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what came first the chicken or the egg?

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Bran

12 years ago

Chuck Norris.

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Kiteman

12 years ago

The egg.

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theque

12 years ago

the chicken, after it evolved into a chicken it produced an egg. the organism that evolved into a chicken would have produced by splitting itself, the egg came with development

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Kitemantheque

Reply 12 years ago

Er, no....

Large, complex organisms do not reproduce by fission. Unicellular organisms (bacteria, protists et al) reproduce that way, larger multicellular organisms reproduce by budding or by sexual reproduction (male & female gametes leaving parents and fusing).

Egg-laying (even dry-land egg-laying) evolved long before the chicken - most invertebrates do it, most fish, and tortoises, turtles and crocodilians all did it before dinosaurs.

Since birds evolved from dinosaurs, it is silly to say the chicken came first. In point of fact, the first chicken egg was laid and cared-for by one of the last proto-chickens.

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GoodhartKiteman

Reply 12 years ago

Large, complex organisms do not reproduce by fission.

Tell that to a fertile human embryo ( LOL ) ;-)

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KitemanGoodhart

Reply 12 years ago

The accidental formation of twins is not a form of reproduction - the mechanism is still not fully understood, but it appears to be a fault in the normal growth mechanism which triggers division of the whole blastocyst instead of individual cells.

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GoodhartKiteman

Reply 12 years ago

I am, of course (jokingly) making reference to the fertile single cell that becomes "an organism, made up of organisms" whether it be mammalian, reptilian, avian, etc. :-)

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Mr Tenacious

12 years ago

The Egg!!! because originally it would have been a different species that evolved, the chicken was probably deformed but came out better, it's eggs were chickens........ so i think the egg even though it would have needed a parent

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Whaleman

12 years ago

hmm, you could say either one, seeing as DNA cannot be changed after birth, but keeping in mind that an egg needs a parent to feed, protect, and just to keep the egg warm, it seems as if an egg could not live without a chicken. So my guess is they came at the same time.

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KitemanWhaleman

Reply 12 years ago

There are numerous egg-bearers that lay their eggs and then abandon them, from wasps and butterflies to turtles, tortoises and several crocodilians.

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WhalemanKiteman

Reply 12 years ago

yeah, but I don't think that the chicken is one of those animals..........

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KitemanWhaleman

Reply 12 years ago

Just pointing out the fallacy in the logic. Eggs do not always require parenting, ergo, "eggs cannot hatch without parents" does not always hold.

There is a distant relative of the chicken ( the Scrub Turkey Eulipoa wallacei) which simply digs a hole in the soil, lays the eggs and then covers them up. they then leave the eggs to fend for themselves.

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WhalemanKiteman

Reply 12 years ago

well, yeah, I knew that not all eggs need parents, like turtles, so, yes you are correct.

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GoodhartWhaleman

Reply 12 years ago

don't you mean the Pre-chicken LOL

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WhalemanGoodhart

Reply 12 years ago

ummmmm, whyyy yeesssssssssss..... Of couurrsseeee

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GoodhartKiteman

Reply 12 years ago

The coo-coo bird is one (they're mean birds, the babies shove the other nestlings out of the nest and they hog the adopted mother's food and attention)

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GoodhartGoodhart

Reply 12 years ago

But then again, I haven't seen any Coo-Coo birds that resemble chickens, so that was probably irrelevant.

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whatsisface

12 years ago

I suppose the question should be rephrased into "What came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?" Because many other animals who evolved before chickens lag eggs.

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Goodhartwhatsisface

Reply 12 years ago

I still say the question should be: "which came first, the chicken or the fear that caused so many to become chicken" LOL

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whatsisfaceGoodhart

Reply 12 years ago

Thing is, to answer the original question, one must find the cut-off point where a predecessor of a chicken becomes a chicken. Only then can we answer this question, surely.

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Kitemanwhatsisface

Reply 12 years ago

The cut-off point is frequently purely arbitrary. I offer an article I wrote for the BBC as explanation (it was featured on the front page for a while).

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whatsisfaceKiteman

Reply 12 years ago

That's a fantastic article. So an I still right in thinking the egg came first? What if the question were "What came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?"? Would it be the same answer?

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Kitemanwhatsisface

Reply 12 years ago

Yes - the first chicken came out of the first chicken egg.

Confusingly (for some), the first chicken egg was not the first chicken's egg.

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Goodhartwhatsisface

Reply 12 years ago

Sorry for making light of your dilemma. To be honest, if we go by the standards of evolution, we would have to come to the conclusion that "neither" came first (not absolutely first). Those that believe in special creation, would say chicken because it would be difficult at best to hatch and raise Peeps without full grown poultry (although many a chat room seems to have done well with this). Oops, sorry, slipped again. I feel the whole matter is non sequitur.

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whatsisfaceGoodhart

Reply 12 years ago

I suppose we need a definition of chicken. Let's see:#
*A domestic fowl bred for flesh or eggs; believed to have been developed from the red jungle fowl
  • Chick (baby) hen (female) rooster (male). A flightless bird raised for meat.
*Chicken is a 2001 three-minute Irish short film directed by Barry Dignam about the way adolescent males sometimes redirect their feelings of affection for each other into often violent or competitive activities such as games of chicken.

I'm leaning towards the last one :-P. Thing is, I was unable to find a precise definition for a chicken, and so the question as a whole is vague until we can.
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Goodhartwhatsisface

Reply 12 years ago

With around 60 separate breeds of chicken out there, it may be difficult in deed to define "chicken". Each of those chickens falls into one or more of 12 classes.

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KentsOkay

12 years ago

Define: Was the egg that of a chicken, or was it the egg of two fowl bred by man to produce a chicken? It could be either.

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zachninme

12 years ago

Egg. What we'd classify as a chicken, started out as a mutation from an earlier species. Since you can't change your DNA after you're born, the egg was first.

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CameronSSzachninme

Reply 12 years ago

Nice explanation. For some reason, no one ever gets it when I explain it like that.

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ll.13

12 years ago

The chicken.

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ll.13chooseausername

Reply 12 years ago

Eggs need hatching, that includes a chicken sitting on it for 30 days. an egg cannot hatch itself.

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gyromild

12 years ago

The chicken of course.. The egg is the product of 2 two chickens (male/female) mating. And there no way an egg could hatch on its own..

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Goodhart

12 years ago

Maybe the question should be: which came first, the chicken or the fear that created the chicken? :-)

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Goodhart

12 years ago

Hmm, let's see, which came first, the "how many chickens crossed the road" joke, or the "how many eggs crossed the road" joke? Well, there you have it LOL

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GoodhartGoodhart

Reply 12 years ago

Make that "why did the chicken cross the road" joke as opposed to how many "why did the egg cross the road", joke.

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chooseausername

12 years ago

what came first the chicken or the egg?

The unicellular being.