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Obsolete Skills? Answered

A long list of skills someone thinks are obsolete.
"Building a Heathkit" is on there :-(

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Kiteman
Kiteman

13 years ago

Driving a manual gearbox ("stickshift") is on there!

As far as I know, the US is the only country where proper gearboxes have been replaced by automatics.

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kelseymh
kelseymh

Reply 12 years ago

[Generic followup to all of the "standard shift" comments under Kiteman...&#93]

They haven't all been replaced. The high-end sports cars still have manual transmissions, and you can even buy hybrids with manuals.

My first car (which I had for 17 years!) was a 1988 Ford Festiva with four-speed manual transmission. I learned to drive a stick on real Jeep (my reserve unit had several at the time along with the Chevy's they used before Humvees); that car also had the greatest "cruise control" I've ever seen -- a ratcheted pull-knob which pulled down the accelerator!

My second car is a 2005 Honda Civic hybrid. It is an "automatic" transmission, but one of the new continuously-variable ones. Where the goal is to maximize efficiency, this is a far better option than either a "regular" automatic or a manual transmission. The computer-controlled CVT can dial in (nearly) the exact gear ratio needed to keep the engine at optimal output. It isn't perfect, but pretty darn close.

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skunkbait
skunkbait

Reply 12 years ago

My old ('62) Land Rover had one of the pull-and-lock throttle controls. I think it was for running the PTO off the back (sawmill, etc.), but I used it as cruise control.

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jessyratfink
jessyratfink

Reply 12 years ago

Most likely. Laziness and all that. It's hard to shift and eat McDonald's while talking on your cellphone and having to maneuver around your gigantic body. :D I've always wanted to drive a manual, but I don't know that I'll really get the chance. I only know a couple of people that drive them.

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 12 years ago

Really? We must have better handeye co-ordination, we manage the manual, the burger, the juice, a feg and a phone...

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jessyratfink
jessyratfink

Reply 12 years ago

Definitely better hand-eye coordination, then.

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 12 years ago

Say no more... *wishes I was there, could do the perfect cheeky wink and noise...

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jessyratfink
jessyratfink

Reply 12 years ago

Yay, cheeky! I'm getting a mental picture of Doctor Who right about now.

Yep. Officially obsessed.

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 12 years ago

Which one? I've met the most recent two...

Obsession isn't a good way to live but at least we get to have intervention parties

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jessyratfink
jessyratfink

Reply 12 years ago

Both of them. :D

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 12 years ago

Hehe cool... You know it existed before now though... I did just see david tennant keel over... He was very good as well...

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Big Bwana
Big Bwana

Reply 12 years ago

Ahhh but can you flip ignorant drivers the bird while doing all those things ??

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 12 years ago

I could, lol I once had a driving instructor come flying down between lessons while I had right of way, had to do an emergency stop, while shifting down and beeping the horn I had time to flip the bird...

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 12 years ago

Awww that poor bird. I hope he got himself righted again *chuckle*

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 13 years ago

Ah one thing that would stop me wanting to go to america... Ever tried the smart with the tiptronic, it's awful you're bouncing the revs off the limiter and frantically pulling the little lever and nothings happening, then it jerks, shakes a bit and you're into second... Also the old eldorado a friend had was pretty bad, took about a second for the auto to re-engage and get shifting so you rocked and seesawed for a half mile after...

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 12 years ago

I had a Yugo for a short period, standard (manual) shift, and it was so tight a shift it was very hard to get used to the 1/4 inch difference between going into first or third. It was the only standard I disliked.

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 12 years ago

Hehe, we used to a have a lovely old Volvo, the only bad thing was the shift lever stuck tight the odd time... surprisingly enough you could punch it in and out fine, but with the clutch all the way in you still had to use brute force to shift...

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 12 years ago

oooo, sounds like bad synchronizers :-) yeah, I got familiar with mechanics too a few years ago, but when they started with the computers, I kind of dropped interest :-)

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 12 years ago

Well the lack of oil kept the gears from slipping as much but meant the synchs were in worse state than usual, so the thing really went to bits, however I think that appeared and I gave a guy a tenner for it...

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 12 years ago

I learned on what at one time was referred to as a "standard" (manual shift), and prefer it to this day. However, my wife refuses to even attempt to learn one, so not being able to afford a second car; I had to go automatic. *sigh* I just saw a "How It's Made" episode with how they are put together, and now.....I am doubly sure that I would rather have a manual shift.

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skunkbait
skunkbait

Reply 12 years ago

I tried to teach my young wife, with disastrous results. Then one day when I was sick she took the old MG out and taught herself. She prefers a standard now. My kids both taught themselves when they were about 8.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 12 years ago

anything that takes practice can be daunting to some people.....me, I love to learn new things, while some others are afraid of "breaking them" all too often.

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skunkbait
skunkbait

Reply 12 years ago

OK, I have to confess. My 78 year old grandmother, and my 7 year old son (a few years ago), both knew how to use a computer before I did. I'd bought a couple for the family, but was afraid I'd mess something up. I had some bad TI-99 experiences when I was a kid, and didn't touch a computer again for about 22 years.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 12 years ago

:-) Yeah, I am kind of that way with Hardware. My 8088 ( because things that plugged in were not marked for polarity, and could be plugged in several ways ) died because of string of bad moves on my part trying to "fix" something.

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skunkbait
skunkbait

Reply 12 years ago

Been there, done that. Ask my last "universal" anything.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 12 years ago

It's funny because I don't have a problem fiddling about with non-computer electronics.....like this Digital Voice recorder I got many moons ago from RS for about $10.....and it is worth every cent of 10 cents to be honest....but I think I can improve on it quite a bit.

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KentsOkay
KentsOkay

Reply 12 years ago

I've only ever used automatic, but I really wanna learn stick...

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

Yeah, it make me SICK too. I would MUCH rather drive a standard shift...it is more economical / gas mileage-wise, when they break (which is not often) you get forewarning (not with most automatics though; they just "go" and let you sit). If it were up to me, I would reverse this trend.....but the laziness of the populace dictates thing like this many times *sigh*

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LinuxH4x0r
LinuxH4x0r

Reply 13 years ago

Me too! I want a manual. I hate it when you give it gas on the highway and it DOWNSHIFTS!!! grrrrr!

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 13 years ago

That's smart, ever hear the term 'drop a cog and go' on the motorway if you're cruising in fifth or sixth dropping a gear will allow you to accelerate harder and when you shift back up you'll accelerate harder from being in the power band... In a big diesel you can shift up a gear and let the torque drag you into the next fixed penalty notice just fine though...

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LinuxH4x0r
LinuxH4x0r

Reply 13 years ago

Yeah, but I want to be able to control when it drops. I don't want it to drop just so I can go 3 mph faster. I want a diesel!

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 13 years ago

Yeah, the only two petrols I've driven where an N-spec impreza (the rally car) and the smart car, which is vile, I like the torque of diesels, that and I learned to drive a forklift at 14 and a van just before 15... I got annoyed at the merc, you had to have it on the boil constantly or you would get bogged down in the gears, handling was immense, like a go kart that leans and fifteen feet long...

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LinuxH4x0r
LinuxH4x0r

Reply 13 years ago

The only ones I've driven: Ford focus (for driver's ed classes) Nissan sentra (same reason) Ford F-150 5.4L Dodge Ram 2500 van 5.9 Besides drivers ed, I haven't driven anything (except a moped, 49cc) under 5.4 L!

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 13 years ago

The 4.2 audi diesel V8 is nuts... Good fun, umm thing with the biggest displacement has to be either a crane truck or possibly one of the shunt trucks for container yards, think of a truck that comes ready to drag race, reinforced bumper parts and enough torque to move a mountain... Bobcat diggers are good the skid steer ones, you can pull wheelies in them... hehe, never driven a moped but have driven an old honda MTX 125 two stroke, it was mental, speedbumps 60mph no problem.

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LinuxH4x0r
LinuxH4x0r

Reply 12 years ago

I used to have a bobcat!

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 12 years ago

They're great, reverse reverse, forward, hit the rabbit button, up in to a wheelie...

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LinuxH4x0r
LinuxH4x0r

Reply 12 years ago

I never got to use mine

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 12 years ago

Aww, it's a shame, they're alot of fun...

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LinuxH4x0r
LinuxH4x0r

Reply 12 years ago

I know! My dad bought it when I was 8(?) and said I could drive it when I was 14. When I was 14 he changed it to 15, then to 16. I'm 16, and now he still didn't let me. A few months ago he sold it. WTF! He sold it when he needs it most (we are building our house this summer) Son on a beach! (or something like that...you know what I meant)

Life sucks! - (stick your **** in and get a bl*wj*b! lol!)

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killerjackalope
killerjackalope

Reply 12 years ago

Linux I know how ya feel, ti's been a long old week, the proper phrase should be, Life sucks, you might as well get wasted and do some nasty stuff while you can...

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PKM
PKM

Reply 13 years ago

If your vehicle has auto-kickdown, I suggest experiment to find how slowly you have to push the pedal before it doesn't trigger the kickdown. If you can push it to the floor very slowly and it still kicks down, maybe get it looked at- IIRC it should only do that if you stamp on it.

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LinuxH4x0r
LinuxH4x0r

Reply 12 years ago

It has to be very slowly. I'd rather have a manual

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tech-king
tech-king

Reply 13 years ago

its not laziness. the dummy in front of you can barely get his brain in gear when the light turns green, much less his car and brain.

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CameronSS
CameronSS

Reply 13 years ago

When I turn sixteen in another month and a half, the plan is for me to take the driver's test in my dad's truck-not only a stick shift, but also electric. We figure that the examiner will be too amazed at my manual-shifting awesomeness and the blinky gauges overhead to notice any errors I make.

I also plan to solo in a Cessna 150 before I get my license, just to say I did-but that's another story. No stick-shift there.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

What, did they remove the control stick in small planes now ? LOL I know, not the same thing

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CameronSS
CameronSS

Reply 13 years ago

Well, this one has a control stick...That's me in the cockpit, looking like a dork-I don't usually wear the hat.

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xACIDITYx
xACIDITYx

Reply 13 years ago

How would one get a pilot's license? And where would one get a plane to fly?

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Reply 13 years ago

. Ask at your local airport. If they don't offer classes, they should know who does.

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xACIDITYx
xACIDITYx

Reply 13 years ago

How old do you have to be and, generally, would it cost a large sum of money?

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Reply 12 years ago

. According to this page, 17yo in the US. But I think you can get a "learner's permit" at any age. Check the FAA website to get the info from the horse's mouth.
. Not sure about the cost, but it ain't cheap. Kiteman's $120/hr is probably close enough to tell if you can afford it. Call your local airport and ask. You can have a lot of fun in an hour or two.