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Shenanigans! - your "premium membership" and PDFs Answered

I was browsing an article to get the full article PDF download. I was not logged in at the time since you can still browse the site without logging in (for how much longer I don't know).I was shocked to read in a tool tip that "a benefit of the premium membership is the ability to download and print the PDF for $4.95 per year" Outraged at reading this, I logged in only to make a complaint. When in the course of confirming the price for the comment I noticed I had access to the PDF. Now if I were a new user and looking into collecting as much article information as possible, and saw this tool tip I would sign up for the premium member to get the PDF. Even though I don't need to. Please correct the text of that tool tip to not mislead what few users you may still have.

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MJS6
MJS6

3 years ago

OK, $49.95 for 2 Years don't seem like too much to ask but I am wondering what their advertising revenue brings in. Is it a case of do-or-die or is it a case of more profits? If it is the latter then I will be sad. If the former then let us know so we can make informed decisions. Other wise I will think the worse... IMHO

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Kiteman
Kiteman

12 years ago

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DJ Radio
DJ Radio

Reply 12 years ago

(removed by a validity error)

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Tool Using Animal
Tool Using Animal

12 years ago

Outrage? From someone who has, since Oct of 2007, contributed NOTHING to the community other than this thread? Laughable. $4.95 a YEAR and the whine goes out that Instructables is somehow no longer egalitarian. Pathetic

Yes, I know this isn't nice, please feel free to flag it.

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boter2099
boter2099

Reply 12 years ago

I'm sorry Tool, I miss the point of your argument. Are you saying that because I didn't feel it necessary to post about how to grind your own meat, or how I spent my summer vacation that my feelings towards the future of this site are any less worthy than yours? Who do you think reads the projects you seem to think the all important benchmark? I could point out that to the logical person, the fact that in the two years since I created this account (which is not my first, but that's another tale) that this is the first time I've witnessed something important enough to speak up - that to me, this issue holds more weight than yet another home hydroponics post. But instead I'll leave you with that famous quote by Abe Lincoln "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

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Tool Using Animal
Tool Using Animal

Reply 12 years ago

No, I'm saying that there have been numerous threads about the future of instructables, but instead of contributing to them you make an ex post facto complaint. And since your motivation seems to be financial, well....... Secondly, if you're trying to get under my skin, it won't work, but thanks for trying. Lastly, it's better to be thought a fool, than remain silent and by doing so, fail to exist.

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bumpus
bumpus

Reply 12 years ago

Act a' fool!

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bumpus
bumpus

Reply 12 years ago

Just an expression I guess..
After a bit of googlin' I found it to be a song by Lil John feat. 3-6 Mafia..
I've never heard of the song to begin with.. ._.

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caitlinsdad
caitlinsdad

Reply 12 years ago

next time go with "I pity the fool...", Mr. RoboT

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Kryptonite
Kryptonite

Reply 12 years ago

My life is fulfilled in that one picture. Wait! It needs Chuck norris.

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flio191
flio191

Reply 12 years ago

might I interrupt this conversation with my rendition of:

"MY LITTLE PONY
MY LITTLE PONY
MY LITTLE PONY
MYYYY LITTLE PONNYYYYYYY!!!"

thank you.

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Kryptonite
Kryptonite

Reply 12 years ago

May I ask what on earth hat was about?

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Kryptonite
Kryptonite

Reply 12 years ago

I am fony disguised as a pony.... ohh i pretend i like my friends!!! I sing to the flowers and dance away the hours. but when there gone i give a cheer! my little pony, so skinny and bony went to the park to playyyyy tripped on a wire exploded in fire and that was the end of my pony's days Yep, gotta love them ponies! ...if you hear / see / say / think the word pony for too long it sounds really weird.

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boter2099
boter2099

Reply 12 years ago

On the contrary, you and your skin are of little consequence to me. You have however answered my question as "Yes you are an elitist". Which is fine. Had you read the thread to begin with, you would see my real issue has nothing to with my financial state at all - but a misleading tool tip. Searching for "tool tips" brings up 2 pages of results none of which deal with my concern. (did you find that internship though?) Lastly yes there have been other threads about the future of instructables, and yet searching for "premium membership" only brings up my thread.

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jessyratfink
jessyratfink

Reply 12 years ago

I think you could have been nicer about it but I agree with you. ;) $5 a year is nothing for keeping permanent copies of awesome projects on your computer. Much cheaper than buying books upon books for every subject you're interested in, that's for sure.

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Goodhart
Goodhart

Reply 12 years ago

Heck, I could even afford to pay the $5 a year if it actually helped them in any way.

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boter2099
boter2099

12 years ago

I also want to revise the point of this thread since I believe it has been missed. The issue is the misleading tool tip. Yes it is only $5. Yes it is sad that they've slide down this slope. Yes this is a very helpful site. Yes this comment is the only post I've made in two years. Yes my last line was harsh, and for that I apologize.

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Kryptonite
Kryptonite

Reply 12 years ago

You can edit your post.

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Chicken2209
Chicken2209

12 years ago

Has anyone actually become a premium member yet?

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Lithium Rain
Lithium Rain

12 years ago

Well, it IS a benefit of the premium membership. They speak the truth... And let me preface this by saying I absolutely love instructables. But I am starting to think its golden age has passed with the implentation of premium memberships, which is truly a shame. I think it will rapidly turn "youtube-like". Then again, maybe not! After all, youtube does not have premium memberships.

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Spl1nt3rC3ll
Spl1nt3rC3ll

Reply 12 years ago

Premium memberships? Have I missed something here?

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Lithium Rain
Lithium Rain

Reply 12 years ago

Yeah. Premium memberships are here. Sigh. I guess they have to pay the bills, but it represents a major paradigm shift, and you know they can never go back. People would be outraged to pay for a while, then go back to everyone having the privileges they paid for. We have gone from a society of all equals to one where money can purchase more features (not front page features (!), features as in abilities, etc). Better than no ibles, I guess, but I'm still not converted.

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Spl1nt3rC3ll
Spl1nt3rC3ll

Reply 12 years ago

Awww, darn.
-1 community.
+1 website.

: (

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xACIDITYx
xACIDITYx

Reply 12 years ago

Personally, I'm all for it. it's only 5 bucks a year, and you gotta make money somehow.

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mman1506
mman1506

12 years ago

it doesnt happen to me when you click pdf it brngs you to this and your free to download

instructable.jpg
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kelseymh
kelseymh

12 years ago

[ Moved from Feedback to Bugs at the request of the author. ]

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gmjhowe
gmjhowe

12 years ago

Obviously, they are still working out kinks in the site. Its a big site, and very complex, with no where near the number of people needed to perfect new improvements, no doubt, there are various things being tried out.

I also suggest taking a more friendly constructive attitude,
not mislead what few users you may still have.
Last i heard, were getting more and more new people signing up each day.

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boter2099
boter2099

Reply 12 years ago

"Last i heard, were getting more and more new people signing up each day." One could be lead to believe that that was due to required membership to view secondary photos, all project steps or to download project pdfs. But you are right, I was harsh with that statement. For that I apologize.

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kelseymh
kelseymh

Reply 12 years ago

We all have insufficient information for your conclusion. If the rate of new memberships is a smooth function, with no discontinuity correlated with the introduction of the "experiments," then your conclusion is not likely to be true. On the other hand, if there was a sudden increase in the membership rate subsequent to the start of the "experiments," then you may well be correct. Since we don't have that information, your guess is only that, a guess.

You could, if you chose to do so, edit this forum topic to remove the somewhat offensive comment. You could also consider adding some clarification to your comment, since it is most assuredly not clear that you are reporting a bug -- to anyone reading your topic, it sounds like you are complaining about the apparent introduction of paid memberships.

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LinuxH4x0r
LinuxH4x0r

12 years ago

Too far! I don't know if I want to stay if they start doing this premium crap.

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Lithium Rain
Lithium Rain

Reply 12 years ago

Well, if it advances to a point where they take away what we have, give many new features and privileges to paying members, and none for us...I'll have to agree.

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Sunbanks
Sunbanks

Reply 12 years ago

I would cry if that happened. I really would.