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link to parts in 'ble for easier search and categorisation Answered

Hello fab fun instructable people,

I would like to see instructables linked to their basic ingredients. This way, when I englishly search for vhs and get 1.5 pages of hits that don't have anything to do with vhs's, and then search for vcr and get over 5 pages of hits, I can instead... go to a page, and 1) look at the main basic ingredients that instructables are based upon, 2) reading through them at my leisure, and 3) can think up a new 'ble that has not been done before.

Lets say this another way. Looking up at the menu bar, I would like to click a link that says ingredients, that will take me to a page, that will list 50 items (configurable from user profile) which are said to be the main components of an instructable. Clicking on one of these items will take me to another page, which will show that item/component with instructables that have chosen to build with that item/component. So here there will be a list of recipes with said ingredient in. From this list I should be able to read up on all the 'bles marked as having the american vcr tag, which may or may not also have the european tag of vhs.

Can I say it again? Let me try. The way to do it with drupal:
So if each 'ble is marked with a tag (taxonomy = drupal) this tag is a new field that is attached to each instructable. Each 'ble can have many tags. So this tag can be seen as being a multiple field of parts or ingredients which may be added to an 'ble listing, if he author wanted to be thorough.
Next, a 'view' could be created listing all the tags/ingredients/parts used. This view is the main content, and could show on a page a number of items. Each item comprises of a picture of a generic item, item description and item title. The picture can be 48x48pixels, thus allowing for a good pageful of items. Users could have options in their profile to show number of items per page, and to show icon size preference, and say have a small icon view with the 48px icon view, and a medium with 120px, and a large with 200px, maybe for each page of results.
So the results page is different from the item/category page. On this item page as on the results page will be the previous and next links, plus also the usual panels that exist on the side and the footer, and of course the header.
Essentially the content is what the view is. Clicking on one of these items, will take a user to a search page, listing all items tagged with that specific term, i.e. vhs or vcr or both (you could put a rule saying tag anything with a tag of vcr with the vhs tag, or you could keep them separate, and have both items in the 'view', adding that one is americanised and the other is anglocised with some kind of footnotes). This may open up instructables to be multilingual at some point in the future too, if that was ever something to look forward to the future for.

Now, somehting irrelevant to the above idea from happening: if you think I raise a valid point, cool, I would like to be put forward for charity membership, and have myself seen as exempt from having to pay for pro membership. I do not expect this.
IDEA* this is another great thing you can add to the site. If possible, tell me so - and then I can make an instructable based on doing charity work not necessary for any return favours, but as an altruistic form of behaviour, and gain credit towards another kind of mem'ship, maybe even community service. I do a lot of charity work, helping others in need, and for people who would like to give but haven't enough to support themselves, or believe that people in Africa or elsewhere have more of a need than themselves getting pro mem'ship, I think that allowing people to have the option may solve grey areas, for instance, where some people who do not fit the 'pro' mold could fit into.

I love this site, and I love you guys and girls for doing such a fab job. I wish I was part of the team.
Hal
p.s. Pro Members should be able to change their nicknames, or have more than one that is hidden from others.

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lemonie
lemonie

10 years ago

This was suggested last year I think. I requires extra work, extra code, and how many people would use it?

L

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Advocat
Advocat

Reply 10 years ago

Hi L,
It does require extra work your right. Bottom line, is that if the functionality is not there then people won't get the chance to use it. If its there then it would enhance the site funcitonality. :-)

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lemonie
lemonie

Reply 10 years ago

The first two statements are true, However, consider how much enhanced functionality Microsoft have been stuffing into their main products - most people don't use much of it, I don't believe we'd see enough use of this feature for it to be worthwhile.

L

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Advocat
Advocat

Reply 10 years ago

Microsoft is a blueprint for success. I wouldn't have been turned to Linux in my former years had they not such a headstrong blueprint marketing strategy. Which if we compare with my original request, would lead to instructables and microsoft sharing commonalities, which I did not intend.

I don't think of it in terms of worth, but more of beauty. The more detailed a project is, the more ways a person can view it, or the more people can have their own view of it, which means more-views =more-people.
If there are more people, then that leads to more fans, which leads to a wider subscription base.
In terms of projects go, 10% of the costs involved goes to the contingent, which is the unknown. This contingency, I see as a natural phenomenon. It worls the other way around as well. If you have a shop, 10% of the people walking outside will enter, of those only 10% will pick something up, and then 10% of those will buy a product. So thats 1% of people who enter the shop will reach into their pocket and hand over cash, wile the others will end up leaving as their interest is only limited by their spending factor.
So, if you reach 100 people, one of those will pay the subs, and 100k people will see 1000, etc.
There are other factors in the shopping business, and word of mouth is the best marketing factor, so if one person had a nice experience in that shop, they might not have paid out money, but they would share their experience with someone else, and that someone else then becomes a probable customer.
Sorry I don't mean to go on, but with this model for product marketing, success is measured by the user base, and the wider the base the more funds will be returned.
So if you consider how much stuff M$ has been putting into their products, that bloat can be seen as a way to provide more user-views, which led to Gates billion dollar island owning empire.
The only thing that is limiting the income is the imagination, in this respect.
;-) And a little hard work never hurt nobody, well the nobody that wore protective clothing and followed necessary safety procedures.

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lemonie
lemonie

Reply 10 years ago

Most people viewing pages here are visitors referred from elsewhere, they look at things, then they go away. It might be a nice feature, but I don't see a large take-up / usage. E.g. how much time have you spent using the Groups? Come to think of it, you joined more than two years ago and you've put nothing in your profile yet.

L

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Advocat
Advocat

Reply 10 years ago

I didn't realise that. I thought as happened to me, they were referred then dug deeper, losing themselves...! I am a bit sensitive about my profile. Once I have an instructable, and have got something I am proud of, most likely I will update my profile. There is no reason why anyone else needs to know anything about me. As you said before,
           "Most people viewing pages here are visitors referred from elsewhere, they look at things, then they go away".

I have actually just got into the groups. I didn't realise that there was anything like this at all! But then, from the front page, there is no clarified direction, or at least there wasn't for me. I never got past all those tags up at the top, and thought they were redundant.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

10 years ago

That is part of the function of keywords.

If people tagged their projects with the main tools or components, then projects with the same things would automatically pop up in the related list.

As for a charity membership - the staff all paid for their own memberships.  If you want to "earn" one, start producing your own instructables and enter them in contests.


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Advocat
Advocat

Reply 10 years ago

For me, I had a hard time thinking of different ways of calling a vcr a 'vcr'. If I could look trough a list of ingredients, it would take the strain of thinking, this in turn would open up the site for me, and allow me to find similar items that I could have used that I wouldn't think of normally. My memory excludes that which it has not come across, and 'bles has opened up a lot of things for me, widening my possibilites, which I am thankful for.

Another idea would be for people to tag the theme of their instructible, thus allowing people to focus on the 'Iron Man' theme, if that was their focus of choice.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 10 years ago

Again, what you are describing is the keywords system.

When you write an Instructable, you have to give it some tags (keywords) that will influence where the project turns up in searches.

Some people do not use the keywords properly, using words that have nothing to do with the project (like Awesome! ) or are even inappropriate.

If the keywords are used properly, though, then a search for main components will turn up projects that use those components.  For example, searching for "vcr" gives four pages of projects that use a VCR somewhere.

So, instead of asking for the website code to be re-written, just to make your own life easier, why not persuade people to use the existing systems properly?

If you see a project with ineffective keywords, drop the author a PM and ask them to change them.

If you ever produce a project of your own, set a good example by using the keywords properly.

Do you see?


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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 10 years ago

(Have a look at the keywords for this topic - do you see how they are now more likely to attract searchers wanting to discuss this subject?)

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Advocat
Advocat

Reply 10 years ago

I just looked for tags/keywords, and found them, but when I created this topic, there was no place for me to input any tags. So those tags were not of my choosing.

There was no field that asked me:
1) what are the three main components of your instructable.
2) name the theme of your instructable.

and also in guides, when reading up on them, I have never seen a field asking if the theme reflected the guide, thus allowing the community to do some of the footwork.

Going back to your previous note. I didn't realise that I was asking for the website code to be rewritten, only for it to add a module or an extra view, and some fields.
For me a website is a work in progress, and is constantly needing updating, not only because of security updates like xss, but also to cooperate with the transparent programs underneath that allow new features like twitter and feeds.

I think it ineffective for me to correspond with every author in order to make my life easier in this matter. That would take forever. It would also be very close to policing, of which I do not feel is my responsibility, and something I do not feel comfortable with.
I do need to make my own instructable though. I have a few ideas as well, but very little time. Although the time I would save from one project would allow me to document and write it up. I would like to have something unique though.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 10 years ago

I just looked for tags/keywords, and found them, but when I created this topic, there was no place for me to input any tags. So those tags were not of my choosing.

That is not so - you cannot post a topic without adding keywords.
There was no field that asked me:
1) what are the three main components of your instructable.
2) name the theme of your instructable.
Please, pay attention.  That is what the keywords are for.  If you ever write an Instructable, you will find that you cannot post it without going through a stage where keywords are requested.

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Advocat
Advocat

Reply 10 years ago

This is not an instructable.
I went throught the bug submission process to submit this feature request.
I will try again the steps/procedure.

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Kiteman
Kiteman

Reply 10 years ago

This is still a "topic", and still cannot be submitted without keywords (the ones Lemonie shoed).

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Advocat
Advocat

Reply 10 years ago

Kiteman,

I tried reversing my steps, the conclusion was that the site ... gives the feedback tag, but I don't remember adding key and word as well as keyword - that's just not my style. You don't have to read all this, it's boring, but I must have entered some tags. For this process, I attentively added a couple from the title, and I wasn't empowered to rethink what tags I wanted to associate with my new topic, but that could have been down to my present mood.

Here is what I went through:
Process:
Ask a q from submit.jsp takes me to:
https://www.instructables.com/answers/ask
I add a question title and the optional body.
It asks me to select category and tags. Okay, but actually I went to submit bug page!
Click on new Bug, it takes me to:
https://www.instructables.com/edit/new?type=forumTopic&categoryGroup=help&category=bugs
I put in a topic and a body, and select preview.
It says keyword requires at least 2 tags, okay.
Now I remember, I go to contact, in the about us block, and sends me to:
https://www.instructables.com/about/contact.jsp
which sends me then to:
https://www.instructables.com/community?categoryGroup=help&category=bugs
and I click new topic, enter title and body, click preview - it asks for keywords. I enter 'browse tags', preview then publish. Then are you sure, and then share with friends.
It appears in bugs, but I see my original appears in feedback. I delete and try again.
this time I choose https://www.instructables.com/community?categoryGroup=help&category=feedback
Again it tells me keywords are a required field. I enter 'browse tags' without the quotes.
I preview, publish, and say yes I am ready to publish and agree with TOS.
I look at the forum topic, and see it has 3 tags now, browse tags and feedback.
So I start again, and add keywords 'keywords tags'

Conclusion: ok weird, it adds the feedback tag, but I don't remember adding key and word and bug and the rest, as well as 'keyword' - thats just not my style.
Link to topic: https://www.instructables.com/community/Can-I-browse-tags-and-themes-and-main-components/

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lemonie
lemonie

Reply 10 years ago

You didn't choose these tags?

L

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Doctor What
Doctor What

10 years ago

 Instructables.com is a business, not a charity.  They're looking for money, not karmic points as reimbursement for their work.  Not going to happen, otherwise everybody would try to get one, and just mooch off of the system.

Everybody already has the ability to change their member names, all you have to do is request it.

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Advocat
Advocat

Reply 10 years ago

I completely agree. It was just something that I thought about, and am glad that I got some feedback on really. I didn't want to offend anyone at all. I went further to think that people, if students could get a student mem'ship, but this is just naive thinking really, if you think that everyone is going to take advantage of paying less. Although, people pay for what they get, and marketing can help people to choose according to their income. If people are naturally going to rip others off, then I guess that is how the world is. If they on the other hand have been brought up differently, they will have a different outlook on life and living.
I didn't say that 'bles was a charity at all. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I was merely trying to allow those who could not afford to pay their way to be a part of a community really, and was supporting the idea of inclusion as opposed to exclusion.