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Free Energy... NOT From Saltwater! Answered

This one's for Kiteman. Right after an independent cancer cure researcher in Ohio discovers that he can make saltwater burn, we get a story from the UK about a water heater with an efficiency of 250%-300%.

The device seems to break the fundamental physical law that energy cannot be created from nothing - but researchers believe it taps into a previously unrecognised source of energy, stored at a sub-atomic level within the hydrogen atoms in water.

The system - developed by scientists at a firm called Ecowatts in a nondescript laboratory on an industrial estate at Lancing, West Sussex - involves passing an electrical current through a mixture of water, potassium carbonate (otherwise known as potash) and a secret liquid catalyst, based on chrome.

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dudes, how much weed did you smoke, this is not free ennergy. this is a torch, at most. this thins needs considerable voltage to power the cathode, and energy is lost in heat. and then the unknown ingrediant based on CHROME?! crome is stainless steel. its magnetic.its a conductor. wow.it does nothing but poisin the water. this device is nothing more than electrolosis. it requires more energy than is put into it. this guy whoever it is, is an el hacko. dont be dumb. its an eletrical arc through hazardous water.

Oh, so I totally just got needlessly angry and made a fool of myself? Wouldn't be the first time... Well, some ideas ARE fun to ridicule. Especially that John Searle guy. He's got more than one screw loose. Some of his machines would work, but overall, he's crazy. One legit machine I've come across is a "cavitation water-to-steam pump". That thing could seriously generate quite a lot of energy once some blatant technical problems are solved.

You know now that this comes back up assuming there is a catalyst for and H2O > H2 O2 reaction then something along these lines could be damn useful and efficient, however is there a catalyst for every reaction? also water is a very strange substance in terms of science, being a solvent for everything and such... However adding the potash gives a few more reactants to play with and makes the chances of there being catalyst for this kind of reaction to be more likely, right?

Anyway how about a truly well tuned magnetron from a microwave in a water heater form, with jsut the right balance of flow and chamber size you could potentially utilize almost all the energy coming from the magnetron sine the chamber can be completely filled with water. Containment issues wouldn't be too hard since a simple faraday cage woven through a ceramic liner could stop the microwaves in their tracks. Transformers are what, around 90-95% efficient in a good design, or is it less? it just seems like a very effective way to replace resistance heating with an extremely high speed and on demand service without massively increasing power consumption. Not to mention doing away with the collective losses you ahve from attempting to store heat energy in a hot water tank. Granted a giant vacuum flask isn't unreasonable if someone could make a simple lock together barrel systemfor installation ease, combined with a cheap vacuum pump to evacuate the jacket it could be much more effective than foam jackets and not that costly, in the mean time a couple of those space blankets don't seem unreasonable to augment fibreglass insulated boiler jackets. Also tinfoil on the inside of the boiler box would help... I can think of several ideas likely to lower the radiative and combined convective losses of older boilers, in one house there was a noticeable updraft effect similar to a radiator because of poor insulation on the boiler.

Who wants to guess that the water is just coming out 2-3x hotter than it went in -- and they're forgetting the electricity and/or calculating its usage incorrectly.

why don't you believe them? I have a free energy device too.

Oh, I have one too. I just don't believe them because I'm the only one who can work my special device. It only works in my lab (house), and its the only one to exist. (I proved it)

Well I actualy have one.(No sarcasm)

. I'd be interested in seeing it. Or at least hearing about it.

Well its very simple to build, but the way it works is extremely complex. I'll tell you how if you promise not to try to say you invented it.

Materials: -magnet (strong and big is best) -water -volt meter w/wire 1-connect the negative wire to the magnet 2-put the magnet and the other wire inth the water (don't let them touch) Your done! This is an intentionaly de-optimised version, and will only produce .2-.6 volts and a few microamps. I have tested this directly shorted for 26 hours and it showed a higher output afterwards!

My money says that the magnet and the wire were different metals, and the water was not completely pure, so you have actually created a simple battery.

Try it with
- distilled water
- salty water
- vinegar or lemon juice in water

.. and I bet you at least 10p you will have a negligible voltage/current in the first case, and a slightly higher one in the second and third case. If you have access to iron and copper wire, try those without the magnet in vinegar/lemon juice- it should work far better than your version with a magnet and water. Either that, or you have invented a free energy device in which case I will try one myself.

A friend called me up when doing her A-level physics practical and said "I was trying to measure the conductance of this flame and it has negfative resistance- have I invented magic?" (or words to that effect). If anything she was more pleased when I explained that the steel crocodile clips on copper plates she was using were creating a thermocouple that was producing a voltage and confusing her multimeter.

tl;dr- Lemon Battery

Thats what I thought at first. But there are too very important things that prove otherwise that I discovered during experimentation. 1-After being diectly shorted for 26 hours it had a slightly higher output. 2-The magnet doesn't HAVE to touch the water, but it is better if it does. If you put 2 steel electrodes in a cup of water and check the voltage it will show 0 volts, mabe a couple micro volts. Then, if you take out the negative wire, magnetize it, and dip it back in, it will produce a small voltage (a few tenths of a volt) that slowly bleeds off as it de-magnetizes. Try it, if you have a volt meter it costs almost nothing.

I read that as: "I proposed to him." :D Oops!

I seem to remember them supplying "Faulty meters" during tests, I'll dig around and find out about them.

That is cool!

It seems this device is so "Groundbreaking" that the BBC themselves were gullible enough to give the company an interview :-P

Read it via engadget.

Ooh, a "Secret catalyst". I'm not convinced until I see some science behind it, and you may know something's up when the inventors are "baffled as to how it works".

Farnsworth: Hmm. Let me see that vial, Bender. [He takes it and puts it in a microwave-like machine. A readout prints and he looks at it and gasps.] Good Lord! According to the spectrolizer, Spargle's magic ingredient was ... water. Ordinary water! [Everyone gasps.] Hermes: No! Fry: Ah, so the real gift Spargle gave you was confidence. The confidence to be your best. Farnsworth: Yes, ordinary water. Laced with nothing more than a few spoonfuls of LSD.

You have to be a member of the generation of the Beatles (or is that the beetles)
"all you need is love....."

Yeah I agree, if there is a "secret ingredient" that prevents anyone else from replicating the results (proving it to not be fraudulent), then that secret ingredient does not exist. They could have avoided this by saying the ingredient was some hard to get extract from the Wubiwubi beetle only found in one corner of South Africa.

No, I'm not a member of the Beatles generation, but I have seen yellow submarine ;-) Nowhere Man>All

Well you got one over me then. I have never seen (nor really want to see) any of their movies.

*LOL*

"A Hard Day's Night" is really quite good.

Absolutely. What's with all the close-mindedness about art? (especially if you haven't seen it) Oh, yeah, i forgot. Hippiephobia.

Hippiephobia ? That was "My Generation" (remember the song?) ;-)

Quadraphobia? ;-) Or remember the late, great Lester Bangs (Creem magazine.)

Lester Bangs was Bob Dylan. He was my Lou Reed. Lester Bangs was a Difference Maker...Lester Bangs had a gift: An amazing ability to write about music in general, and rock music in particular, with a commoner's voice. He was the fan's fan. He was intensely passionate about music, yet entirely approachable. He didn't wax poetic or philosophical in a snobbish sense; he only purveyed a fine sense of dignity in his presentation and a respect for the music fans he knew placed value in his view. He was the people's critic, and I loved him right from the start. -- Kurt Hernon Ah the past, when "stereophonic" music made it's debut...

I devoured Banks as a kid. Recall writing a freshman english paper on the Beatles in Banks-style, and getting an 'F' (I'm sure for 'my' opinions alone.) He would weep at the state of music today...

However, I'm a little mellower now, and think that music and art are big enough to allow a little pretentiousness to sneak in. So I'm less of purist, I guess.

Re: 'A Hard Days Night'--it's not 'touchie-feelie-feelgood' at all. That stuff came later...

Music was "background" for me when I was younger. AM radio when studying, Lawrence, the classics as heard on Bugs Bunny (yeah, that is mainly where I picked up my love for classical music), the "Really Big Shoooo" ;-) , and a mixture of other sources. My biggest love as a youngster were the ballads. Now, I have such a wide range I listen to I can't really count one over another in preference....except in a situational stance ( 4/4 chamber music if relaxing, Trepak etc. if in a more lively mood. I have a few CD's of The Trans-Siberian Orchestra (not just your normal classical music :-) ), etc. Jazz, even opera on occasion.

Sorry, not just Lawrence....but Lawrence Welk *LOL*

Opps. Sorry Lester. Misspelled Bangs. Twice.

I recommend it stays that way. Psychedelic isn't the word.

I still want to see Fantasia though....um, have we officially strayed from the subject ? *sowy*

Nah everyone loves a hijacker. Ain't that right Weissensteinburg? ;-)

Yellow Submarine is one of #1 son's favourite films, and he's not quite 11 yet.

It was on TV, then he demanded a tape. It's getting a bit thin, now.

Maybe time to wean him off on something like "Open Season" *LOL*

that was my favorite video when I was little, the graphics where a little scary now that I look back :)