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Amateur Chemistry is Dead. :-( Answered

You're now restricted to one pound of fertilizer (or other chemicals that might be used
to make illegal fireworks) per year.

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dang i was gonna make a rocket to the moon.

*goes to store buying Kno3 and sugar*
"Oh, I just need to remove a stump, then, er, bake some cookies. Yeah, I'm doing that."

Now, there's wierd - it's "more legal" to make / own / use explosives & propellants in the USA, but easier to buy the raw materials over here (a local garden centre sells gunpowder by the kilo, it happens to be in three separate bags on three different shelves...).

lol at the seperated ingredients part.

I don't really browse by newest, so yes. also, I usually go to sleep pretty late, so I get up too late and get to school too late.

Late like Jun 20, 2007 to Dec 20, 2010.
< / captain_obvious_mode >

I'm glad that this is only in Idaho. But I am frightened that this is spreading quickly to other places.

 The restrictions that the DEA has made are stupid. >: ( 
Honestly, There are much MUCH worse chemicals to make bombs or drugs with.  In fact,  A pound of black powder isn't enough to blow up a small shed.
And as for the drugs, Even IF we restrict chemicals like iodine, ammonia, lithium, and other chemicals used for making that cursed drug we all know as "meth"; 
Organic Chemistry is flexible. There will ALWAYS be another way to do it. And some chemicals are ones you just can't restrict.   I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tired of this crazy war on meth. >: (

Amateur chemistry is NOT dead yet. Just check out science madness, the absolute center of "clandestine" chemistry.

If you can't obtain a certain chemical make it from widely available chemical. Or obtain that chemical from other products. Take ammonium nitrate for example, you can't buy lotsa fertilizer, but you can buy more than 1lb of instant cold packs per year. Just don't have it all in the same place at once.

If you want to make large amounts of energetic materials, get a low or high explosives license. Then you can experiment with energetic materials legally.

But, I highly recommend that your don't mess around with ANY ammonium nitrate based energetics, even in small quantities.

Also, ALWAYS wear goggles and other protection when doing chemistry, or you won't be READING comments like this in the near future.

I dunno. "Amateur" should not have to equal "clandestine", and when you reach the stage where half (or more) of your effort is obtaining or making raw materials, I think that's pretty dead. (it's also not very safe; I mean: ammonium perchlorate being more easily obtained than potassium perchlorate just cause AP isn't traditionally used to make illegal bangers? Sodium chlorate to be become the most common "active" oxidizer because it can be MADE most easily. These are not trends that bode well for the experimenter.)

May you find eternal peace old friend, *sniff*, RAmen, *sniff* I MISS YOU AMATEUR CHEMISTRY!

Yeah even the chemistry sets are dumbed down. I still have a small amount of arsenic trioxide which is not included in any sets of today ( I can't even remember what the experiments using this were).

In fairness, chemistry sets have been getting more and more watered down since they first came out. In MY childhood (1960s) I was quite the chemistry buff, but my chemistry set was already watered-down compared to the set we found that belonged to one of my friend's parents. THAT set had chemicals like powdered magnesium. (Of course, the 60s was another turbulent time period WRT explosives...) (todays chemistry sets seem to want to limit anything remotely hazardous to quantities that won't kill the average gerbil, which is yet a different matter. There's just something WRONG with expecting people to be too stupid to learn to be safe, especially once the teaching tools become safer than the average cleaning product...)

especially once the teaching tools become safer than the average cleaning product..

Isn't that the truth. There are quite a number of nasty cleaning products out there, from Clorox to CLR (which it a lye), to solid DrainO, etc. ad nausium.

If we wouldn't have learned about these as youngins, how are adults expected to know what they are and what they may do if accidentally mixed.....

bleach and ammonia... i know not to mix those two. it almost killed my mom. the crazy thing about it is there is no warning label on any cleaning products not to mix bleach and ammonia (does that mean nobody has sued yet?). she was using clorox bleach, and then later switched to clorox wipes. well being clorox, one would assume that it is bleach... wrong... she ended up in the emergency room.

I don't even find a reference to that, are they stories of fiction or instructional or what?

It's a series of three, true story, books about a boy who was the worst case of child abuse ever seen in California. But in one point his mother would make him clean the bathroom (closed door) with a bucket of bleach and ammonia.

ok, yeah I came across that in my searching but wasn't sure if that was what you meant or not. And no, that is the first time I have heard of them.

Yes, and that CLR stuff I referred to is nasty without mixing it with anything.

Oh, that reminds me: I have a copy of the first or second volume of Boy Mechanic or something like that. Some of the things youngsters did back then just don't compare with the "safety rules of today. I will have to dig that up and post a few project titles to see what you all think.

LOL, you would have to swallow vast quantities of the stuff in my chemistry sets before you even got a tummy ache... DANG U TERRORISTS!

Well..... But that just means that you can't say "I'm going to use these chemicals to make a firework" when you're buying the stuff, right? I'm going to miss my kno3


10 years ago

There's always United Nuclear!


Yea well I bought 2Kg (of agricultural stuff) by going into two different shops. And I can always go back and get more. Buying a lot in one go raises suspicions (obviously) L

Actually, for the components that actually happen to be fertilizers, buying "small" amounts is a dead giveaway that you're NOT going to use it as fertilizer. The real farmers buy truckloads at a time, and the real home gardeners buy "Miracle Grow" or equivalent pre-mixed fertilizers. And it's apparently only illegal to buy large quantities of fertilizer from pyrotechnics chemical dealers; no one has suggested (yet) that the local farm co-ops have similar restrictions. (although around here, few have any of the nitrates anyway.)

> And it's apparently only illegal to buy large quantities of fertilizer ... . Ah. I'll have to tell my friend about that. We thought that it was rather strange that no one questioned him about buying that much. . The part about small amounts being more suspicious makes sense.

. Just buy the stuff as fertilizer if you need a large quantity. Two weeks ago a friend of mine bought ~100 pounds of ammonium nitrate. Told the seller it was for the golf course greens (which it was, but the seller didn't know that). My friend paid cash and couldn't believe the seller didn't even call the golf course to verify his story. Shouldn't be too hard to find other sellers that don't care.


11 years ago

Crap! Well, at least I live in Canada. I never really make asplodies anyway.

What do you have to do to pretend you're a farmer?
Ahem, I mean, what do you have to do if you're a farmer?