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What would happen if the Internet were to fall? Answered

With all the terrorism stuff going on, I've always wandered what would be next.

Ever since 9/11, I always asked myself were they would strike next, because they certainly did not intend to stop there.

My guesses have been that they would probably strike at either:

1) Elections - Either at the thing were they welcome the new president (sorry don't know much bout U.S. polimatics)

2) Beijing Olympics - Its an important event

3) Internet:

I came to realize that one of the worst things that they could do was attack the internet. I figured that one of these methods could be used:

  • Multiple malware methods. They could attack individual computers with worms
  • Somehow attacking diffrent countries methods of connection, being either telephone companies or whatever other methods they use (like those China underwater tube things)

* But my best guess would be that they would strike important service providing companies. They would destroy the companies methods (satellites, cable mainframe stuff etc...)

I would like this forum to have the porpose of disscussing terrorism issues and future issues like oil and so on. But mainly, what would happen if somehow, they attacked the internet?

Sure hope none of them read this, cuz if they didn't have this idea, now they would....

P.S. sorry, Im nt good with techie, so some of my points may not me accurate or clear. Please correct me if needed

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REA
REA

12 years ago

if they somehow destroy the internet it will literally have Revelations-like effects on the world. more wars, riots, possibly fire-rain. im serious (unlike most times).

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whatsisface
whatsisface

12 years ago

Did you know the entire country of Qatar got banned from editing Wikipedia? The whole country shares an ip address so when one person vandalised it, the whole country got banned!

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DJ Radio
DJ Radio

12 years ago

the storm worm was pretty close....................

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Firebert010
Firebert010

13 years ago

It cannot, for we have an army protecting us.

Nah just kidding. I'm pretty sure an attack suck as the ones described below isn't possible, or even if it is, how will the terrorists coordinate afterwards? I'm pretty sure satellites are Internet-based as well.

The worst they could do is cut off some connection between countries, easily repaired.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 13 years ago

I really ought to hover over links and read the url before I click

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tech-king
tech-king

Reply 13 years ago

justice has been done!!

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Firebert010
Firebert010

Reply 13 years ago

I don't see why it was a problem. That's 4chan's homepage. It's about as G-rated as Disney's website.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 13 years ago

Not when you click too fast as it opens and your young son's in the room. That's the first time "origami" has made me dive for the X in the corner.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

13 years ago

How hardened are the main servers against EMP?

It is scarily-easy to make an explosive-driven EMP device

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tech-king
tech-king

Reply 13 years ago

well, seeing as the servers would be isolated from their metal cases, which are grounded through the power supply, they should be able to resist decent emp blasting.

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Reply 13 years ago

. But the pulse can come in through the data cables (unless they are fiber-optic) and power wiring.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 13 years ago

Metal cases? The last server I saw had a plastic case with a transparent door.

Anyhoo, I bet we could put a big dent in the net by letting these off in city commercial centres - London's Square Mile, Wall Street etc - especially if the attacks are coordinated (pretty easy to do, up until the point the bombs go off)

Some attacks can be very low tech - the whole Asian subcontinent is connected to the internet by just three sub-sea fibre-optic cables, two of which broke within a few days of each other. Other trans-continental connections are just as fragile (I think some are still copper!)

A single stab to the heart will kill, but so will enough cuts to the limbs.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 13 years ago

I wonder if Homeland Security are reading this?

Smiles and waves "hello" to Paranoid Men in Suits.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 13 years ago

PMS! LOL

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Labot2001
Labot2001

Reply 13 years ago

LOL! Was that intended?

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 13 years ago

No, I only noticed as I clicked post.

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Labot2001
Labot2001

Reply 13 years ago

Haha, those which go unnoticed are often the best!

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tech-king
tech-king

Reply 13 years ago

guy in a suit: hello sir. you need to look into this tube
kiteman: why?
guy in suit: a simple eye exam
kitewife: go for it. maybe you hurt your eyes in the shed fire or your uv led instructable
kiteman: okay. fine looks n tube
FLASH
kitman: what were we talking about again?? and who are you??

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Reply 13 years ago

. You could certainly cause localized disruptions that way and you could even turn large areas into "islands." But IP traffic is just as happy using satellites, radio, &c. Heck, you could even use soup cans and string, if you're not too worried about bandwidth. . I'm not trying to say that an EMP attack wouldn't be VERY serious, it's just that the effects will be localized. From what I've read, it is very difficult to make an EMP source with appreciable power/range. Kinda like nukes. Sure, some rag-tag organization could put one together, but the yield will be very low. The idea of an EMP bomb that will shutdown a whole country/continent is still sci-fi.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 13 years ago

The kind of bomb ~~I know how to build~~ have heard about takes little more than reasonable shop skills and access to C4 or similar. It will wipe out the electronics over a radius of half a mile or more (depending on the exact specs you use.

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Reply 13 years ago

. I don't consider 1/2 mile to be high-yield. Fantastic for a DIY project, but not so good for a WMD. And what kind of blast radius would such a large EMP source produce? 1/2m? 1/4m? . In a high-density area such as NYC, London, &c, one could do quite a bit of damage, but it still wouldn't wipeout overall Internet traffic. Some would get routed through South America/Africa, some would go the other way around the world (NYC>West Coast>Asia>...). Might get some major slowdowns in trans-Atlantic traffic, but the network would eventually adapt. . As you mentioned in a prev post, there are a few bottlenecks, but even those lines are usually duplicated (or triplicated) so as to lessen the chances of a successful attack. . Personally, I think the effects on the cell phone system would be much more disruptive. The Internet Will Survive!

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 13 years ago

The EMP bomb only uses a kilo or so of C4 - not much in the way of actual blast at all.

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Reply 13 years ago

. Do they scale up well? Would two kilos double the effective range? Seems to me it would be an square root (maybe even log) relationship. I seem to have given away all the literature I had on the subject (electrical engineering journals), how about throwing a few good links my way? . I'm not trying to say that such a bomb wouldn't cause localized havoc, just not the "sky-is-falling/bring-down-the-Internet" scenario originally presented.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 13 years ago

Here's a text description

The relative simplicity of the FCG and the Vircator suggests that any person with even a 1940s technology base, once in possession of engineering drawings and specifications, could make an E-bomb.As an example, a FCG can be made with basic electrical materials, common plastic explosives such as C-4 or Semtex, and readily available machine tools such as lathes and suitable mandrels for forming coils. A two stage FCG could be built for as little as US$1,000-2,000. Ivor Smith, an electrical engineer at Loughborough University who has worked on these devices for years, told New Scientist "You can build flux compressors smaller than a briefcase."

And here's a different site with diagrams.

This third site also has diagrams of the Vircator microwave device.

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Reply 13 years ago

. Thanks! That last link was very interesting.
. I still say these are laboratory devices and anything made without extremely tight QC will have fairly low yield/range (one city block or less). Not a threat to ignore, but not a Doomsday Machine, either. Most of the commenters at DefenceTech seemed to agree that it is not that big of a threat, even to individual installations (evidently, hardening against a terrorist-sized EMP is easier than I thought).
. As a military weapon, it makes sense - for terrorism, conventional bombs are, apparently, more effective. I'm guessing it's the shock value of killing ppl, instead of computers, that the terrorists like. I won't be too surprised if we have an EMP attack in the next year or two, but I will be surprised if it is very effective. Yeah, it might knock out a bunch of TVs, radios, cell phones, &c, might even trip a regional power black out, but the important infrastructure should survive and recovery should be swift.
. Have we beat this horse to death, yet? heehee

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 13 years ago

Sorry, I was listening to tech-king...

.... er ...

...what were we talking about?

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Keith-Kid
Keith-Kid

Reply 13 years ago

perhaps older bulkier computers? Rare, but still in use for big servers?

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Goodhart
Goodhart

13 years ago

What would I do ? Start using the Library more often again..... :-)

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Keith-Kid
Keith-Kid

13 years ago

how the crap did we go from global threat to emo discussion?

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Sunbanks
Sunbanks

Reply 13 years ago

People like me tend to get off track quite a bit.... Like today, I was going to go get something from the shed at track practice but instead I started messing with a rope....

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Keith-Kid
Keith-Kid

Reply 13 years ago

Rope! It's like string, only manlier!!!

Fairly Odd Parents

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Sunbanks
Sunbanks

Reply 13 years ago

I was sitting on the rope because it was tied between two poles or whatever. It was fun :D

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Keith-Kid
Keith-Kid

Reply 13 years ago

I'm an expert at sitting! If you need any help with sitting, you can ask me anytime!

on another note, googling "baby" brings up so many funny pics!!

baby.jpg
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Sunbanks
Sunbanks

Reply 13 years ago

I kept falling off though because my friend kept pulling it up lol.

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Keith-Kid
Keith-Kid

Reply 13 years ago

you seriously do not know the embarrassment I feel because of this forum....wish I never made it :(

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Sunbanks
Sunbanks

Reply 13 years ago

Why? :(

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Keith-Kid
Keith-Kid

Reply 13 years ago

B-B..c..cc..Cuz all the big people is ...s..saying tha...that Im too offtopics!!! *waahh*!!!

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teaaddict314
teaaddict314

13 years ago

"what would happen if the internet were to fail" simple, less fat kids.

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Keith-Kid
Keith-Kid

Reply 13 years ago

Now that's an answer! simple and to the point! Say no to fat kids!

I'm not fat! I'm mildly obese!

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dsman195276
dsman195276

Reply 13 years ago

i'm skinny, it weird because i play on the computer and videogames 5-7 hours a day.

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teaaddict314
teaaddict314

Reply 13 years ago

skinny does by no means mean healthy though.

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dsman195276
dsman195276

Reply 13 years ago

i know. i am not that skinny were i would have health problems though.

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Keith-Kid
Keith-Kid

Reply 13 years ago

fat kids play 6 hours. Youre in the clear, just 5-7, not 6. lol..

wait.....3...carry the one......54.......crud.........

Im not fat...

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jessyratfink
jessyratfink

Reply 13 years ago

And yay for that! If I see another morbidly obese five year old I'm going to scream.

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dsman195276
dsman195276

13 years ago

i would probely crawl in to a corner and get in the fetal position.

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Keith-Kid
Keith-Kid

Reply 13 years ago

I am as I type this. *sob*

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gimmelotsarobots
gimmelotsarobots

13 years ago

It would be impossible to knock out the entire internet unless every single worldwide computer was knocked out. Just look at this internet map from 2006!

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