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# Electric Bicycle Mod Using an 36 volt, 1000watt motor to make an electric bike. I have questions about rpm and torque.

I have done some calculations, with wheels who have a 75inch circumference, i have calculated that 444 rpm should get me going about 40km/h or 25 mph. I don't believe that this is right. I am also wondering what amount of torque would be good enough for this situation?

The motor is 1000watts, 36volts and 3000rpm. I am planning to use three 12 volt car batteries to power the motor. I would be using a chain and gear transmission system to reduce the rpm.

I am looking to have a max speed of from 50 km/h or 31 mph to 40km/h or 25 mph.

I would really apretiate anyones help with this, so i could then finish this project.

thanks

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36v, 1000w Motor = Draws 28 Amps

Powerful motor! What kind of batteries do you have for that? Two $100 DeWalt 18v, 2.4 Ah batteries wouldn't even last that long. I don't think you can really calculate how long they would last, but best case scenario I think they'd last 10 1/2 minutes. I could be wrong about that part though.

I put the math at the bottom, (because its a bore lol) but to go 31mph you need to get your 75" circumference wheels spinning at 437rpm.

About your torque concern, 1kw motor is capable of providing more than enough, but it depends on how you gear it. I couldn't tell you exactly what torque you need because there are to many variables, and really it will just determine how fast you accelerate. Your biggest concern is how to power that motor, and some way to get the motor's max rpm (what is it?) to turn your wheels at about 450rpm.

More data is needed:

-Is it direct drive or will you have a transmission? Any gear ratios to consider?

-What is the rpm of the motor?

-Are you saying your wheels are 75in. circumference or is that theoretical?

I posted a graph I found at the bottom. Its a little helpful.

Source

Also I found a bike conversion kit that says their 1000w kit uses a 10Ah battery, goes 30mph and has 63ft/lbs of torque. So it sounds like you are on the right track if you figure out how to power yours.

Link

MATH:

--75" circumference wheels (24" diameter) and you wana go 31mph:

31(miles) x 5280(ft. in a mile) x 12(in. in a foot) = 1,964,160in/hr

--So you wana go 1,964,160 in/hr that means.

1,964,160(in/hr) / 75(wheel) = 26,189rph

--Your wheels need to spin 26,189 revolutions per hour.

26,189(rph) / 60(mins in a hour) = 437rpm

CONCLUSION: 75" wheels spinning at 437rpm will give you 31mph.

Image Source:

http://www.electric-bikes.com/betterbikes/winddrag.html

can you explain, where you get "5280(ft. in a mile)" ? i don't understand..

Since you average car battery has a capacity of about 45 amp hours and i will have three, i should have about a maximum of about 5hours of use at full speed.

Most unlikely - you will probably get less than 1/2 an hour at full speed.

Our car - see my other answer - use 2 78 Ahr batteries to drive a 250 watt 24 volt motor. At best we could get about 1.5 hours out of the battery set.

A cooling off period would allow a further 1/4 to 1/2 an hour of use.

The battery voltage at that point was perilously close to the danger zone below which you will not be able to recharge the battery.

If you add batteries in series - so that the voltage is higher, your 3 12v 45ah batteries are going to act like a single 36v 45ah battery. That is 1.6kWh. If you run your 1kW motor at full throttle, you'll only get 1.6 hours out of it.

If you add batteries in parallel - so that the voltage remains the same, your 3 12v 45ah batteries are going to act like a single 12v 135ah battery. Notice that your total kWh capacity (and thus range) is the same either way.

The reason you put them together in series is because the higher voltage is (generally) more efficient and allows for higher speed and more acceleration, but more acceleration does not come free! You will burn 3x the energy at full throttle in series than in parallel - and also accelerate 3x as fast.

The rpm is 3000 and i am planning on using 3 car batteries to power it. I would mount the car batteries onto a bike rack that i have not yet made.

Your car batteries will weigh in at a LOT. This is one problem with using lead acid battery technology and why no electrical vehicle manufacturers use them. Weight = drag so the more weight the more power you need to get going and keep going.

I will also be using chain and gears to reduce the rpm.

if its still 36 volt speed will be the same you would have raised the amp which is torque and range

voltage × amp hour =watt

36volt dc motor with 2500rpm and 500watt battery powered 12mega volt with load 70kg

how much speed can be occure by go kart

Depends on motor to final drive gear ratio (or belts), and load, First, you may need 36 volts to get that motor going, The ratio of watts to Horse power gives you 500 watts = .67 or 2/3 Horse Power, but that is before all the losses. ie: friction,gear ratios, battery charge, and Amp/Hours, etc. It should get you going though. Good luck to you!

Steve22

ok wow there are so many things to go through with electrisc bikes. My issue is really all the same. I want more power, thats it not much to ask for. Well it is when you know nothing about it. I have read and understand the math. My issue is that I don't want to mess with Aesthetics after scooter so pretty much I've been working and looking around trying to figure out which is good for plug-and-play but with more power for my scooter now i have a 250w 36v 8in with tyre front brushless dc hub motor. Going 15 mph. My question is what do i need to do to up this mph bit in same size. I will attach pictures. This motor is with sensors. I dont know if this is a double shaft or not. The fork opening is 5.5" or 140mm

I want to go 10mph faster. What do i need to do without messing around kn the look or size of scooter. Including motor size in inch.please email me at rhoward2242@yahoo.com.

now for the speed reduction you need to know the rpm you need for your wheel , its also a long calculation and wrotting, if you want to know more then contact me on parasarb121@gmail.com, dont be afried i will not ask yo to pay, hee just jiking.

if you are using a 1000 watt 36 volt motor then its amp willbe

A*V=Watt , hence A=watt/voltage

A=1000/36 =27.77777

so the ampere used by the motor at full speed is 27.8 aprox.

if you use 3 car battery in series then you will get 36 volt with 45 amps

hence the battery will run the motor for 45 /27.8 which is approx 1.62hrs theoritically.

practically there will be a little wastage of energy but it may give you 1 hr 20 min.

Maybe try using a 24 volt 350 watt motor with gear reduction and a 9 tooth 1/8" sprocket $89 MonsterScooterParts.com for bicycle direct drive it to the rear wheel using the delailer to change gears manually so you now have a transmission for optimizing gear ratios to speed and terrain?

$67 on ebay as well

Forget car batteries. Unsuited every which way, especially that they

don't last when used this way. Almost $300, but you can get the LiPo on

eBay for not much more and one set will last through many replacements

of car batteries. Not to mention much smaller and lighter. If you do use

some cheap lead acid cells, (Cheaper than car batteries, even) use some

better suited to the job, such as Werker or PowerSonic.They won't last as long as lithium, either.

As

mentioned, work at 420rpm at the wheel for a 24" and 387rpm for 26" At

the Razor website you can buy the 11t pinion for the motor and the 80t

sprocket and freewheel for the wheel. The motor would have to turn just

over 7 times the speed of the wheel, so over 2,940rpm. And you have a

3,000rpm motor.

You can get serious help with electric vehicles

online. Endless-Sphere.com tends to offer the more scientific minds and

technology help, DIYElectriccar.com has the serious fabricators. Neither

site slouches at the other's specialty, either.

Forget car batteries. Unsuited every which way, especially that they don't last when used this way. Almost $300, but you can get the LiPo on eBay for not much more and one set will last through many replacements of car batteries. Not to mention much smaller and lighter. If you do use some cheap lead acid cells, (Cheaper than car batteries, even) use some better suited to the job, such as Werker or PowerSonic. They won't last as long as the lithium batteries either.

As mentioned, work at 420rpm at the wheel for a 24" and 387rpm for 26" At the Razor website you can buy the 11t pinion for the motor and the 80t sprocket and freewheel for the wheel. The motor would have to turn just over 7 times the speed of the wheel, so over 2,940rpm. And you have a 3,000rpm motor.

You can get serious help with electric vehicles online. Endless-Sphere.com tends to offer the more scientific minds and technology help, DIYElectriccar.com has the serious fabricators. Neither site slouches at the other's specialty, either.

how did the car battery thing go? i want to copy you.

have you tried replacing the pulleys to see which work best at rpm and torque....try getting a larger pulley for the motor to increase rpm and torque...

I didnt read through everything so sorry if this has been said or this is useless info but I have made a small 350w electric vehicle myself. If you putting this on a bicycle, 3 car batteries take up a lot of volume and if they are mounted above the axle you may have a hard time even holding the bike up! Check out "lifepo4 batteries" aka lithium iron phosphate. They are designed for EV applications but are a bit expensive even SLA would be a better place to start. A car battery is for cranking. My electric skateboard type thing uses a 350w motor and goes 20mph on a 7 in drive tire but has a hard time with uphills combined with 200lbs total weight.

You ain't going to get much from 1KW, that's equivalent to a small cc petrol (gasoline) engine, so 25-30 mph seems about right.

What sort of transmission do you have?

L

1KW=1.34hp, 1HP=746W

From a sheer practical viewpoint. see my instructable www.instructables.com/id/Building-an-electric-racing-car/

a 250 watt motor is capable of giving you 30 to 40 MPH. a 24 volt 250 watt motor will do about 30 to 50 miles at that speed on 2 x 70 Amp/hr car batteries.

The wheels were 8 inch in diameter and the motor ran at 2000RPM for best performance. The gearing was 14: 1

I agree 31.25 MPH from your calculations.

1. Think about the Amp/Hr of the battery pack you will use.

2. think about it's weight!

3. A 1000 watt motor will eat 4 x as much power as my 250 watt (give or take)

4. My 250 watt motor cost just short of £200 new (say $400)

5. How you use the power has much to do with how long it will last - we were racing on a flat circuit and for the most part full throttle all the time so the motor ran at it's optimum speed. Look at the commercial electric bikes and see what range they give for some idea of what you might get.

When you consider a human can generally put 1-200 watts to the pedals sustained and an athlete can put out 500+, its a fair amount of power.

As lemonie suggests, you're not going to spin the wheels with that kind of power, but it will get you to 50k.

According to your numbers, a 24" circumference wheel is 3.8" radius 7.6 diameter...Those are pretty small wheels...I guess you meant 24" diameter.

According to google

/24 inches/rotation = 45.6 rotations/second * 60 seconds/minute = ~2700 rpm50 (km / hr) = 546.806649 inches / sElectric motors are rated a certain rpm at their optimal wattage. You need to come up with a gear ratio that turns the powered wheel at 2700 rpm while turning the motor at its favourite speed.

If you meant 24 DIAMETER then its a bit different...pi*24 = 75.4 inches circum.

546.8 / 75.4 = 7.25 revs/sec = ~435 rpm. If you had a 3000rpm motor, you want a gear ratio of about 7:1 load:power.