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Virginia Tech Massacre Answered

I am guessing most of you have heard of the horrible murders that went on this morning at Virginia Tech. For those of you who do not know, just turn on your news network. I was just wondering everybody's thoughts on this horrible case.

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T3h_Muffinator

12 years ago

I think it's terrible how the news just keeps playing the same videos over and over. This isn't a tragedy that should be televised for more than a few days, it only glorifies the killer, it gives him what he wanted: fame. The videos of him should not have been released, and all information on the killer should have been concealed to everyone other than immediate family members of the killer and victims.

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Brennn10T3h_Muffinator

Reply 12 years ago

Yea, I saw an interview on TV about a man affected by the murders was intent that the media should not have let the videos out. CBS, and other news stations have lightened up on the use of the videos, so its a good start.

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Bobfrizzle

12 years ago

people were just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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trebuchet03Bobfrizzle

Reply 12 years ago

Way to blame the victims... Class is not a "wrong place" and being in class when class is held is not a "wrong time." This is especially maddening when something like that is said of rape victims, abductions etc.... Is an ATM a wrong place? Absolutely not!

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fungus amungustrebuchet03

Reply 12 years ago

And does that mean the killer was in the right place at the right time? I'm so confused.

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T3h_Muffinatorfungus amungus

Reply 12 years ago

It depends on your perspective. For the killer, he was in the right place at the right time. From the student's perspective, the killer was in the wrong time at the wrong place, but the students were in the right place at the right time.

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Brennn10

12 years ago

I feel terribly sorry for the family of the killer.(I don't feel like butchering his name). I hear that they have to be continually moved around to place to place because of threats. Sad, Sad story.

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assasin

12 years ago

i read sum "stories" of his and they were something like a 5th grader would write if he was allowed to fully express himself or just thinks its kool to sware

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fungus amungus

12 years ago

Pretty gross how every news station is broadcasting the killer's video. They talk about how he wanted to glamorize his own self and then shove it into every media nook and cranny they can find? It's shameless and doesn't do anything to further the dialog.

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trebuchet03fungus amungus

Reply 12 years ago

Well, I feel a bit better - I'm not the only one that feels that way (the news was on in the Engineering Atrium).

It's shameless and doesn't do anything to further the dialog.

Which is why I don't watch televised news (unless it's weather and they have their own channel :P). Anything beyond the 30-60 minutes of news is pure speculation, opinion and now "news." After reported, it's "olds" :/

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fungus amungustrebuchet03

Reply 12 years ago

I turned on our TV for the first time in weeks so that we could watch Lost and they had teasers about that footage constantly. It reminded me why I stopped watching TV on a regular, or even occasional, basis for the past 10+ years. I bet you could do a decent thesis on the development of the press kits for killers. Mix up the Zodiac killer, the Unabomber, and this multimedia package and show how the murders aren't complete until the killer gets the media attention that he (and it's usually a he) wants.

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lemoniefungus amungus

Reply 12 years ago

Is the CSI franchise popular in your part of the world? People like murder and violence.... L (What's wrong with the ceiling lights in the CSI labs? They seem to have to resort to using desk-lamps like there's a lighting-circuit failure?)

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lemonie

12 years ago

How easy is it to buy guns in that state? Our news said 18 for rifle or shotgun, and 21 for hanguns, with "criminal record checks". Over here you need much more, like membersip of a club and references for a licence. Also the cops come around to assess you gun-cabinets/safes etc. Shotguns are in a different catergory, but you might need to show your NFU card(?) It's "I don't like Mondays again"? L

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i make shooting thingslemonie

Reply 12 years ago

The only gun buying law is you can only buy 1gun a month thats basically it besides the standard 7 day wait thing (it might not be 7 days I forget) but for having a gun in public it must be visible at all times. I dont know about VT's laws

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trebuchet03lemonie

Reply 12 years ago

I can't speak for their state... but I know my in state it's relatively easy (compared to your requirements). I do think there is a similar age restriction for shotguns and small arms. And safety equipment is not required. VT has rules against concealed weapons on campus (as does my school). Awhile back there was a push to have that rule changed - but it was taken down. Really, the last thing you want is a stressed out/loose college student with a concealed weapon during/before/after a calculus IV final exam :/

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KentsOkay

12 years ago

They tried covering up the first shooting.

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trebuchet03KentsOkay

Reply 12 years ago

Not according to my buddies that actually go to VT... Besides, they know they can't cover something like that up - this isn't the first time someone started firing a gun on that campus. If that's what the mass media is saying -- PLEASE stop listening to them (find their source of information ;) ). If there's one thing I hate, it's reporting 30 minutes of news content in a 24 hour period... there's only room for speculation :( Honestly, if something like this happened at my university - with nearly 50K students.... There's no way to get the word out. It's not like a high school with an intercom system to get in touch with every building, every room, every place on campus simply by pressing a button. To call every room by phone would take a gargantuan effort - to call every professor... that would take less time, but you still won't get the word out fast enough to the people you need to get in touch with (those en-route to campus). The only way to get in touch with most students is eMail... And an eMail did go out before the second shooting. Unfortunately, it takes time to find out what happens, draft the eMail, approve it and then finally send it out. Most of that time is just finding out what happened (it does take police a bit of time to determine what's going on and get that information to the right people). And I would NOT expect, demand or even ask a staff member to put themselves into harms way to warn people "on the streets." This is not like Elementary school - the students are Adults - equal to every other Adult. It was a terrible thing that happened - but again, I wouldn't expect my staff to be required to put themselves in harms way.

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randofotrebuchet03

Reply 12 years ago

The university has the same responsibility to the students sitting in its classes as the City of New York has to its subway riders. Some adults are students, some adults are subway riders and some are responsible of ensuring the saftey of all. Given the string of terrorist and terrorist-like attacks in the past decade, a large organization such as a university should have a contingency plan they could implement in such an atypical situation. If people get shot, the university SHOULD be put on alert and immediately. A private university is especially responsible for ensuring the safety and welfare of its students because it is a small privately-owned and funded city unto itself and is usually in some sense self-governed (has their own security and judicial process... to a point). With that said, any small city with a relatively low crime rate should have some sort of plan to immediately put into action if something as drastic as a shooting were ever to occur (and a university is no different). At the very least, given the events of that morning and the fact the shooter was still at large, there should have been an immediate heightened security presence throughout the campus. A couple guys armed with pepper spray and walking around campus buildings informing the students to be more vigilant on that particular day could have gone a long way to avoid this situation. I know everyone puts great religious faith in email these days as a means to and end, but this is a situation that would have been best handled by an immediate response of actual manpower. A delayed and carefully sugar-coated notification for the student is no excuse for the university to fall short of its duty of ensuring the welfare of its student.

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trebuchet03randofo

Reply 12 years ago

At the very least, given the events of that morning and the fact the shooter was still at large, there should have been an immediate heightened security presence throughout the campus. A couple guys armed with pepper spray and walking around campus buildings informing the students to be more vigilant on that particular day could have gone a long way to avoid this situation.

The problem was... the police mad a bad call (perhaps premature, I don't know - this is what I'm being told)... The university (for a relatively long time) did not know there was someone at large. The local police declared it a domestic dispute - the crime was over. As we know now, this was not the case. But, that is why outside precincts were not brought in immediatly to assist.


Ironically, I got an eMail from my university a few hours ago about this, and letting us know they are "reviewing their security." I did some research and found that there's a University not far from my hometown that uses text messaging to get information like this out... But to be honest, after speaking with a few people... Unless school was outright canceled I probably would go about my day as normal. Sure, I'll be suspicious of something that looks "off" - but not suspicious of other students. Finally, if I got a short text message telling me school was closed (from a sender other than a friend) - I would be very suspicious of it's validity :/


I do wonder if anything short of shutting down the school would have helped... I mean, the person was a student - with small arms. I could keep a lot in my bag without you knowing -- and move about campus no problem because I'm a student, I look like a student, plenty of people move about every day...


There's one thing I've said for awhile in scenarios like this.... When someone has truly made up their mind that they are going to kill someone and themselves -- I mean truly made that decision (not just pleas for help). You'll be hard pressed to stop them before it begins. It's just the nature of homicidal and suicidal people. Most suicide attempts include a "plea for help" - that is, it's mentioned before it happens - but that's not the case for most suicides (especially in males || Females have a higher attempt rate while males have a higher suicide rate).

been best handled by an immediate response of actual manpower.

I do agree - in fact, that's likely one of the only ways to get me to change my plans. However, I still say that I do not expect not demand a staff/faculty member to put them self into harms way... Unless of course that person happens to be police and/or security.

Really, it will take a lot to make me change my plans on campus... Mostly because I fall into the "don't blame the victim" category. Warned or not - if the campus remained open - the students and faculty had a right to be where they were.



But, now re-reading - I do agree with the first things that you said. They do have a responsibility to get information out as quickly as they can... But quickness greatly depends on planning - and I surely don't know what their planning involved :/ In fact, I don't even know what my own University has planned.

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randofotrebuchet03

Reply 12 years ago

I suppose you have a point, there really was no way to stop him other than shutting down the school if he was that determined to do it. And given the initial situation shutting down the school may have been over-reacting However, not to sound like a broken record... but I still think the outcome wouldn't have been so bad if people knew what was going on ahead of time and there were more police around. Also, you probably know this, but males tend to have a higher success rate because the methods they use are more extreme, calculated and to the point (I've always found that amusing).

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fungus amungusrandofo

Reply 12 years ago

It's pretty incredibly rare that a single murder will then lead to a gigantic murder spree. So to really talk about how much the school should've done is to be talking from today's perspective as opposed to a few days ago. Suppose the school did have a habit of going into lockdown after such incidents, including non-murders. The student body would quickly become jaded and ignore them and even decry the university creating an environment of fear. It's also a matter of how long it takes information to percolate through a huge campus while classes are going on. It could've been better, but I doubt by much.

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KentsOkaytrebuchet03

Reply 12 years ago

How come that chap was loose for two hours between shootings? I guess college stutdents must check their email more than twice a day two. I'll just have to wait to see what Now has to say about it...

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carbon

12 years ago

Let's all just be really glad that the shooter wasn't a Muslim.

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Brennn10

12 years ago

It is truly a terrible incident. May all prayers go out to the families who have lost a loved one.

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assasin

12 years ago

rebel aganst society!!!! this is not a case, it's against wht we stand 4. a murder case then? still no be nice,positive and constructive,or risk ......... "Those who love and are not loved back want to stop loving,but they can't so they stop living..... and take those they love with them"