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Where to get piezo igniters? Answered

I have several lighters that I still like, either for their design or intended purpose.
But over the years some failed to produce proper sparks with the piezo.
For some I could salvage replacements from cheap lighters but not so much for the longer ones - the type to get your bbq or oven going.
Here the wire from the igniter is in ne long piece going all the way from the piezo, through the long neck to the flame outlet.
As the wires in those piezo igniters are aluminium it is next to impossible to attach a longer wire as usually there is no room for crimped connections and the isolation is a problem too.
I also have one particular lighter that uses a slightly longer and thicker piezo igniter, the common ones don't work here as they are too short.
Adding more support underneath is a no go as the shorter ones have less travel when activated.
Last but not least is one lighter that requires a piezo with not just the little metal cap at the end but with a full metal body for the stationary part.
The lighter in question does not work with standard types even if I add a little metal strip to make proper contact.
Problem is simply put that like this the standard ones arch over and no spark comes out of the wire.

So big question:
Is there any supplier or Ebay shop where one could actuall see the various types of piezo igniters and order them in small or single quantities?
So far I already struggled to find a source for the crappy standard ones and the only one I found wanted to charge $ 2.95 US per igniter plus postage.
Sounded a bit greedy to me considering I can buy a complete lighter with it for around one single buck...

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ezdog948
ezdog948

7 months ago

Need a new igniter

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Downunder35m
Downunder35m

Reply 7 months ago

Have a look at cheap BBq or oven igniters - the ones with the long "neck".
I found their longer wires quite useful when it comes to replacments and a throw away one goes for under 3 bucks....

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nick_loss
nick_loss

1 year ago

After a couple of years trying to source these igniters myself, i found nothing locally (I live in Canada). Nor nothing in the US.
however, I found a large number of vendors selling them from China on Alibaba. Their online advertisements say that the minimum quantity to purchase is anywhere from 1,000 to 50,000 with prices ranging from $0.05 to over $1.00 per unit. obviously from a hobbyist standpoint, these quantities make no sense. but after a couple of months, I figured I would ask if they'd be willing to send a smaller order of 50. I was surprised when a few vendors replied positively. the only thing they said they would need would be a technical drawing with measurements. one of the vendors sent me a diagram/schematic of the ignitor assembly and asked that I fill in the exact dimensions. so I was planning to borrow my brother's digital calipers and measure some of the igniters from my broken lighter collection but within a few days I became inundated with Spam from Alibaba as well as repeated messages from completely new vendors that somehow you that I was in the market for piezo igniters. seems my activity on the website was not only tracked (as I expected) but also shared among the Alibaba vendors along with my email address. the whole experience was shady and turned me off of doing business on their platform.

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Downunder35m
Downunder35m

Reply 1 year ago

Thank you so muc for this reply!
I had the problem myself, not for the igniters though.
Once you ask a seller or company on Alibaba or the Chinese online markets you are slammed.
I had to change my Email address to fix the issue in the end as it became inpossible to add several new spam accounts every day to my filters.

For some lighters however I found a partially working alternative by salvaging the igniters from new lighters.
Be it in shops or on markets you often find some with a clear view on the internals for half decent judgement on the size.
So I buy one that looks different or promising and if it fits for one or two of my old lighters I go again and grab some spares.
Makes between $1 and $4 with the long ones being the most expensive.
Not perfect and quite often you need to add a piece of rubber or so underneath the match the length.
Just shows how much better the traditional lighter is - you still get flints for all of them....

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randyaz
randyaz

2 years ago

I've had pretty much the same experience as you. Altho I did get lucky a few years ago when I found Christmas themed 3-packs of electronic lighters on clearance at a $store for 25¢ so I bought 39 lighters for less than $4. The lead wire is really short, but I extend it by using a piece of insulation robbed off slightly larger wire to cover the "splice", which doesn't need to be physically connected, just close enough to arc. Using clear insulation from speaker wire makes it easier. I've found that those 9¢ ignitors are a direct replacement for everything except some hi-end liters that use a slightly shorter one, but those don't seem to ever break anyway. The only other lighter I've found with a bullet proof ignitor is a Gibson Slide Lighter - with initials G.E.I. I bought a bunch at Big Lots and I've never seen an ignitor fail. The length is the same as a standard ignitor, but the body is slightly smaller and they work upside down, so the plunger is stationary, with the wire just loosely stuck into the end, then turning around and going back up to the burner. I've done a number of successful conversions, but on a cheap lighter, its really not worth the effort, and my humble lighter hospital has yet to see a nice lighter with a bad ignitor. I need to find a better line of work. (lol)

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nick_loss
nick_loss

Reply 1 year ago

..insulation from speaker wire eh? I'll have to try that.. I have been insulating my 'splices' but painting on a couple coats of liquid electrical tape. it leaves a very flexible and protected joint. cures fast too. but your speaker wire insulation has the benefit of not needing the wires to be touching! thanks!

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colie1904
colie1904

1 year ago

You mentioned needing a slightly longer and thicker piezo igniter.. have you checked out the ignitors that are attached to gas water heaters, used to light the pilot light? These ones look the same as the ones used in most cheap lighters just bigger. Its about 0.35" wide and 1.45" tall. The one i have has a bullet connector attached to the wire to connect it to a longer wire.

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Downunder35m
Downunder35m

Reply 1 year ago

I have seen these but never found a source for them, only by going through scrap.
The next best thing I found so far was in some cheap lighter for fire places - the ones with the long neck.
They were a prefect fit with just a tiny spcaer added but did not last long.

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Jack A Lopez
Jack A Lopez

3 years ago

Yeah, like you say, "considering I can buy a complete lighter with it for around one single buck", I think that might be the way to do it, if the igniter module, found inside the 1-dollar lighter, is a good size.

Actually, I took some pictures of my hands taking apart one of these 1-dollar, barbecue lighters, and put them in Step 4 of my Piezo Pen instructable, here,

https://www.instructables.com/id/Piezo-Pen-Pulsed-...

That barbecue lighter was purchased from a DollarTree(r),

https://www.dollartree.com/custserv/custserv.jsp?p...

somewhere in the former United States.

Also those pictures were taken in 2011, about 6 years ago, so I don't know for sure if the same thing is still available at the local DollarTree(r) today.

BTW, are you living somewhere in the FUS? Your profile location says Australia, and your choice of username kind of suggests this too, but I dunno, maybe you picked up and moved recently.

You would think the wholesale, per unit, price for these piezo modules would be measured in pennies or dimes, if they could sell a complete lighter for 1.00 USD.

I am surprised you could not find someone selling these things for cheap on eBay, and now I guess I'll have to check eBay myself to confirm this is the case.

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Downunder35m
Downunder35m

Answer 3 years ago

As said, some I could fix with the guts of a cheap lighter but the others use a different type, length or diameter for the igniter.
If you find a proper guy on Ebay let me know as I fail to find them.
And yes, I am sitting where the kangaroos jump around ;)

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Jack A Lopez
Jack A Lopez

Answer 3 years ago

I could not find much on eBay either. Also tried searching dx.com and banggood.com, with similar disapointing results.

I found a page at alibaba.com,
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/piezo-igniter.htm...


but I am not sure about those guys.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alibaba_Group

I have seen their pages come up in search results before, but I have never found the courage to try buying anything sold there.

I mean, for any particular thing, I'm trying to build, I am not trying to build hundreds, or thousands of that thing. But I suppose Alibaba.com does make sense for people who do own factories, or for re-selling (re-tailing?) businesses.

Also I found a Wikipedia page for, "Piezo igniter",
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezo_ignition

and one of the references for this page pointed into some web pages for a company named "American Piezo",

https://www.americanpiezo.com/standard-products/pi...

And that's about all I found.

I still think your best, easiest, solution is probably going to be cannibalizing dollar store lighters, one at a time, unless you want to get into the lighter manufacturing business.

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iceng
iceng

3 years ago

My office wall, and RV both use a piezo igniter ..

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Downunder35m
Downunder35m

Answer 3 years ago

I know these long things but they won't fit into a lighter, same for the battery powered ones LOL

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iceng
iceng

Answer 3 years ago

Now I get it you want to light your Barbie or is it Barbecue (see, I'm not sure where you are ?).. Using your arm to place a flame generating cigarette lighter (not so safe !Z!z)...

May I recommend a piezo gas lighter with a safe longer reach.

You may need to click the pic to see the whole image..

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