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K'NEX Gun: RSEC (Red's Shell Ejecting Carbine) Answered

Hey guys! Well, here is my most recent project, the RSEC (Shell Ejecting Carbine). The title really explains it all, it is a shell ejecting carbine... of sorts. Technically, the definition of a carbine is a gun that is in rifle form, but shoots pistol / SMG ammunition. This gun does not EXACTLY fit that definition, as it shoots blue rods, which is the K'NEX equivalent of a rifle round, but, all the same, I'm gonna call it a carbine.

The thing that perplexed me about this gun is it's pin pull-back length. You see, the pin pull-back length on my K'NEX Gun: Reliable (R3) outdistanced the RSEC's pin-pull length, but I'd bet you that the RSEC would get better range, even without shells. I couldn't really tell you why that is, but, more likely than not, it is a result of the barrel. The R3 has a long barrel, which may mess with the rounds, but this, the RSEC, has no barrel (I.E. the rounds are shot right out of the magazine into the open air). Let that be a lesson to us all, K'NEX barrels are pretty much useless (which may be part of the reason why K'NEX bullpups are no good).

Features:
  • Great range: 50 - 70 ft. (even without the shells)
  • Comfortable
  • Everything in the gun is well situated (IMO)
  • Nice 'n short, just like I wanted it
  • Heavily modifiable
  • True-trigger operated
  • Good pull-back-length
  • Hand guard
  • Shoots shell ammunition OR non-shelled ammo


-The Red Book of Westmarch

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Yeah. Every NOVA game I played had an addicting storyline and even better fps controls. I'm not to far in it yet but I like to play it when I find time.

Can't you see the asault rifle they use in NOVA in this gun? Just imagine making a solid diagonal section from the front of the gun to the tip of the hand guard.

I have no idea! I'm just as suprised as you are. Hmmm wonder what he did. Guess I'll go ask an administrator.

Yeah! hmmm maybe he deleted it as he might make a new account? This is bad since we can't view any of his Ibles no longer.

Deffinitly bad. I just hope he wasn't kicked out.

I just asked Kiteman so I'll tell you if he knows anything about it.

indeed. I can tell you one thing at least there wasn't any foul language in any of the comments with me today ( to my knowledge ). They also wiped all his comments off my discussion tab, like he never contacted me...

I reckon he has broke a policy or passed the ''be nice'' policy in some way without actually knowing it. I can't see Akshat clicking 'delete' on his page.

Hehe, I didn't see this little conversation till today! Well, if you saw my forum topic, I was just hacked and then the hacker changed my accounts e-mail address to something else. It was like 2 o clock in the night when I got the e-mail of my account's e-mail address being changed, and I saw that e-mail in the morning.

As soon as I saw that e-mail, I came to this site to see my account, but it got deleted till then.

Then I asked mikeasauras for my account back using this account, but then he said that it wouldn't be possible, because I used the same username.

So here I am today, but look at it! I made the same i'ble twice and this time it got featured! That's a good sign! Thanks for your support (and to Jonny too!)

Any time! You think I wouldn't be concerned when the ibler that's filled 97% of my inbox with gun ible requests.

BTW, which i'ble did you want when my account got deleted? I have all the pics!

No no no you sillies. He deleted his own comment. I saw the commetn he made and it was not bad in any way... XD, you two are hillarious.

hmmm.... I see potential here, and a very handsome gun! I need to watch to forums more often. I will definitely try building a gun with that shape!

That is one neat gun, good job!

If you would like to try a non-sucking version of shell ejection check out this:

https://www.instructables.com/id/Knex-Shell-ejecting-Bolt-action-Spring-loaded-ma/

I have pictures of the mechanism on my ible, random kne pictures

OK, finally, for some reason there was a bug where it would sign me out and wouldn't let me sign back in whenever I viewed this topic, so I couldn't post.

First off, I know this was already clarified for the most part, but I just want to make sure: a carbine has nothing to do with the ammunition and everything to do with the length of the gun. And then this is more of a relative thing. It used to mean a shorter version of either the same gun or a close relative of it. This kind of stuck through history but also now means just being generally of the length of other carbines, shorter than full rifles, but longer than pistols and SMGs.

As for this gun: Please tell me, Red, you didn't know this fundamental principle of K'nex barrels. >_< We learned long ago that you really don't need to have a barrel because it doesn't help accuracy all that much but it'll add friction and reduce range. The only use a bullpup would have is in the case of a slingshot where length does matter. As for shell ejection, I do believe it's still an untapped concept. If done right, shelled ammo can have as much range as a turret or a bolt action without the complications of either. It's pretty much like a direct feed repeater just that you have to account for the shells. I may give one of these a go in the future. And geez, a little easier on the cut pieces, yeh?

Sorry, it has taken me a long time to reply, hasn't it? My bad...

Addressing your definition of a Carbine, I totally agree with you, and have been corrected on that account beforehand (by dr. richtofen). The reason I put what I put in the description is that I must have been ill-informed... I make no excuses, I was wrong. All the same, the definition that I put was based off of the M4 9mm carbine... it is called a carbine primarily (at least, I think so) because it is an AR but it shoots 9mm. Nevertheless, you are correct.

As to the fundamental principal of K'NEX guns (that of having no barrel is best), I have known that for quite some time. I assume that you did not get the sarcasm that drips from that last area of the paragraph. Sorry, I tend to write in sarcastic terms too often, and people tend to think I am serious.

I don't think that SE guns are generic (even though that generic is the wrong word to use)... apparently dr. richtofen does, but I am glad you agree with me. At least, I think you agree with me... "As for shell ejection, I do believe it's still an untapped concept. If done right, shelled ammo can have as much range as a turret or a bolt action without the complications of either"

Broken pieces? Yeah, I know, I used a ton... I just couldn't help myself.

Heard about that new Beretta ARX-100 yet? So. Incredibly. Boss. I. Want. One. NOW.

BTW, seen my new Beretta Modello 59 (see pics below)? What do you think I could improve on?

HNI_0007.JPGHNI_0009.JPGHNI_0017.JPGHNI_0012.JPGHNI_0015.JPGHNI_0016.JPGBM59.jpg

If you would like to try a non-sucking version of shell ejection check out this:

https://www.instructables.com/id/Knex-Shell-ejecting-Bolt-action-Spring-loaded-ma/

I have pictures of the mechanism on my ible, random kne pictures

Have at it bro, but you may have some serious trouble with the ejection part. Ya see, I could never get it to eject shells regularly, so maybe you can make it work.

Have fun!

Cool, I like the sci-fi-y look of it with the longer barrel.
Nice that it can eject shells, but, if I gotta be honest, other than that, it's pretty generic... :/
Good job.

But your definition of carbine is not fully correct, as there are quite a few of 'carbines', that shoot AR rounds, such as 5.56 mm, or even 7.62 (the folding stock variant of the FN FAL is also called either a paratrooper or carbine variant). Often, a carbine is a lighter and shorter variant of a full length rifle (M4, Lee-Enfield No. 5 Mk I etc...)
But there certainly are carbines that fire pistol / smg ammo.
Sorry, I just had to do that :/

Thanks bro, I am glad you think it looks nice, but you know how I fell about the word generic... XD To be honest though, there are not that many shell ejection guns out there, so I don't think it is THAT "generic."

What you said about my definition of carbine is fully true, which is why I said: "...Technically, the definition of a carbine is a gun that is in rifle form, but shoots pistol / SMG ammunition..." I don't disagree with you in any way, but it has been my experience that carbines TEND to be a gun with a rifle body that shoots pistol/SMG ammo. Anything that does not really fit that definition does not really seem like a carbine to me.

XD, Google definitions is not going to help me out with this one. All Google definitions says is: "a light automatic rifle."

Yes, I know how you feel about that word.... ;p
What I mainly meant with the generic part, was that, if you look past the shell ejecting mechanism, it's pretty generic. I can't really say it more clear, because I'm typing this, and not saying it directly to you, which would make it more clear. So I hope you understand what I mean...

Google is a scumbag, in more than one way... ;p
And, besides that, everyone has a different view on what things are. :)

I'll leave a comment on that page :p

Why I used the word yay? Well, why not? ;p
Meh
I like that word, I guess, and it suits a lot of different situations :)

"Cool, I like the sci-fi-y look of it with the longer barrel.
Nice that it can eject shells, but, if I gotta be honest, other than that, it's pretty generic... :/
Good job." "Dr. Richtofen"
Couldn't agree more =D
also why use so many broken pieces?

Ah, o.......k.....?

As to the broken pieces, why not? I mean, I have them, and this gun might not work so well, nor look so good without them....