10 Ways to Alter Your Consciousness Without Drugs




About: My name is Randy and I am a Community Manager in these here parts. In a previous life I had founded and run the Instructables Design Studio (RIP) @ Autodesk's Pier 9 Technology Center. I'm also the author ...

I'm typically not one for altered states of consciousness. I don't do drugs. I've never been drunk. In fact, the only time I can claim to have been synthetically high was when, against my will, I was injected with Fentanyl moments before being put under for surgery (and that high was not a pleasant experience). So, when I purchased a book Get High Now (without drugs) at a book sale, many of my friends and loved ones thought it extremely peculiar. When I set out to make an Instructable along the same theme, they felt I had perhaps come unhinged.

This whole endeavor is highly out of character for me. I am not one to seek out altered states of consciousness, and everyone seemed plain confused as to why I suddenly wanted to (and without drugs, no less). Some friends wanted to know if this meant I would go out drinking with them now. Others simply wanted to know who I was, where I came from, and what I did with the real Randy. All of that said, I am not particularly certain what made all of this resonate with me so strongly, but I found it compelling enough to give it a try.

Collected here are are a number of techniques for altering your consciousness. All of these have been vetted by myself and found to be effective for me on some level. That means that I did try and reject a few consciousness altering exercises that might work for others. The most notable rejection was transcendental meditation. I could not get it to do much of anything for me other than make my legs stiff. Really, the only thing I found transcendental meditation good for was striking a nice pose for the main image of this Instructable.

While none of these 10 approaches are as consciousness-altering as being injected with Fentanyl, I can say that they will all make you perceive the world in alternative ways.

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Step 1: Sleep Deprivation

The body and mind need rest in order to operate at peak performance. When the body and mind do not get the required amounts of rest time, they start doing weird things. Envision for a moment a talking children's toy with dying batteries. The voice slows down and distorts and the moving parts twitch helplessly as they try in vain to move. In some way, this is a good metaphor for sleep deprivation.

If you have ever gone longer than twenty four hours without sleep, chances are that you experienced some form of altered state as a result of sleep deprivation. In fact, the more days that you go without sleeping, the more dramatic the altered state becomes. A small sample of things that you might expect to experience while sleep deprived include strange social interactions, a slowing of cognitive ability, and a distorted sense of self.

My experience:
The longest that I have stayed awake has been three and a half days. By the middle of the third day I was trying to talk to people, but primarily mumbling incoherently to myself. In turn, people would talk to me and I would answer, but not know what I was saying. There was a strange feeling of detachment from my surroundings. My reaction time slowed down and my actions were lethargic. I was there, but not there. Sometimes I would start doing things and not know why. It was as if everything - even my most immediate concerns - were happening in my periphery.

I finally found myself on the train on my way home from work. I kept falling asleep standing up. I tried to combat this by sitting down for a few minutes and then standing up for a few more minutes. I think I might have also been mumbling to myself to stay awake, but I can't fully remember. At the point, it was hard for me to tell what I was doing. After about eighty-five hours of being awake, I managed to make the seemingly eternal 3-block trek home from the train station. When I finally made it home, I laid down in bed, and passed out for a solid eighteen hours. The whole experience was rather unsettling, but definitely interesting.

Step 2: Binaural Beats

Binaural beats are created by playing two loud tones in each ear that are very close in frequency. The brain processes this by filling in the difference and creating a third tone that is roughly the difference of the two. For instance, if you play a 400 Hz tone in one ear and 410 Hz tone in the other, your brain will create a binaural tone of 10 Hz. The theory behind this is that you can create specific audio clips that when played in your ears will stimulate your brain to produce a tone that corresponds with one of the naturally occurring brain states.

The five cognitive states that your brain operates within are Gamma (>40 Hz), Beta (13 - 39 Hz), Alpha (7 - 13 Hz), Theta (4 - 7 Hz) and Delta (<4 Hz). As the frequencies decrease, cognitive focus and alertness decrease, and you start moving into more meditative states, until you finally find yourself in deep delta sleep. There are a ton of websites online with different sound clips which produce tones in all of the mental states (except gamma, as the frequencies that create binaural beats can't be greater than 30 Hz apart). By listening to different audio clips optimized for different brain states, it is possible to alter your consciousness.

My experience:
I went into this experiment with expectation that this was a bunch of new age hippie nonsense and wouldn't result in much, but to my surprise, I must say that listening to this audio does in fact have an effect on my conscious states. Aside from the immediately obvious phantom third tone echoing throughout my head, I experienced a change in mood depending on which tone was being played. When i listened to an alpha-targeted binaural beat for a few minutes I started to feel very calm. And, when I listen to a beta-targeted clip, I became somewhat restless and agitated.

To keep things interesting, I did not research exactly what the different clips were supposed to do prior to listening to them, but upon looking them up later, most of them induced a feeling in line with that particular brain state. That said, I feel that there is something more to these clips than merely being a pure placebo effect.

Step 3: Hypnagagic Induction

Having just touched upon different brain states, hypnagagic induction is an exercise to maintain a constant theta state. This is not something that is typically easily accomplished as the theta state tends to be a transitory state between an alert (beta) state and deep sleep (delta).

The goal of this exercise is to not allow the brain to enter the delta state and stay in the Theta state for as long as possible. This is easily accomplished by sticking an arm up in the air while you are trying to go to sleep. When your body slips out of consciousness, your arm should drop down and wake you enough for you to put your arm back in the air. Ideally, the exercise would end by waking up and writing down some of the thoughts you had while you were semi-lucid and your mind was wandering. However, often you just end up falling asleep.

My experience:
The first time I tried this, I was only able to maintain that state for a few moments before my arm dropped. The more that I tried, the longer that I was able to maintain this state. On a typical night I would try to do about five to ten repetitions of raising and dropping my arm. I found that more often than not I fell to sleep instead of waking myself back up to reflect on my thoughts. The first few times I managed to wake I had trouble recalling what it was that I had been thinking about. After a while this got a little bit easier, but I still had some trouble remembering all that had occurred in mind. While this mental state is interesting to experience, and this trick for maintaining it is quite fun, I can't say that I got much of value out of doing this.

Step 4: Self-Hypnotism

I once saw a bunch of lobsters get hypnotized and stood upright on their heads. This was pretty cool, but a bit disturbing to watch (especially since they were then boiled alive). Ever since, the idea of being hypnotized by anyone - even myself - kind of makes me uneasy. I am not sure whether it is an aversion to trance states, or whether I simply am afraid of being boiled alive. Perhaps it is both. Any which way, the idea of inducing myself into a deep disconnected hyper-suggestive state is mildly unnerving. Yet, tons of people claim this works, so I had to at least give it a go. What I found was that it does indeed work and is rather kind of cool. I have yet to see any long term effects from doing it, but I can definitely put myself in a mild trance state.

My experience:
There are a ton of different approaches for self-hypnotism, but they are all basically along the same lines. I tried a few and then found an approach that worked for me that is a synthesis of about three or four other routines.

I start by creating a mantra of something private about myself that I would like to change. I write this down as to internalize it and set it aside. I now recline in a comfortable chair. I close my eyes and breathe deeply. I tense my body for a few seconds and then release. Working my way from my head down, I tell myself that I am relaxing my muscles (shoulders, arms, chest, etc.). Continuing to breathe deep I feel all of my body start to very slowly relax and sink. I am now in a dark deep cave. There is a pool of water in the cave. I step in and continue walking down deeper. I tell myself that the water is now up to my ankles, knees, waist, etc. I feel a tingling rising throughout my body as I go deeper and deeper. Finally, I am completely underwater and floating in an infinitely dark pool.

I tell myself that I am completely relaxed. I feel as though I am sinking deeper and deeper. I am now floating in a deep calm void. I repeat the mantra I wrote down earlier to myself. After some time I will start to emerge from this place back into the pool. I will slowly rise out of the pool. First my head, then my shoulders, then my waist, etc. Finally, I will step out of the pool and walk out of the cave. I slowly open my eyes and amazingly about twenty minutes have past.

Against all personal skepticism, I have induced myself into a trance and risen out of it. It was not merely a matter of relaxing myself, but I felt myself actually transition into a trance state. It was as though I sunk into the back of my head, into the farthest reaches of my brain. I can't really explain it, but it was very cool. As to whether or not the mantra I brought into the trances with me will have any long term effect, I cannot say.

Step 5: Isolation Tanks

I have been intrigued by isolation tanks ever since I was first introduced to the concept in college. At first, I was skeptical of the idea. Yet, as the years have gone on and I have garnered more life-experience to draw from, I had grown slightly more convinced of their effectiveness (to the point of curiosity). I decided to try one for myself and see if it created an out-of-body euphoric experience or simply resulted in a panic attack and ear infection. So, one normal afternoon, I trekked out to Float: Flotation Center and Art Gallery in Oakland and gave it a shot.

My experience:
Float is a little bit tricky to find, but I made it out there with a little bit of time to spare (in spite of always getting lost in Oakland). When I got there I noticed that the art gallery front room was filled with some pretty cool plasma globe art. This kind of distracted me and made me a little less apprehensive about climbing into a closed box full of salt water. There was another woman who arrived there at the same time as me for a session, and since we were both first time "floaters," we both got the 10-minute introduction. It started with a little history of the machine, followed by the science behind the tank, and lastly a crash course on what to expect and how to behave inside the tank. The short summation is that the tank is filled with 1,000 pounds of medical grade epsom salt and this is diluted in about 10 inches of water. No matter what you do, you are going to float. Turning over is very difficult, and if you do, you are going to regret it as your eyes will burn for a long time. That said, the chance of falling asleep and drowning is almost nonexistent. The idea is to lay on your back, clear your mind and try to enter a deep meditation. Most first timers enter a prolonged theta state inside the machine, but with some practice, you can fall into a deep sleep in the delta state.

With that introduction, I rinsed off, privately took off all of my clothes, entered the tank, and shut the door behind me. It took a few moments to get used to being in a dark closed space filled with super-saturated salt water. Once I had my bearings I began to try to fall asleep. I couldn't. I was very awakened by the experience. Some more time passed. I suddenly felt my feet start to sink and head start to rise. I moved my body to stop this, which was when I realized that my body was not actually moving. I tried to do make this floating feeling happen again. With some practice I could spin around in all directions without actually having moved. Being a metaphorical weightless disembodied brain in a giant vat was starting to be fun. I was in a trance state akin to being self-hypnotized without actually having to hypnotize myself. All I really had to do was climb in and lay there.

After a while I could no longer easily tell if my eyes were open or shut. I began having visual day dreams. These were typically centered around flying or being a ship on the ocean with moonlight shining on me. I could see the moonlight. This continued for what seemed like 15 minutes and I started to get dizzy and a little bit nauseous. I tried repositioning myself and shifting my center of gravity. Not really having a center of gravity, I kind of did a sideways nose dive like fighter planes often do. I grabbed for the side of the tank and reassured myself that I wasn't actually moving. It was at this moment that I realized that perhaps encouraging out-of-body weightless spinning was not a good idea. I worked at being calm and still. I found a position in which I became an immovable object that was hugged tightly on all sides by the universe. This was quite nice. I liked this. I was finally getting into the groove of this whole isolation tank thing when I heard 3 knocks on the door and knew I had to get out and take a shower.

I was a little off-balanced when I finally sat up, and forgot to follow the directions of how not to get salt water in my eyes. Needless to say, I managed to get some salt water in my eye. This burned like there was no tomorrow. I went and rinsed off. I was a bit dizzy still, but had this weird calm feeling about me. I cannot explain it. When I finally went downstairs and had some tea (Float ends sessions with a cup of tea and gets an A+ for all-around experience), I was kind of feeling - for lack of a better term - strange. I cannot think of any other experience I have had quite like it. I would definitely consider trying it again and recommend it to anyone curious to try.

Step 6: Fasting

Fasting has been used by numerous cultures throughout the century as a way to cleanse the mind and body. Adherents of fasting claim that once you get past your body's hunger reflex, you start to experience things more clearly and, depending on your religious leaning, experience a deeper relationship with God. I'm not particularly a religious man, but I recently tried a 24 hour fast in the Jewish tradition; that being with no food or water.

My experience:
I started my fast at sundown the night before with a large meal. Rather than sitting on the couch thinking about leftover pizza all day, I set out on a vision quest. Basically, the following afternoon, I trekked through my neighborhood and walked up a bunch of stairs to the top of a very big hill. When I got to the top I was a bit light-headed and tired. My stomach had stopped grumbling at this point. I can't say that I had any grand vision atop that hill, but I definitely fatigued, not quite "thinking straight." I walked down the hill and went home. I proceeded to sit on the couch and think about food and water. My mouth was dry. I had a headache. My stomach would grumble loudly once and a while to remind me that I had not been eating. I laid there until roughly sundown and then had some bagels.

Overall, I would say that my consciousness had been altered. However, I would also say that it was an entirely negative experience that I will not soon be repeating. Albeit I am not a religious man, I would say that if there was a greater power out there, they intended for us to eat and drink.

Step 7: Biofeedback

Biofeedback enables you to monitor and affect physiological functions that are otherwise not immediately apparent. It does this by taking body functionality that you otherwise would not be able to easily sense, and represents them as sound, visuals, or tactile sensations. One popular thing to sense with biofeedback is the frequency your brain is functioning at (this is called neurofeedback). Using an EEG machine you could monitor brain waves and train your brain to function at certain frequencies. For instance, if you want to be more focused, you can train yourself to induce a hyper-alert beta brain state. This may sound like science fiction, but is actually quite extensively researched and practiced.

My experience:
One simple biofeedback exercise is to monitor neck muscle tension using EMG and train yourself to relax them to prevent tension headaches. Since I sometimes get neck stiffness and headaches on my left side, I decided to give this a try. I built my own EMG setup and configured it as outlined in this DIY EMG Biofeedback Instructable. I tried it for a few days to see if I could relieve muscle tension in my neck and found the results promising. It became increasingly easier to relax my neck muscles. I feel like that with more practice I will be able to control my neck tension without an EMG setup. Being able to prevent headaches by thinking about relaxing muscle groups is one way to subtly alter your mental state.

Step 8: Clary Sage Bath

I read that adding Clary Sage oil to a nice warm bath has a bit of a calming effect. While it is easy to be skeptical of "hippie things" like aroma therapy baths, I found this one very much worked as advertised. It worked so well, that I would heed warning and not try this while drinking alcohol (it is supposed to have strong narcotic effects).

My experience:
After a few minutes - to my surprise - I started to feel a heaviness in my temples and a sense of lightheadedness. This was a little bit unnerving at first, but after a few more minutes I started to feel very relaxed - very - very - relaxed. My motor skills seemed to be a bit off as well. I reached out to turn the spigot and add more hot water into the tub and missed it. I decided to stop reaching for things and just sit back and relax.

I was now very calm. I closed my eyes. I was hearing all of the sounds around me. I heard water occasionally drip from the faucet, cars driving past a few blocks away on the main road, and a dog bark way off in the distance. Typically, when I take a bath, I spend most of my time wrapped up in thought, but I found myself instead simply relaxed and my mind very clear of thought. It was like I had sunk into the world's most comfortable chair and could not get up. Eventually I managed to break free of the peaceful grip of the tub. The very relaxed and lightheaded feeling persisted for some time afterwards.

Step 9: Staring at a Candle

Okay. This seems kind of silly, but if you sit in a dark room and stare at a candle for ten minutes while trying not to blink, you will experience subtle visual hallucinations. This sounds too simplistic to actually work, but I begrudgingly admit that it does. Which brings me too...

My experience:
At first it was hard to keep focused on the candle without blinking. After about a minute this task started to become easier. My eyes focused on the light and began to relax and the candle doubled in vision. After a while longer there started to be a glowing red and yellow sphere around the flame. Then, I blinked. I had to start over. I got to seeing the sphere, blinked, and started over again. This time I began to see a sphere and pushed through my desire to blink. My entire field of vision began to become wavy and finally the sphere appeared to be shooting arcs of light out of it kind of like a lightning globe. This was not the most exciting thing I ever saw, but definitely was a visual hallucination. I wasn't able to maintain it for long because then I blinked, my vision reset itself and I quit because I figured I took this about as far as I could. When I was done, I turned on the lights and had a blue and red dot burnt into the center of my field of vision for about five minutes. This alarmed me enough not to ever try this again. I suggest that you don't try this either.

Step 10: Go Upside Down

This seems kind of simplistic, but turning upside down will change the way you perceive things on two levels. First, it will change your visual perspective. The ceiling becomes the floor. Floor lamps become chandeliers. Things in general just get strange. That aside, if you stay upside down for more than a few seconds, you will get a rush of blood to your head. The heart has not evolved not to pump blood against gravity very well and standing on your head means that more blood will settle there. Over a short period this will result in a mildly-altered state of consciousness. Over a long period, this can result in bad things like stroke, heart attack or blindness. I don't recommend standing on your head for very long.

My experience:
While I initially resolved simply to lean upside down over the edge of the couch, I decided to go all out and fully stand on my head. I cannot remember the last time that I had stood on my head, and it was a bit more of a challenge than I remember. However, I leaned against a wall, and once I got up, I was very stable and confident in that position (minus the discomfort of my whole entire body weight pushing down on my neck). After about 30 seconds, my orientation changed and what was up was down; and down was now up.

I was just hanging out here checking things out for about another two to three minutes when I started to feel a throbbing pressure in my head. This was the feeling of blood rushing in. I held this for another 30 seconds and suddenly things did not feel quite right. I decided that perhaps balancing on my head in this state for much longer was not a good idea. I carefully returned to my feet and was very light-headed and dizzy. Aside from a stiff neck, things were feeling good, and perhaps I was imagining things, but my vision seemed sharper.

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    2 years ago

    Very interesting. I'm certainly going to try some of these recommendations. I already meditate everyday and use different techniques to focus or relax... I have not lived numerous trances but I have had a very interesting experience following a very intense meditation. I'm fascinated by physics (quantum mechanics, relativity, q-loop gravity...) and one night, after a very intense and deep meditation, I fell into a very weird state of consciousness and intense focus while thinking of some of the key elements of these theories. During this intense but extremely relax exercise it felt like my brain and my body got separated... my focus was so intense and, at the same time I could feel that I did not have the regular sensation of the mental barriers we usually have and as a result I could think very "very" clearly and accurately. For a few seconds I understood so many things at the same time and I felt so "connected" with the world... the feeling is indescribable. I could continue to feel the results of this trance for days afterwards and when I'm at peace, I can feel it again sometimes.

    The results of these thoughts are quite personal but I can clearly state that this experience has changed me for life. Keep exploring! Very good "instructable".

    Thanks again!

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    Reply 2 years ago

    Well sir....Do you have any idea what you achieved...You are almost to the point of realization....This is what our Sanskrit books and sages talked about...The day you realize you are not your body nor your mind..That's what happened to you


    2 years ago

    Very interesting read! I tried altering (or rather: expanding) my consciousness both ways. One of my 'natural' favourites is sleep deprivation. It's incredibly effective. The brain works differently after some days and nights without sleep. My mind becomes crystal clear and paranoid (which I enjoy a lot) and I start getting mild hallucinations and draw new connections between thoughts/things/myself and whatever.. and the room around me starts shifting slightly, I'm super alert, feel like my eyesight increases, I experience colours differently... Incredible!

    But I also altered my consciousness permanently through the studies of occultism, astrology, mysticism... There's SO many things to learn! You start to question a LOT of things and yourself if you're really into it, it's fascinating! I started studying it intenesely three years ago and within a few weeks I started to "realise".. It's difficult to explain, you have to experience it.

    Also: MUSIC!!! Good music can seriously get you high! For me it's laying down in my bed, lights out, earphones, full volume and Led Zeppelin's first LP.


    3 years ago

    I am always wondering whether meditation etc just work because you focus on breathing, giving your brain more oxygen and getting your elevation from this. Many people have a job where they sit, undoubtedly very unhealthy, and your organs,..., get more pressure than they should (that's why some people need to go to the toilet more often, pressure on the bladder (a rhyme never made before:-P). Most people pay attention to sit upright during meditation,etc which already takes SOME pressure away, improving breathing. Long story short: Try to focus on breathing(long in - long out) and a good posture :-) (Works for every religion,non-religion and other spiritual ways of living; even when you go for a walk with your dog, play table-tennis,,...).

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    Reply 2 years ago

    there is a part of what you write that is correct... another part results/emerges from the meditation itself after a while. Life is not only to understand things it is also to live things. Some things are better explained when lived... if you want to try meditation, register to Audible - you'll get a free book - and download a book that explains and guides you. My personal favorite is Shinzen Young's The Science of Enlightenment... Especially if you are the scientific/rational type like me... everything is explained. And no, I make no $ here... just a recommendation from personal experience! Salute!


    Reply 2 years ago

    Hey there, I took a look at the reviews of your recommended book, it seems that it is somehow controversial. Since I'm not using Audible, I wouldn't download it; but there was this one review which recommends some other books, maybe they are interesting for you !?

    1.) The Spiritual Brain: Science and Religious Experience, Professor Andrew Newberg, 2012

    2.) Practicing Mindfulness: An Introduction to Meditation, Professor Mark W. Muesse, 2011

    3.) Buddha's Brain: The Practical Neuroscience of Happiness, Love, and Wisdom, Hanson & Mendius, 2009


    4 years ago

    I pray every day as a Christian. If I pray for more than say, 5 minutes consecutively, when I open my eyes, I usually have a feeling of sensory overload for a second. I know studies out of Duke University have shown that prayer has actual physical effects (on you, AND the people you pray for, but that is a different topic). I would say that the difference between prayer and meditation is the focus. Meditation focuses inward, prayer focuses OUTWARD. Meditation fosters a sense of self, prayer aligns your mind with the realities of the world, and prompts you with ideas and ways to act them out for the good of the world. It gives you compassion for the person you are praying for. You increasingly become more mature and less selfish.

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    kerry.smallman e-beth

    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    Having done both, I agree with what you've said about prayer, but I would disagree with your views on meditation.

    Buddhist meditation causes a feeling of no self and Hindu meditation can lead to feelings of being 'at one with the universe'. It is therefore not some form of selfish naval-gazing, but is a path to connecting with and helping those around you (just like prayer).


    Reply 2 years ago

    Agree with you kerry.smallman. The sense of self disappears over time in meditation and only the "connection to the world" remains. Some prayers in every religions achieve the same results and I would suggest e-beth, if he/she prefers to meditate/pray using techniques develops in her religion, to search for monastery prayers and practices. There are many in the Christian religion as well as in all the others.


    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    Ah, yes. I didn't mean for it to sound like meditation was selfish. Sorry! I was thinking more like this-losing self and/or being one with the universe is very different than submitting the self to the will of the Biblical God. The change originator is God, since He is perfect, and we are not. IIRC, Buddah did not declare himself perfectly divine? I know that he is often regarded that way, but was his purpose to speak to each individual as they mediate for all eternity with omnipotent wisdom? That is not a rhetorical question, I do not know.
    The mind altering experience of prayer is supposed to be a permanent life change conformation to the Biblical God's revealed word. That Word (the Bible) is relentless in its exhortations to put God first, others second, and self third.

    Blaise_Gauba e-beth

    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    First of all...what is god? In the ancient teachings of meditation...the same teachings that Yeshua (Jesus) studied in the Far East, in Tibet, Nepal and in India...he learned that the disfigured and misinterpreted god that Western Christians think of today...IS nirvana. God is not a person...or even an entity, nor even a personality...god is a state of mind...a state of consciousness...a state of being...and when you reach that state...you are what is considered to be in nirvana...at peace with The All That There Is.

    WE are god. God is an expression of The All That There Is...ALL consciousness on all levels, from the Devic Souls that represent the weather, water, and nature spirits, to what we consider the higher forms of consciousness, meaning intelligent, sentient, self-aware and ensouled physical beings, such as humans, cetaceans, great apes...and perhaps pachyderms. There might be others that we are not aware of...but then, we're not perfect, right?...At least...not yet.

    See...religious folk tend to separate themselves out from their intrinsic connection to their true inner self and project outwardly an image (make up whatever image you want...and as we've seen over the eons...many have and still do) of a "fatherly" (or motherly) figure who watches over them. That is O.K., there is nothing wrong with that. We are spiritual beings and we all evolve on different levels and at different rates of time and speed. There is no race for the soul to evolve. Sentient, self-aware (and intelligent?) species (at least those that become highly technologically advanced) destroy planets (and themselves) at an amazing rate. But that is why the universe is such an immense place. Life sustaining planets are a dime a dozen in this almost infinite universe...and to us anyway...it might as well be infinite.

    But then, consciousness is infinite...so why would the universe be any different? Since WE created it anyway!

    I know, I know...Blasphemy!


    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    who told you that Jesus studied in the Far East ? in Tibet, Nepal and in India ? Where you there with him when he studied there ? did you share the same dorm or what ? Christ Jesus is an aspect of the Holy Trinity, of GOD, and so, he existed before the Earth was even created to witness Buddhism ! With all my respect to Buddhism and the wonderful Eastern Wisdom, but Christ Jesus was NOT a scholar of those schools as presumed by many... and, we have not yet reached an evolutionary state where we can destroy planets and build new ones as you stated. We are still Gods in the making. The only known intelligent being to humanity until now, who had the perfect ability to control planet earth from within is the Christ Spirit which was embodied in Jesus, the PERFECT MAN, for a period of 3 years from age 30 till 33 when the pure blood of Jesus on the Cross carried the Christ Spirit to the soils of our earth to be able to work on it from within, purify it from the sin of ignorance, through a continuous process summarized in the Mystery of Golgotha, throughout the years, reaching our present time and beyond until we have become sufficiently purified to meet Christ in the air, or in other words, that we, by living lives of devotion, service and love, will raise our planet to a higher level, until it reaches the Etheric Plane, where we can meet Christ in the air ... Even then, we are still Gods in the making, but when we really become Gods capable of Creation, or Creators of Universes and Cosmos, about that hour, no one knows, not even the Angels and Archangels as by then we would have superseded them in evolution.


    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    Wow! Truly, you are so smart. You ALSO seem to know what's what with what. Well...good for you. Oh yeah...what do self-proclaimed "Christians?" say in response to the years that Jesus seemed to be missing? Where was he from age twelve to when he finally reappeared decades later when he was in his forties?

    Why is YOUR bible THE answer to the history of what people "think" was Yeshua's life? What makes YOU right and ME wrong? Because you have a book that says so? Funny.


    Being nonphysical except in times of manifestation, these high souls do not need a motto.

    The transcendental soul experiences others as itself. Telepathic rapport and psychic union occur. These exalted souls seldom seek reincarnation in the physical body. If they do, it is usually because of the spiritual and/or philosophical ennui existing on the planet, and then they normally precede the decent of the realized masters by less than one hundred years. The transcendental soul can enter the physical body and displace an old soul at any time (as was the case with Yeshau/Jesus) during the life cycle. It has happened that the presence of the transcendental soul alone was enough to provoke the needed spiritual, philosophical, or cultural revolution.

    The infinite soul perceives the Tao.

    The transcendental soul sedom "seeks" any sort of formal education, although it will go along cheerfully unless the education interferes too greatly with its purpose. Then the transcendental soul will gently, but firmly, break away.

    The infinite soul has direct access to to all knowledge and has no need for education of any type.

    The transcendental soul perceives the synthesis and teaches it as such. It will not espouse popular dogma and does not affiliate with organized religion.

    The religion of the infinite soul is the Logos.

    Neither the transcendental soul, nor the infinite soul, pursues physical union. Quite often, however, the high causal body or the high mental body displaces an older soul, and at the time of the manifestation, the sexual activity ceases. These souls are not challenged by maya.

    Question: What can we do to bring about the manifestation of a transcendental or an infinite soul on the physical plane?

    We could do nothing. That is true of all, without the other forces holding the universe together. All of these combined are necessary to perpetuate the cycles. Knowing how it happens does not give you carte blanche to go and do it. Many people were dissapointed in Jesus because he did nothing physical about their woes. This will be the case again. The infinite soul does not come to lead the troops. The infinite soul come to bring the Logos to bear. It is up to you to listen and take your own action.

    Question: And how does all that apply to those of us on the physical plane now?

    Examine the natures of the various stages of growth in the soul. The level of perception and the nature of the soul's understanding within a cycle is critical here. It now happens that on this planet the vast majority of souls are Young and Mature souls, well over one and half billion. The Baby Souls and Infant Souls together equal the number of Old Souls now. This has not always been so, but life on this planet is evolving to the point where there will be no more Infant Soul Entities cast into this frame. At that point the majority will be either Mature or Old Souls. There is an end point of course, to all worlds, when the star exhausts itself. The evolution of life within a given solar system is always geared to not exceed the life of the star. In other worlds, all life on this planet will have evolved and completed long before this star expands to become a red giant and eventually shrinks into a remnant dwarf.

    Human spirits reincarnate in human form without exception. The only karma incurred of importance relates to other people. However, there are sometimes unresolved emotional conflicts in the entity. We have said that astral matter can be used to materialize self and other objects. The entity then chooses to create the hunted and the experience of the hunt. From that dimension this experience is real, in the sense that it is needed to play out a scene.

    Comment: "But that's contrary to most Eastern scripture!"

    We are sorry to distress you, but we must remind you that scripture has been in error before.

    Comment: "I'm certain I can remember being an animal!"

    There are explanations for that. It is possible for the entity not earthbound elemental to throw off fragments (souls) and crate earthbound elemental forms. This does happen, but it is not a true evolution. This is possible only for an entity no longer earthbound. The earthbound entities cannot hold on to the fragments (souls). By earthbound we speak of those with un-burned karmic ribbons who must still return (re-incarnate). The causal entity has the ability to create earthbound elementary forms and throw a fragment (soul) of the entity to that form for its earthbound experiences. This only becomes necessary occasionally and is rare. There are some strong ties with certain earth elementals. The problem has arisen more often than not among those who hunt and eat the flesh of animals. That fragment (soul) sometimes becomes a "restless spirit".

    Question: "How are all these various soul ages distributed? You have said that this is a Young Soul world. Are you talking about a bell curve or a parabolic curve, or what?"

    You are right about the bell curve. The majority of all creatures of reason are Young and Mature souls right now because of the closeness of the manifestation of the High Mental Body.

    Question: "Wait a minute. If there's limited perception within the cycles, but a kind of astral review between lives, what happens? Isn't the soul limited by its soul age and level?"

    Not between lives. Soul level is the function of the Physical Plane.The soul is not of the Physical Plane. How could it possibly have gender and what good would it be? There is no gender to an entity, and the souls of an entity have no gender. Male and female are factors of the Physical Plane.

    The social behavior of Baby Souls is narmally a dead giveaway. They have none of the smoothness of he older cycles. New situations frighten them. Change of any type is threatening. The Young Soul is usually polished and poised socially. The Mature Soul is sometimes nervous in crowds if the vibrations are bad, but they are exacting in their social relationships. The Old Soul is casual about everything. Baby Souls tend to be immaculate about person and home, have strong feelings about hygiene. They live by standard clichés, and after all, "Cleanliness is next to Godliness." The Young Soul often keeps external appearances: shove everything into the closet before the company comes. The Mature Soul goes in spurts: one day clean, the next day, not too clean. The Old Soul usually does not bother to shove anything into the closet. Who cares? The Baby Soul regularly cleans drawers, cupboards, and the tops of refrigerators. Let it be known that intellect is not a factor in any of these cycles.

    The Infinite Soul manifested through the physical forms of Lao-Tzu, Sri Krishna, Siddhartha Guatma, Mohammed, and through Mohandas K. Gandhi. The Transcendental Soul manifested in Jesus. Jesus is not and was NOT god. Nor did he ever manifest BEFORE the creation of the Earth of even this solar system. That belief is a creation of the ego-mind (false personality) of feeble-minded men who either wanted to truly lead other "lost" souls...or wanted to CONTROL other people through manipulation.

    All spiritual books are written by human beings...not by gods. They may be well-intentioned...but that does not mean that they aren't controlled by their false personalities...i.e., their egos.

    All religious fanatics are the same as all other religious fanatics...they just keep sheepishly referring to their "holy" books as if those books are the [only] answer to the questions of our origins as spiritual beings...and as human beings.

    Luckily, for me...I can think for myself.


    Reply 3 years ago

    first of all, my information do not come from any book and from no one, it comes when i pray and meditate. Nothing of what I said is mentioned in the bible exactly as i mentioned it, and, not found in the christian church as well. the lost years of Jesus where with the 'ESSENES', if you know anything about them, a secret order of which nothing is known but to those who pray, those who meditate and those who ask and will be given. Jesus was not a cholar of any school of those you mention, he and his parents belong to the Order of Essenes, and you cna make your own researches, maybe you will have another point of view, it is up to you. Personally, this is my belief, I respect yours, you have your freedom of choice, and I have mine, so do not impose your beliefs on people, and try to develop much more communication skills for your benefit. Jesus physical body was being trained by the Essenes to be able to receive the Christ Spirit that ministered though HIM from age 30 to 33 only ! and there is lot of information around that, but, you seem to be blocked out with your own dogma, stay with it... and please, do not hit me a reply because if you do so you willl only be knocking on a closed door, unless, you come with a positive attitude when you train yourself on good communication skills, if your teachings ever teach this !


    Reply 3 years ago

    Actually, the name Jesus comes from a Greek root word meaning "death" or "to die". His real name was Jmmanuel (pronounced: Emanuel). Check out Billy Meier's books on the history of Jmmaneul. Find out why long after Jmmanuel died (between the age of 110 and 115) he was given the name Jesus. It was a ancient Greek curse word used on people who blasphemed or spoke about the True Source of The All That There Is...or call it god if you want. Because Jmmanuel spoke about Universal Consciousness, and spoke about the One True God, which went against the pagan gods of the Roman Empire and the various other pagan religions and their various gods and goddesses, Jmmanuel and those like him, were cursed with the word jesus. Don't believe me? Look it up. Do some real research. Jesus is actually NOT a name. And what is weird, is that there are so many people out there who really do use the word jesus as a curse word! As it was meant to be used! lol! Only thing is, all words are powerful.

    One should be careful with their language, how they think, how they speak, who how they speak to and treat other people is very important. Truthfulness and honesty is important as well. Treat others as you would want yourself to be treated.


    Reply 4 years ago

    Well, I guess you are mostly following Hindu ideas?
    Christianity is a religion with a historical basis in the real person of Jesus who lived in Nazareth. He claimed to be God and performed many miracles including raising from the dead. This made many people at the time accuse HIM of blasphemy! The Jews were waiting for Messiah to come, but did not believe that Jesus was He. Hence, the crucifixion. You are free to believe what you will,
    but you come across as kind of arrogant to say all of Christianity is wrong and that basically the whole Bible is inaccurate. Not a great way to prove you are enlightened my friend.

    Blaise_Gauba e-beth

    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    Oh...I never claimed that I am enlightened. I think there is only an extremely small handful of truly "enlightened" human beings on this planet at any given time. By the way...the original "scriptures" that the "bible" are based on weren't even written until between sixty to ninety years AFTER the death of Jesus. Only in the fallible bible does it say that Jesus claimed to be god. In truth, what he actually said was: "I am the son of god...and you are my brothers and sisters." Meaning: "We are ALL the children of god." But as is always the case with zealots and religious control freaks (I'm not saying that that is what you are, but the leaders of the main religions of the world throughout human history are and have been), is that human beings, especially small minded, greedy, self-serving, arrogant, ignorant and power hungry little people with tiny little minds, once in power...discover how much they like having the power they hold, and then the true meaning of ANY religion...no matter which one it is...tends to hold no meaning whatsoever any longer.

    And no...I am not "following" Hindu Ideas...as I do not "follow" any particular religion. Instead, I would say that I am a spiritualist. I believe in spirit. I just don't refer to spiritual consciousness as god. I don't need to go to a church or a temple or a mosque to get my spiritual guidance. Some people need that. That's O.K., I respect that. As long as religious folks keep their religions in their homes and in their churches and in their temples and in their mosques...I can respect their religions. Just keep their religious ideologies out of my government...out of my children's schools...out of and off of my mother's...my wife's, my sister's and my daughter's bodies...and perhaps keep them out of and off of my body as well.

    Anyway...no where did Jesus ever claim to BE god and the miracles he did perform were because he was an acultist. He was a master at manifestation. He was a Seventh Level Old King and living his last life on Earth when he finally passed from this plane of existence. But he never actually claimed to BE god. That is a massive misinterpretation by the small minded little people who for all the various reasons small minded little people misinterpret the various spiritual teachings of the enlightened spiritual teachers throughout human history have taught.

    Even Jesus said: "Build no temples in my name." and what did all the small minded little people end up doing? They placed Jesus on a pedestal and called him a god. That is EXACTLY what he DIDN'T want. One of the problems with two thousand years of time between our culture and the culture of Jesus' time is that there is a massive language barrier as well as a massive cultural barrier. Honestly, no one seems to understand what spiritual teachers ever seem to be teaching. But the basic teachings of the big three were to not judge each other, turn the other cheek...which is why Jesus was talking about and teaching people about Karma. But no one now seems to get it. Why turn the other cheek? Because, what goes around, comes around. Doesn't have to be in THIS lifetime.

    The Jews were smart...very intelligent people. They clearly understood that Jesus was not a god...that he was a man...that he was a rabbi...a teacher...and that obviously he wasn't born in some silly immaculate conception from a virgin. He was a normal human being who lived like all other human beings did on the same biological level as everyone else. The fact that he was a spiritually ascended master is another thing entirely.

    The bible is inaccurate in many things. Much of what Jesus said that was written in the bible is correct...but is misinterpreted by most Christians. But in the end...who cares? When we die...we will all find out what's what. Right? I know that I am not going to a place called heaven nor a place called hell. Those are inventions of the human psyche. But we will all find out soon enough. We do live short lives. So make the best of them. :-)

    Also...you accused me of being arrogant...but doesn't that also go the same for those who call themselves Christian or believe in Christianity? Isn't it arrogant of ANY religious person to tell an agnostic like me that they are right and I am wrong? Could I not then accuse them also of being arrogant?

    Anyway...this has been an excellent subject and a wonderful debate. Thank you all for such lively intercourse.


    Reply 4 years ago

    Well, I'm not sure where you got the authority to declare the world's largest religion, the best selling book of all time and the man that split history "silly". What exactly are your credentials? How many times have you read the entire Bible? How do you serve mankind? My church in my little town feeds the hungry, visits the sick, takes refugees into their homes, adopts children in foster care, builds wells in several continents, fixes up old cars and gives them to people, adopts special needs teenagers, offers free couseling, I could go on and on. My faith has taken me around the world and I've seen people's lives change from night to day. I've given my life to minister to all kinds of people.
    If I sound arrogant or exclusive it's because the authority I refer to is indeed exclusive. But it is also truth, and if you are right and I (and my authority) is wrong, no big deal for me. If my authority (God) is right and you are wrong, well it breaks my heart to think of your destiny.

    AivaWolf e-beth

    Reply 4 years ago

    I respect and honor not worship all gods and goddesses I believe all have some form of truth to their tales but the Christian God is the only one I've seen who demands to be worshipped my soul is in its 6th universal cycle I know others who remember lives outside of this tiny planet and personally I have small memories of Aphrodites hot full of herself it's part of her race but yes churches In His name feed and house the poor but not before pushing different sides of their beliefs down their throat I help I listen I don't judge them I go to a local church run hospital er every hour I have to hear a prayer while voices tell me to die people say he's all living but demands to be feared think on that one wether I imagine what I know or not I know for sure I believe in God just enough to hate him he's verm shoved down my throat so much