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Psychic Abilities: Mumbo Jumbo or Something Else? Scientific Discussion Only Please! Answered

Right first thing: any statements made by me in this forum topic are to my knowledge completly true and un-exagerated.
Does anyone here believe that it is possible for someone to be psychic, or have "preminitions of the future"?
I for one believe it is entirely possible, or more correctly is true.
For I more or less have had preminitions of the future. Do't believe me? I will now describe one of the acourences and attempt to point out how it wasn't entirely a dream
Right, I'm in 4-H and one of the competions we have is called Food Show. All it is is that you have an interview with the judges and are asked questions about food and nutrition and the food item you have made.
Anyways, about a month prior to one of these Food Shows, I woke up after having a dream about it. Since I already had had helpful preminitions before, I quickley jotted down everthing. Any ways I dreamed about my interview and the judges, I dreamed that I walked down a hall, to a room I've never seen in my life, yet was exactly how it looked when I saw it for real. I then proceded with my interview, who I could distinctly see, yet I'd never met or seen them before. I had my interview (boring details of my questions and answers left out), and I walked back out. I woke up at that moment, for I had sleep-walked into my doorframe (this is the only preminision that I woke up from, all the others I would only fully remember until briefly before the event was ging to happen), and I quickley jotted down the details. So ayway fast forward to the day of the contest, I see for the first time one of the judges, who I had never seen before yet she was the exact same one from the dream. Anyways a little later I found myself heading down the same hall to the same never-before-seen-yet-recognised room and the same judges one who I never had seen yet recognised, and the one I had seen previously. We proceded with the interview, that went exactly as I dreamed, I even cracked a joke that I woud never have done if I hadn't "foretold" it's success. I wound up winning, so I must have done a good job. Has anyone esle had similar experiences? Are there any scientific explanations? Your input is greatly desired.
I AM NOT MAKING THIS STUFF UP

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black hole
black hole

8 years ago

Remote viewing/psychic abilities are 100 percent real. I have a small level of natural skill. I can often predict which side will land up in a coin flip. In my case, I believe it to be partly genetic. My mom, when told that so-and-so is going to have a baby, can almost always tell if it'll be a boy or a girl. If you want to improve your abilities, check out the free 'ESP Trainer' app, developed by Russell Targ, an expert remote viewer. It's been quite helpful.

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crapflinger
crapflinger

Reply 8 years ago

would you say that you get your coin flip predictions correct, on average, 50% of the time?

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black hole
black hole

Reply 8 years ago

No, it's fairly random, sometimes I'm completely wrong, but I'm trying to improve.

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crapflinger
crapflinger

Reply 8 years ago

completely wrong as in you guess "sevens!" instead of heads/tails?

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black hole
black hole

Reply 8 years ago

Okay, maybe the coin toss wasn't the best example. What I'm trying to say is, I sometimes know which side will come up. It's not just guessing.

On a side note, read some books by Russell Targ. He explains this much better than I do.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 8 years ago

I can predict, with a 90% accuracy which side a coin will come up, but not because I have ANY psychic ability. I am just observant. Some people will pick up on this "pattern" without realizing what they are seeing. I know exactly what I am seeing.

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crapflinger
crapflinger

Reply 8 years ago

i sometimes "know" which side will come up too....it's called guessing. it's how everyone "knows" which side will come up....sometimes. unless you can remove the "sometimes" bit, then you are, in fact, guessing not knowing.

you're suffering from something really common, it's called confirmation bias. youv'e decided that you can predict a coin flip, and you're shaping your evidence to support that conclusion. instead of looking at the evidence to arrive at a conclusion.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 8 years ago

If it's "fairly random", then you are predicting nothing, just guessing from a limited number of options.

You must get a friend to test you: they toss a coin a thousand times. Each time, you predict the result while the coin is in the air.

If you get it right significantly more than 500 times out of the 1000, then it's testing properly, starting at 10,000 tosses of the coin.

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black hole
black hole

Reply 8 years ago

No, what I meant is that the regularity of my correct predictions is random. Sometimes I get 10 in a row right, and other times I don't get one right.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 8 years ago

Ten in a row out of how many? Ten? A hundred? A thousand?

Ten right in a row is perfectly possible with random guesses. Plus, in random guessing, "none at all" is just as likely "all correct".

Test it properly, or you've got nothing.

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crapflinger
crapflinger

Reply 8 years ago

so basically, you have just stated EXACTLY the same probability anyone has at predicting a coin toss. I.E, you either get it right, or you don't

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black hole
black hole

Reply 8 years ago

No, most people won't get it right several times in a row.

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crapflinger
crapflinger

Reply 8 years ago

no, most people will get it right several times in a row....or not....that's called probabilities. on each and every coin flip you have EXACTLY 50% chance of getting it right. you have EXACTLY the same chance the next coin flip. there are ANY NUMBER of factors thatt effect how the coin will flip. it's how probabilities work man. it's like....math!

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563g
563g

9 years ago

I have no dout that telekinesis is real I'm actually practicing it but befor you attempt this beware that you powers come from heaven or hell think about it first and be carfull

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Goodhart
Goodhart

13 years ago

How many are able to perform telekinesis in the forum ? Raise my hand ! LOL

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zachninme
zachninme

Reply 13 years ago

ROFL I thought you were saying that YOU could, then I re-read it a few times :P

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

I have a few cardboard trophies I won for being Punking and daubed Super-double entendre man LOL

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its a lion
its a lion

Reply 13 years ago

i read that yesterday and didnt understand it. now it makes sense and im mad at myself for not seeing it sooner.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

Don't beat yourself up over it, it was really subtle and vague ;-)

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Kiteman
Kiteman

13 years ago

Starting point to have your ability recognised:

When you have a dream that you recognise as precogniscent, write it down in as much detail as possible as soon as you wake. Focus on indicators to time, date and location. Date and sign the document, then lodge it with a dis-interested third party (such as a lawyer).

Come the pre-cog event occuring, write it down again, again in as much detail as possible, without referring to the original dream-notes. If possible, get a reliable co-witness to independently write their own account of the event.

Take both accounts to the lawyer, and, in his presence, compare the three. If there are any commonalities that cannot be accounted for by mere coincidence or foreknowledge, and they happen regularly, then you can contact either the CIA or James Randi.

For the record, though, it's all woowoo.

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zachninme
zachninme

Reply 13 years ago

I heard how the James Randi thing, the Million bucks, is actually a sucky deal. Its mostly (all but $50,000 or $5,000, cant recall) were in bonds, and its paid out over time, and all this other sucky stuff that you had to go through. CIA on the other hand, would be better.

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lemonie
lemonie

Reply 13 years ago

The prize is still on offer, but do check this applicant!

L

"9. At the formal test, in advance, an independent person will be placed in charge of a personal check from James Randi for US$10,000. In the event that the claimant is successful under the agreed-upon terms and conditions, that check shall be immediately surrendered to the claimant, and within ten days the James Randi Educational Foundation will pay to the claimant the remainder of the reward, for a total of US$1,000,000. One million dollars in negotiable bonds is held by an investment firm in New York, in the "James Randi Educational Foundation Prize Account" as surety for the prize funds. Validation of this account and its current status may be obtained by contacting the Foundation by telephone, fax, or e-mail."

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zachninme
zachninme

Reply 13 years ago

Ah! So I was right!
I mean, of course I was right!

I don't like their setup. The part about showing a subject the list, then only calling it a successful test if they experience the effect that she was trying, and no other.
It seems that some subjects would placebo-effect themselves.

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lemonie
lemonie

Reply 13 years ago

What's wrong with the protocol?
If she can "make people urinate themselves with the power of her mind" surely the volunteers/victims will report that? If they self-placebo themselves into Vomiting I'd be really interested...

L

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zachninme
zachninme

Reply 13 years ago

No, they are only accepting it as a "good" result if they ONLY vomit. If say, shortness of breath, is on the list, and they report it, even if they vomitted, they will still call it a failure.

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lemonie
lemonie

Reply 13 years ago

Yes, she's supposed to demonstrate an ability that she claims to have. L

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zachninme
zachninme

Reply 13 years ago

Well, what I'm saying is, that the subject might have the placebo effect, and make themselves feel, say, sweaty. In that case, it is not her fault that the subject had the placebo effect, but it would be marked as a "bad" trial.

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lemonie
lemonie

Reply 13 years ago

I should think that being sweaty wouldn't negate the result if she also demonstrated what she claims. The point being that something she didn't claim to be able to do wouldn't count instead.

L

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zachninme
zachninme

Reply 13 years ago

"and the volunteer must feel *only* the effects of the talent Ms. Hunter was attempting to perform."

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lemonie
lemonie

Reply 13 years ago

I suppose that I should check back there. 24th Sep (see previous link) "Ms. Hunter has agreed to allow us to air the test live via webcam. A loose date has been set for the first week of November." "Ms. Hunter will have fifteen minutes to paranormally cause Jeff Wagg to urinate himself. There will be no diapers involved. Mr. Wagg will empty his bladder beforehand, as per Ms. Hunter's instructions."

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zachninme
zachninme

Reply 13 years ago

Wow! This should be fun!

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its a lion
its a lion

Reply 13 years ago

i want to see the video of it afterwards. i do wonder though... how does one discover the fact that you can cause someone to urinate oneself?

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zachninme
zachninme

Reply 13 years ago

Well, she could walk around town and realize everyone's wetting themselves as she walks past :P

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Firebert010
Firebert010

Reply 13 years ago

Could this have anything to do with The Secret? I'm sure some of you know of the theory.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

13 years ago

I figure it this way, all true psychics should be rich out of their minds (stock market, lottery, being able to pick the horses, cards about to be played in poker, etc & etc. )...

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bowakowa
bowakowa

13 years ago

Only one occurrence I give credence to in my life. I was about ten and dreamed that I had climbed a ten foot tall flower, fallen off, bit my tongue, and looked to my left to see a boy in a yellow and black football jersey with the number 33. As my dreams don't usually involve strange things, other than flying, I told my mom about it. About two weeks later, we went camping with some family friends who'd brought their nephew I had never met. The campground had a park with large metal flowers for climbing. I did not recall the dream until I had fallen from one of the flowers, bit my tongue, and looked over to the see the nephew aforementioned in his 33 yellow football jersey. Quite strange.

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Bran
Bran

13 years ago

Well, I never really believed in the whole psychic thing, but recently I had what you would call a "premonition." I won't go into details, but my sister was getting a divorce from a psycho (not psychic) husband. She had been sick, so he said, and couldn't even come to the phone. She had been laid up a day or so, when I had a dream one night that he was poisoning her. I didn't know how, just sensed something was wrong. I ignored this as one of my crazy dreams, of which I have many. A few days later, I get woken up, my mom says to watch my nephews, my sister has to go to ER, and they think her husband tried to poison her. True story, I don't lie about things as serious as that. Karma. Anyway, she's fine now, and he's two states away. So, I think premonitions are entirely possible, but talking to deceased people and spirits? Nah.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

and understand, I am not trying to convince you one way or the other, but giving you another option/point of view, as it were.

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Bran
Bran

Reply 13 years ago

Well, I am fond of watching Detective shows, in which people get poisoned. But still, I guess I should of said something when I did have the dream. Still, if I have any more that put my family in danger, heck yeah I'm gonna mention it to my parents. Just to be on the safe side. ;)

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

Yes, your subconscious mind is a powerful tool if used correctly. It can do some pretty neat things once trained properly.

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zachninme
zachninme

Reply 13 years ago

Hmm? Like what?

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

Well, as mentioned, if you record dreams, "feelings" (especially bad, or 'not right' feelings) etc. One can tap more of that resource in figuring out problems. Remember Mr. Friedrich August von Kekule? He had a dream of whirling snakes, of the structure of benzene - the organic chemical compound made up of a ring of carbon atoms. Look what discovery that lead him too. One can train one's self to have "lucent" dreams also (the female population has the greater number of naturally occurring lucent dreams, but guys can learn it too), and thereby direct one's subconscious to solve problems the conscious mind has already given up on as a lost cause. But then, sometimes dreams are just information haphazardly thrown together that do not have any correlation. It never hurts to be more observant though, as long as it doesn't become an obsession.

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Reply 13 years ago

> But still, I guess I should of said something when I did have the dream. . Don't beat yourself up for not saying anything. It was just a feeling. I'll bet that if you ask the other ppl close to your sister, they had similar feelings (and for the same exact reasons). . > gonna mention it to my parents. Just to be on the safe side. . Just don't become the boy who cried wolf. ;)

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Bran
Bran

Reply 13 years ago

I don't feel too bad, you know, she's living. Nah, I won't mention a lot of things I dream, or my parents would take me to a psychiatrist. Ah, well, it's over now.

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Reply 13 years ago

. Sounds like you have it under control - I'll stop playing Amateur Shrink. ;) . Can't help it! One more thing. It will probably be a while before your sister gets over it - do what you can to help. Sometimes just being there is enough, you don't even have to say anything. But I have the feeling you already plan on doing what you can. ;)

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KentsOkay
KentsOkay

Reply 13 years ago

Hummmm, perhaps when not being used to operate waking systems, your mind slips off into some mode whear it simulates possible situations and sends the most plausible one to the rest of you as a dream? Might explain that. Hope your sister feels better. I admire your complexion, if someone were to poison one of my sisters, I'd kill them.

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Reply 13 years ago

. Just guessing here, but I'd say: you knew this guy was a psycho well before the dream happened; you have had many dreams about him harming your sister, in various ways; if he had harmed you sister in any of those ways, you brain would have made that dream the "real" one. Plus, you had the clue that she was sick and you seem pretty bright, so that was already in the back of your mind and a frequent dream. . Not sure why the "I don't lie" disclaimer. If you were claiming to have started the General Lee with your mind, I might be suspicious. ;) . Hope things turn out well for your sister. She's probably gonna need a lot of hugs - give her one for me.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 13 years ago

Your premonition can still be the rational of your subconscious "putting it all together". Consider the info laid out before your subconscious mind: Divorce from a "psycho", suddenly she is ill, and seems to be getting worse, what is making her ill ? Maybe she is being poisoned, and we know by whom. Your subconscious mind is really good at putting things together (sometimes things you would not consciously put together....this doesn't mean it is alway correct, but this is where we get "that weird feeling" from.

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zachninme
zachninme

13 years ago

I know these things are completely made up, and I'm not going to repeat anyone here...

However, what about "harnessing" (Boy do I sound New-Aged now!) the "power of our mind" (I'm scaring myself here...) Basically, if RedNeckOreo knew that that guy was psycho, smart, and his sister was sick, he didn't put it together consicously, but, I guess, his sub.c. did.

Looking back, its obvious, so is it obvious for Mr. Sub.C looking forward?

Again, there's accuracy problems. This phenomenon might be once-a-decade (maybe more, the more dreams you can remember, my friend remembers 3 dreams on a daily basis), so there's a bit of luck involved.

Basically what I'm saying is premonitions are technically possible, and they happen, but they're too rare to be called psychic. Its just taking what you know, and having your sub.c. ponder over it for 5 hours.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

13 years ago

There are many psychics plying their trade, often for quite respectable organisations ("Police call in psychic..."), yet none of them actually have any evidence for their ability.

Some will advertise the fact that they "helped the police when they were looking for Child X". When you ask them if they actually found Child X, then sorry, no, the vibrations were bad, or the spirits were quiet that day.

One of the main excuses used by psychics who fail under proper scrutiny is that the sceptic attitude of the scientists interfered with their abilities somehow, and that they always succeed when surrounded by believers. Yeh...

One of the best-documented psychic events is the Out of Body Experience (OBE) during surgery. Patients claim to be able to describe surgical theatres, and surgeons accurately, even naming the music being played during the op.

Quite impressive at first glance, so a UK hospital did a simple test. When the procedure meant that the patient was unconscious before entering the theatre, they stood a large gaudy sign in the corner with a random message on it, or one of the staff wore something strange.

When patients later claimed to have had an OBE during the op, they took a statement describing the experience. None of the accounts included the oddities.

The incongruities then had to be dealt with. What about the patients who gave accurate descriptions of equipment or procedures? It turned out they either watched lots of medical dramas, or were the sort of people who liked to know what would be done to them, and had researched it beforehand. They were merely dreaming stuff they already knew.

What about the patients who could name the music being played? Hearing is the last sense to fade under anaesthetic, and sometimes doesn't go at all - they merely heard it and incorporated it in their dreams.