol*

Most of them are just power hungry...they're the one's who we don't vote for. A good president will be seeking a position of power so that he can do good, not just so that he can be in a position of power.


I hope you don't think I am seriously "arguing" with you (I may be arguing, but I am not being very serious ;-) ).

Of course. Just your everyday good natured political debate =]

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

'Most of them are just power hungry...they're the one's who we don't vote for. A good president will be seeking a position of power so that he can do good'

"We want you (Uncle Sam pictured pointing at you) to join the Army, visit new and exotic places, meet new and interesting people, and kill them."

Ah, I thought you might be "debating" whereas I am just doing a lot of good natured teasing and with a wee bit o exaggeration here and there. ;-) I honestly do not normally discuss politics unless I am being satirical, or when in the mood for a good natured joist, but never seriously...one can hardly take them seriously anymore *sigh*

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago

There was this one kid at school last year who liked to discuss politics (or anything else) with me...and I would just take a ridiculously radical stance on the topic, and go with it. I had a lot of fun. For instance, I would be a HUGE bush fan and toy of the media, interpreting anything he did as an act of god, and using quotes from the white house/fox news as proof. Oh, and you can't forget to call fox "fair and balanced" whenever possible.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

I even stay away from "office" politics, if they don't feel I am worth what I am being paid, then they can do my job...no sucking up etc. What you see is what you get, politics is a (so called) justifiable way to lie (even if it is only to one's own self), in my humble opinion. Give me a machine any day to figure out. As complex as a computer is, it never lies to you for the purpose of getting anything over on you etc.

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

Reply 13 years ago

Yeah look at ENRON or any of these big companies I would love to see these CEO's take a paycut. I would love to see th Congress forgo pay and payraises. Dang I dropped my meds,can someone get those for me, yeah the big bottle, thanks.:)

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

I know, let's drop the "presidential welfare" (being paid forever, or until he dies, whichever comes first), and give them jobs in soup kitchens! Better yet, give them those jobs before they become president: make it a requirement so they understand a little bit about the "world" and not just about the "rich world".

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago

Not a bad idea at all...seriously...

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago

...way to assume you know why I don't like her.

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

Reply 13 years ago

I don't assume anything. Just say it, you are entitled to your opinion. No harm no foul.

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago

You made a comment to me, trying to nullify the reasons that "people" have against her.

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

Reply 13 years ago

And.....What is your point?

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Goodhart
Goodhart

13 years ago

I like what Will Rogers said many a moon ago, and it still holds pretty true: "we ain't had a president since Lincoln"... ;-)

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LasVegas
LasVegas

Reply 13 years ago

I always found it interesting that Nevada was made a state purely to acquire enough electoral college votes to reelect Lincoln. Nevada didn't even legally qualify to be a state by having enough population.

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Ferrite
Ferrite

Reply 13 years ago

Thats interesting.

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Ferrite
Ferrite

13 years ago

I am defiantly against Clinton, If she is elected president for two terms, we will have had a president that is either a Clinton or a Bush for 28 years!

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Sedgewick17
Sedgewick17

13 years ago

I would never vote for HITLERY nor would I any other radical liberals. There are against everything I stand for, and in my opinion they are against America and everything that are Founding Fathers believed in.

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LasVegas
LasVegas

13 years ago

I find it fascinating that so many are committed to voting Hillery into office. She has to be the first Pro-Abortion candidate to achieve such support. If you check her record as Senator, just about the only votes that she has ever made were support for abortion issues or against partial birth abortion restrictions.

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago

Exactly! And while I am pro abortion, I don't want someone who's main goal in office is to keep it legal.

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LasVegas
LasVegas

Reply 13 years ago

I'm also pro-abortion. In my opinion, it's not the legality of it... As far as I can see, it's a protected by the constitution and not an issue. But I am fully against 3rd trimester and partial-birth abortions. There is no reason one should wait so long as to require these.

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago

While I still think that 3rd trimester abortions should be legal (who's place is it to decide when they're too alive to have it done?) I agree that they shouldn't be done. A mother only needs maybe two months max to decide whether or not they want to have it once they find out they're pregnant.

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HamO
HamO

13 years ago

One new word.... Hsu

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lemonie
lemonie

13 years ago

Come on now, Fender took down his 'anyone Christians' post, please don't lumber us with politics...

L

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Brennn10
Brennn10

Reply 13 years ago

Haha, yea I agree. I am trying to restrain myself from saying something anti-bush, but I know it will only cause argument. Well quite frankly, it isn't fully Bush's fault(not saying he isn't at fault fully), but the whole government is totally disfunctional. Its a group effort that is not getting done. No party is at blame.

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

Reply 13 years ago

I agree that the gov. is dysfunctional however Both parties are to blame. Become a registered Independent. Parties are basically Mobs like gangsters.

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Brennn10
Brennn10

Reply 13 years ago

Vote for Gravel. He is the most outspoken and speaks his mind. He is so funny!

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

Reply 13 years ago

This world does need more humor. Can you imagine if it was mandatory that all world leaders be put on Prozac? This would be such a happy little planet. LOL

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

That is, of course, if they weren't bipolar.

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John Smith
John Smith

Reply 13 years ago

Its a group effort that is not getting done. No party is at blame.

Well said.

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gotja
gotja

Reply 13 years ago

bush is a great president dickkkk cheny is a horible vp go bush

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Brennn10
Brennn10

Reply 13 years ago

Dick Cheney is corrupt, enough said. He only cares about making money for his businesses, and his company. Nice one L

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago

There's a reason I didn't give any details, I didn't want to start a debate.

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Weissensteinburg
Weissensteinburg

Reply 13 years ago

There's a reason I didn't give any details, I didn't want to start a debate.

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Mr. Rig It
Mr. Rig It

13 years ago

Sorry I could not resist to slam bush, I never can. (This does of course have dual meaning.) Sorry i just had to add it.

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lemonie
lemonie

13 years ago

I only just thought of this: you can be sure Hilary isn't going to embarrass herself by having sexual relations with some intern. L