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Anybody working on cryolipolysis? Answered

I am looking at using a pair of Peltier panels to make a "spot reducer" using cryolipolysis. Cryolipolysis is what the Zeltiq machine uses to freeze fat cells such that they dissolve. On a bodybuilding forum they were talking about using cool-paks, those gel-filled plastic blocks that you put in the freezer. 

My idea is to take a hand clamp and mount the Peltiers to it. I may need cooling on the hot sides, for that I will probably use liquid cooling blocks from computer CPU coolers. Then, you just clamp those babies on your love handles and crank up the juice.

"Animal studies show a fat-reducing effect starting at around minus 1C, with the plate in place from five to 20 minutes."

Since Peltiers get about 65 degrees C in differential, and room temp is about 26 degrees (warm room!) it will be a piece of cake for the junction to chill off those love handles.

Would not be hard to put a temp controller on it to protect from frostbite or from burning up the junctions.

Before you scoff, a Zeltiq treatment runs $700!

Discussions

I am working on it with blue gel packs. They get the job done. They are certainly cold enough. So cold, in fact, that you run the danger of freezing the skin if you don't keep a careful watch on the area. The most important tips I have learned are as follows:

Put the gel packs into a sleeve and never let them contact your skin directly. If they contact the skin they will freeze it, which causes blisters and is very painful. Keep them in a home freezer that is set to its coldest setting.

Cool the skin to below 0 degrees C (42 degrees F) and keep it there for a good 45 minutes. You will have to change gel packs several times to do this, so keep several in your freezer. When the skin is at its coolest point, start shaking and pounding on the cold fatty area. This helps to damage the frozen fat cells. Keep the area under treatment as elevated as possible to reduce blood flow to it.

You will know it is working if you get a strange taste in your mouth a few days after the treatment. It could take up to three weeks. It is a sort of bitter, almost chemical taste. Not very pleasant, but to me the taste of cryolipolysis. It takes a few months before the effect is complete, and some areas seem to melt faster than others.

I would love to hear from anyone else who is trying this.

First, 0°C is 32°F.
Second, you neither need, nor want, to reduce skin temp below 0°C (unless you want severe skin damage). Cryolipo works at temps well above freezing, on average 12°C.
Anything lower will not only not provide significant additional benefit, it will cause injury.
Fat cells die when the fat, stored in vacuoles in the fat cell, solidifies. Fat solidifies at temps well above freezing, even into the 50s, Ferhenheit.

Any updates? I will be trying the same thing. The idea is to get a large container for fluid with antifreeze and cool it to -7C in the fridge. Then use it until it reaches -1 C. Then replace.

Do not do this (I know, too late)!
First, the entire point of cryolipolysis is to damage fat tissue while not damaging surrounding cells. Taking the skin below 0°C WILL damage the skin. Nor is it necessary. Apoptosis of adipose tissue occurs when fat stored in vacuoles in the fat cells solidifies. As you can see from butter, fat solidifies WELL above the freezing point of water, and as such, it is only necessary to reduce skin temp to around 12°C

My method is:

I cut firm plastic bottle so if I squeeze it and put on skin it sucks the skin in.

I fill the bottle (aprox half) with salt soution, so it freezes below zero (at about - 2 or -3 - find right salinity), but I cool it just about to 2 degrees Celsius. After that I add a piece of ice cooled to -25dC. The ice cools water to its freezing point and keeps stable temperature of the solution. Then I suck the skin into the bottle and let the icy water work. My skin got frost a few times, but i got no injury.

Dont let the "-25 ice" let touch your skin!

Edges of the (cut) bottle must be smooth (better to cover it with something)

I´ve tried to figere out If it works. I have tried to make some photos of areas before and after. I would say I maybe worked, but due to my significant fat loss (about 12kg due to diet) I can not say for sure...

looking forward for your reviews

I suggest going for a more concrete
solution which is the blue fat freeze system (https://fatfreezekit.com). It can
freeze off fats while resting at home as it reduced my waist by 3 inches in 2
months.

Colossal scam. The point of Instructables is to DIY. It is trivial to DIY what the Blue Fat Freeze system does. $399? Puh-leeeze.

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R.T1

1 year ago

Hi!

I have been thinking of an idea. I don't know if it will work. But the problem I see with regular coolsculpting, is that the suction handle is too small. I have a bigger area to be sucked up. And that will be expensive with regular coolsculpting.

So, what about making a mold in silicone. Or find something that can be used as a mold. Pour water in the mold, and freeze it. Release the ice from the mold, and attach it to a vacuum cleaner. The mold must of course be in a shape that makes it possible to attach to a vacuum cleaner. I think that maybe should work to suck up a larger area and cool it down. The question is, will it be cool enough? And the ice will melt in contact with the skin, hmm. So maybe it is better not to release the ice from the mold?

Maybe a bad idea after all. But anyway, we all have vacuum cleaners, so vacuum should not be a problem. If they are strong enough, I guess they will work very well to suck up fat.

Well, that is a super idea, but I think a better one, as long as you are going to the trouble to fashion a mold, would be to mold a complete fixture with stainless steel plates, gel packs and a vacuum cleaner accessory tube. Then you could put the whole thing in the freezer, chill it down and then attach it to the vacuum and just pinch it over the skin fold.

People, do not use peltier coolers for this. In addition to being inefficient at mass cooling, they require a complicated setup to mount heatsinks and fans to cool the heat displacement side. Any imperfections in your mount and the peltier will just heat up, burn you instantly, and then blow up. They also require a high current power supply. Take it from me, I run a company that uses peltier coolers often.

The easiest and cheapest setup for this is to use a bucket of salty ice water, two double-wide cpu coolers, a cheap submerged bilge pump, a power supply, and for crying out loud what's with the programming of controllers for temp control when complete cheap-o temp controllers are available all over the place for as little as $20??? automationcontrols.com or eBay. Also add in a k-type thermocouple probe. I can't imagine this entire setup would be more than $100.

Hook the pump to the coolers, and clamp them to the target area with the thermocouple between the cooler and skin. Set the temp controller for cooling, and when it is above temp, it will power the pump and send ice brine to the cooling plates. When it hits target temp, the pump will shut off and your body's natural heat will make the temp rise again slowly. When it does, the pump will kick back on, holding exact target temp on the skin. Most of the Chinese units I see use ice water cooling.

There is a device called SlimFreezer which is a cooling plate that you place against your body. It does not have a vacuum but do you really need one? Zeltic has released their now CoolSmooth applicator that does not use a vacuum.

http://hsm.tv/products/slimfreezer

I have bought the SlimFreez device (60 usd) but discovered that it only reaches 0 C. However after opening it and removing, what I believe is a thermometer that regulates temperature, is does cool much cooler. Water will not freeze if in contact with the cooling surface. However, I lack proper thermometer to judge the temperature.

Will keep working on this and trying on myself.

The actual cooling plate is quite thin, maybe 5mm and then there is a cooling heatsink and a fan, much like what you would find in a computer.

You need -1ºC to get things going. Go to Harbor Freight and get an IR thermometer. They have a small one for $12.

Just hold the sensor in your hand, that should get it to max cool.

The problem is that they only use one peltier element with an area of 1/9 of the total coolingplate. Only the center of the plate reaches -1C. If one were to use 8 more peltier elements this method might work.

Now that a month has gone by, what do you think of the SlimFreezer belt?

The cooling power is not enough. You can make is slightly better by moving the temperature sensor away from the cooling plate and thereby overclocking it, but that doesnt help much. It's a bad product.

I know if anyone is still looking but I found this portable cool sculpting called Slim Freezer. I'm unable to purchase it because I live in the states and not the UK. Although I found a company called, forwardtome.com which will purchase it for you and forward your shipping. http://www.hsm.tv/products/slimfreezer

hope this helps

Hi LaCreshal,

Did you try the slimfreezer belt yet? I did find a product that was exactly like it on Amazon and Groupon called "fatfreezer"... I have it right now, but I'm nervous to try it... definitely an impulse buy :/

It only cools to 0C. However if you open it and move the thermostat it will cool to -2C in the center of the cooling plate. say a two inch area in diameter. The surrounding area does not cool below 0C.

You are fortunate that you can't buy it...$300 for a freezer pack with a strap on it? Please, this is just spam and pathetic spam at that.

what is spam ... Are you saying the product is spam or me? I have never used it, just saw it a few months ago and was thinking about purchasing it. I even wrote an email to the company trying find out when they will ship to the states but they wrote me back yesterday saying they have no future plans :(. Well I was just trying to help give out information about a product I came across and can't get. Thought I was helping.. Sorry I guess not. This is my first time on this site and it just might be my last lol.I don't work for this company dang I can't even get them to ship me one lol. FYI, I don't do spam you are more than welcome to google me.. On Fb Twitter Instagram under cre or cutecre.. You will see I have never posted about this product. Anyways, got to get back to my day job. I really thought I was helping like everyone else. Maybe I'm on the wrong site sorry. Well if I decide not to delete my account, please keep me posted if you find anything that can help me.

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The product is sort of spammy and your comment seemed like a sales endorsement. No harm, no foul. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Apparently the SlimFreezer may be a peltier device. If that is the case, it may be worthwhile to get one, but you would need to modify it to pinch the skin (see other discussions on cryolypolisis here). Otherwise, you could just strap some freezer chill packs (again see other discussions here) onto yourself.

So, the device is £150, which is $170. That is a bit steep for a one-sided peltier system. That said, it looks like it has a cooling fan and power supply, so that might be easier than building one up yourself.

Let us know how it turns out and again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

no problem. I don't know if I will buy one or just buying a mini cool sculpting device for home use from alibaba, they run about $800 and up. I just wouldn't know how to apply the system or for how long. I don't know to much about it and do not want to injure myself. I think I got about 20 different quotes from that site along with the catalog. You guys are way smarter than I and wouldn't know if I was getting scammed or not. If you want me to post those emails I can or if you give me your email I can forwarded them to you. Anyway I'll continue to read more on this site.

Has anyone considered one of the Chinese made machines with freezing probes? These are around the price of two Zeltiq treatments - I figured I could just buy a whole machine instead of going for the real deal only twice.

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that's what I was trying to find out. There are a ton on eBay. If you lived in my area we could go half dies and try it out.

I'm working on a liquid pump system. I bought a cheap aquarium pump and built my own cooling plates similar to the ones Jumprocks bought. First test was using icewater in a cooler pumped through 2 plates. Obviously didn't get cold enough to freeze fat but was a good test in the ability for the plates to pinch-an-inch.

My next plan is to create a 2 reservoir system. Here's a diagram: http://i.imgur.com/C3h2YQi.png. The fluid lines are color coded by expected temperature. The first reservoir will be a clear, sealed container (Sealed Reservoir) that will house a circulator pump which will continuously pump cold antifreeze through the plates (lines from yellow to red). The 2nd reservoir (Freezer Reservoir) will be much larger, stored in the freezer and will have a 2nd circulator pump that will pump super cold antifreeze (cyan line) from the Freezer Reservoir into the Sealed Reservoir. Since that container is sealed antifreeze will be pushed back into the Freezer Reservoir via a return tube (green line). A temperature controller will be used to cycle the power on the pump in the Freezer Reservoir when the plates warm up. The biggest problem I see is lag from when the power on that pump cycles and how long it takes for the sealed reservoir to cool and then the plates to cool once colder antifreeze is pumping through them. One way to fix this would be to put the thermistor in the Sealed Reservoir instead of on the plates. That way the liquid pumping through the plates should be pretty constant. Depending on how often the temp controller kicks on, I might be able to put the sealed reservoir in the freezer as well. It will likely take some tuning.

Using cold to reduce fat is the way to go. Clinical treatments are expensive and the results may not last without proper diet and exercise. Asrai's Touch is designed to reduce your fat and it's reusable. It's only $85 and will last for years. www.fatfreezingwrap.com is one of the website. www.freezingfatwrap.com is another.

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Jmmny

4 years ago

What happened to Lapsmith? Was waiting to hear about results. I think an at home method of doing this is possible if the underlying science can be determined. That is - the temp the fat must be brought to and for how long - in order to get fat cell destruction. I am not convinced that the fat MUST be sucked into a device for this to work. Z was trying to create a commercial product that would deliver efficient, effective, fast results with just a few treatments. An inexpensive solution that can be used at home, even if it required multiple applications, would be fine for a home user. So IF, theoretically, a cold gel pack could be applied to the skin and IF it could cool the underlying fat to the correct temp (even if this method would cool a smaller depth of fat than if sucked or clamped) than one would simply have to monitor the skin temp under the gel pack and change the pack when the temp increased to ineffectiveness. That could be done as many times as needed for the duration of the treatment. I am experimenting with the product, Asrai's Touch. It is a belt that holds three gel packs. I am skeptical about this product sold as is - BUT if it brings the skin to the correct temp for the correct period of time, one could change it to a different frozen belt each time the temp increased too much - perhaps every fifteen minutes, requiring four of them for a 1 hour treatment.

There has been significant research into cryolipolysis. The fact remains that you want to pinch the skin to put the cold in contact with the fat. Putting the cold directly onto the skin will only give minimal results at a very thin surface layer. Yes, it will still work, but the basic issue here is freezing the fat cells while leaving the skin unharmed. That is the point of the vacuum devices.

Asrai's Touch looks to be something of a scam to me--$85 bucks for some alcohol gel-packs and a velcro wrap?

Yes, I agree that Asrai's touch is probably a scam. Even if it is possible to destroy a very thin layer of fat by cooling the skin with gel packs, I highly doubt that this product can cool the area down to the correct temp for the correct period of time. I have read this entire thread and also scoured the internet for the information - to answer the basic questions:

1. what temp range must the fat be kept at
2. for how long

I have a whole new approach on how to make this work, but need that essential info FIRST.

I think Exocetid is right that the Key to the process is pinching the skin. I've been sidelined for a few months but I picked this project again. I'll reply in detail when I have a bit more time in the vacuum head thread. but I think the skin pinching device is much more simpler than I first thought. Instead of a vacuum head I've come up with using two Large CPU coolers (they are about the height and length of a stick of butter and a Spring Clam. in these pictures the clamp I'm using is too small and is too strong for the job. I need something that has about 1.25 in bite and will not pinch the skin.., If this solution works then there's no need to build a vacuum head. the only system needed are the cooling, circulating and temp regulating,,,

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Those coolers are perfect, great find! Now, consider this for the pincher. Don't worry, the pinch is controllable.

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Ouch!!!.. I'm looking for something lighter. Also it needs to have about a 3-3.5 inch caliber (jaw size).. I"m thinking of something among the lines of a plastic c-Clamp or something..

and Yes, the cooling block was an incredible find. I think they cost about $10.00 on ebay. If you go back though to blog you will find my evolution of thought on this. everything I tried was heavy,,,

I think in order to balance the cooling better I'm going to set the input/out lines 180 apart.

Like I said in an earlier reply, I dont think your idea of using the 'sludge' (cooled viscous liquid) is going to work too well. To control the temp it will be very tricky. You would be better off with peltiers. This is what the actual Coolsculptor uses and it is what I used to make the Frankensculptor. It works (yes, I tested it), so why waste time with someone that will undoubtedly be harder to manage, more expensive and bulkier?

You hit the nail on the head. The skin pinch is so simple. The whole idea of a vacuum device is a waste of time and technology. I have been playing with large binder clips that have been heated and "stretched". They work effectively and painlessly. It would be easy to construct a totally adjustable metal "pincher" that could effectively pinch any size fat fold.

Well I was 135 bucks deep into a vacuum system (I bought a kick-ass Leybold vacuum pump and was in track to get a weld to weld me an aluminum suction head (I was going to use a sheetrock hawk as the source of aluminum. can you post a picture of the pinchers? thanks

Aluminium welding is very delicate, requires skill and wont be cheap. You need a TIG to do it (and not just any TIG). You wont be able to do it yourself with a cheap ebay welder as they are MIG or Arc. Personally, I dont think its worth putting that sort of money in to it unless you know someone.

If you had read this entire thread as you claim to have, then you would know the answer to both your questions. I have either answered them below or linked to the patent information for the Coolsculptor which has the information you need. I've built the 'Frankensculptor' (Cryolipolysis machine) which is featured on my blog with DIY instructions/pictures, if you're interested. Again, look below for the URL.

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aantix

7 years ago

Was just curious if you made any progress towards making this device and if so, was it effective?

Sorry, so many projects, so little time ;-)

That said, the more I thought about Peltier, the less I liked it. My current thinking is that gel packs are the way to go--see blinkstreet above. I think that the Zeltiq uses a chiller along with antifreeze pumped through the treatment head.

CPU cooling plates/blocks should fit the bill.. .

http://hackaday.com/2013/11/19/diy-coolsculptor-freezes-fat-with-cryolipolysis/

The Frankensculptor has been features on Hack A Day :)

Project costs to date:
so far this little project has cost me about $300. I'm not to far from being finish with the parts buying. I think I lucked out in that I found a lyneard vacuum pump on craigslist for $75. form what I can tell these models go for about $1-2K., the guy says he has 3 of them so hopefully I get the best of the liter..

Anyway see attached for my parts list..

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Heater and Liquid Cooling:

I'm still working on the Liquid cooled approach to this problem v. peltier plate solution. when first presented with the problem of regulating the temperature probably come out on top (were are the only issue to deal with is the cooling of the plates.

My first blush at temp regulation was to inject hot water (from a coffee pot or something, I was now dealing with two water sources, pumps tubes, etc. then I came across the Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DMiYSoffBA

it was a ah-ha moment. from his I went to Home depot and Lowes to connect all the parts. itit all cost under $20.. Right now this is a work in progress but I figured I would share what I have so far. I'm waiting for my CPU coolplate to understand the size of the nipple in need for the input/output and before glusing everything together.

when done, I'll be going, use a Dallas thermostat to measure the head temp and if it's goes out of range then the Heater will kick on. I'll be using USBmicro 120v relay powered by Robot basic.

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Ok, now that I built this I'm beginning to to to think that a that the 2" pipe is a bit big. Though it looks very cool, i think I'm going to scall it down to 1".. the heater element fits nicel into a 1"pvC.. I'm thinking that if there's less water in the heater core then it will take less time to heat the water thus avoiding wide swings in temperature.

Control program: 

well I had some time to Kill  Yesterday and figured I would writing the Robotics control program.  After not writing code for over 20 years it felt good to fool around with something that  purpose. 

when  started writing this I began to realize  how simple insanely simple this really is. I've completed most  gui but will be working on it over time..  All this do is monitor a USBmicro U401 connected to a  Dallas 18b20 , or some variant) and toggle the a USBmocro U541 Relay when some temp event occurs (like when the unit is up to temp, to stat the vacuum and the timer). 

anyway I figured I would share what I have so far.. If someone (a better programmer than me)  feels like adding the the existing please feel free.

here's the code base:

//*********************************************************************
//   Program name: Cool1
//          Owner: Wizzo Corp. 
//         Author: Mr.  Freeze
//           Date: 10/18/2013
//        Purpose:  the purpose of this program is to Monitor Temp sensors and accuate values and pumps
//                  when a certain temperature is reached.
//
//**********************************************************************

MainProgram:
   GoSub Initialization
   while true
      //wait for events
   wend
End

// Insert the start button




Initialization:

 
       fnt = "Times New Roman"
 
       // add the Title
        program_title  = "CyroSculpt"
        AddButton program_title,50,5,610,60
        SetButtonFont program_title,fnt,20,fs_bold, green
       
         // add the initialize, start, and stop buttons at the bottom of the screen
         //
          AddButton "Initalize",10,550,110
          AddButton "Start",130,550,110
          AddButton "Stop",250,550,110
       
         // Timmer
         //
          session_timmer = "Session Timer"
          AddButton session_timmer,50,100,110,33
          addslider session_timmer,160,100,500,0,60,0,1
          SetSliderPos session_timmer, 30
          ShowSliderBar session_timmer,true
          xystring 170,85, "0                         30                        60"  //slider label
      
         //Slurry temp Slider
         //
          slurry_temp = "Slurry Temp"
          AddButton slurry_temp,50,150,110,33
          addslider slurry_temp,160,150,500,0,90,0,1
          SetSliderBarStart slurry_temp,28
          SetSliderBarEnd slurry_temp,36
          xystring 170,135, "0                 32                               100" //Slider Label
          SetSliderPos slurry_temp, 38         // used to toggle position of pointer on slider
            
         //Head Temp Slider
         //
          head_temp ="Head Temp"  
          AddButton head_temp,50,200,110,33  
          addslider head_temp,160,200,500,30,90,0,1
          SetSliderBarStart head_temp,28
          SetSliderBarEnd head_temp,36
          xystring 170,185, "0                 32                               100"  //Slider Label
      
         //Heater Temp Slider
         //
          heater_temp= "Heater Temp"
          AddButton heater_temp,50,250,110,33
          addslider heater_temp,160,250,500,30,90,0,1
          SetSliderBarStart heater_temp,28
          SetSliderBarEnd heater_temp,36
          xystring 170,235, "0                 32                               100"  //Slider Label   
      
       //
       // status buttons
       AddButton "Pump Status",50,300,110,33
    
       //Prints the pump status
       //
       s = "ON"
       fnt = "Times New Roman"
       xyText 170,300,s,fnt,20,fs_Bold,green
 
      
       AddButton "Vacuum Status",50,334,110,33
       //Prints the vacuum status
       //
       s = "ON"
       fnt = "Times New Roman"
       xyText 170,334,s,fnt,20,fs_Bold,green
 
       AddButton "Heater Status",50,368,110,33
       //Prints the vacuum status
       //
       s = "ON"
       fnt = "Times New Roman"
       xyText 170,368,s,fnt,20,fs_Bold,green
 
       //              
      
    
       //
      
        joe="joe"
       AddTimer joe, 1000
       SetTimer joe, true
      
      
       for i = 1 to 60
           TimerIsOn(joe)
           GetTimerPeriod(joe)
           GetTimerTicks(joe)
      

      
        delay 1000
       xytext 50,420,TimerIsOn(joe)
       xytext 50,425,GetTimerPeriod(joe)
       xytext 50,430,GetTimerTicks(joe)
       xytext 50,435,i
       SetSliderPos session_timmer, i
       next





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ofezo

6 years ago

So I gave this a go at home (for my lower abdomen) with those blue block-like Rubbermaid ice packs a few weeks ago. I am a sonographer so I had the chance to actually measure my fat layer before to see what the difference would be in 4 months. I measured 1.2 cm (yes very small amount but annoying for just that reason!). I purchased 3 ice packs and switched them out about every 15-20 minutes. I also had a laboratory-type thermometer to monitor the temp. The first 20 minutes I had the ice pack directly on my skin as it did not feel that cold and then temp did not drop very low. My theory is that it was just sucking out all the heat from my body. As soon as the 2nd ice pack hit my skin it was REALLY cold. Painfully so. I tried to tolerate it as best I could but I was kind of scared about freezing and blistering of the skin so I put a layer of plastic wrap between my skin and the ice pack. Still very cold, but at least I didn't have direct skin contact. The thermometer got down to ~ 6 degrees celcius for the majority of the time. I switched ice packs after 20 minutes, and then again after 15, as it wasn't feeling quite as cold and the thermometer was closer to ~ 10 degrees celcius. I actually did the procedure for 1 hour and 20 minutes because I figured the first 20 minutes was just the removal of my body heat. The last 20 minutes the ice packs were just not getting as cold, so I used a ziploc baggie with ice and water. That got it back down to 6 degrees. At the end of it all I thumped at the area to break up the fat cells as was recommended in another post. During the whole procedure I was laying relatively flat in bed and my husband was getting the ice packs, the saran wrap, etc for me. I was definitely numb in my lower abdomen for the rest of the night and the next morning I did in fact have a spot of "freezer burn" on one side of my lower abdomen. It appears to be very superficial and I believe it will fade as my skin sloughs off (no blistering). It's been a few weeks and it's still there, so keeping my fingers crossed! If it never goes away I'll just claim it's a birthmark, lol. Numbness went away the next day. I will be measuring my fat layer again in 4 months to see if this worked! I didn't ever get the thermometer to read 4 degrees, but I am hoping 6 degrees is close enough! Especially since I am a very thin person to begin with, I am hoping the cold penetrated better. I'll post before and after pics later...

When you say you got the temperature to ~6 or ~10 degrees Celcius, that is above 0, right? the "~" means "approximately", not "minus"?

The temperatures I was working with were all below 0 degrees Celcius. I don't know if you will have an effect unless you chilled down to that temperature. The fact that you got some skin blistering suggests that you did get too cold in one area, so the heat (or cold) may have been poorly distributed. I did not ever have good results from using water ice packs. The blue gel packs seem to distribute the cooling more evenly.

Let us know how it works, though!

@blinkstreet...

Have you seen results from this?

I have just made a home made cooling setup. I used an aluminum plate suction chamber similar in size to the Zeltiq applicators. I have heat exchangers bonded to both sides of the chamber and have 2 pumps circulating fluids through them. I currently use a cooler full of salted ice water. I use enough salt to get the temperature of the ice water down to minus 3 C. This seems to be able to chill the chamber down to just slightly below 0 C. Around minus 0.5 C. I measure around 0 down to minus 0.5 C at the skin/aluminum contact point. I use a venturi type of vacuum generator. It is capable of drawing over 28 inHG, which would be too much. I regulated the supply to the venturi down to 45 PSI, which is just under a vacuum level that is painfull, yet sucks up plenty of stuff.

It has been 4 days since I tried this. My stomach is still very numb. I have read in other places that many people get pins and needles after a few days, but I have not experienced this, just very numb. I hope to see results in a few weeks. If not, I may drop the temperature a little more.

I have found some interesting research papers here and there that elude to various temperatures and such.

Blinkstreet, what type of vacuum are you using??


joe