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A boy in the UK uses a couple of vacuum cleaners to climb walls like Spiderman. It's an amazing thing for a 13 year-old to do and... wait a second. This is just a copy of something that was demonstrated on TV in the UK well before this.

So let's start over. A boy in the UK shows that you can get some media attention for doing a recreation of something that's already been established as amazing, even in the same country. Pretty shameless.

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nickodemus

8 years ago

What I like about this... He's only 13!

It's great to see that makers big and small are all over the world.

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eneergcamKryptonite

Reply 8 years ago

Also it is pretty cool that he is climbing a wall with a vacuum cleaner. haha.

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Kryptoniteeneergcam

Reply 8 years ago

The fact he is doing and he is 13 is probably what's most amazing.

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eneergcamKryptonite

Reply 8 years ago

gonna have to agree with Kryptonite on this one Nickodemus

Yeah, when I saw this I was fairly surprised that it was getting any air time especially after it was just a copy of a project made in a programme on the same BBC channel, although there was no mention of the fact that the Mythbusters had already done this years before. On the subject him being 13, he made it in the workshop with his teacher at GRAMMAR SCHOOL, they gots all the monies!!! My damn school even made me buy the materials for my GCSE coursework because they had used 'all' the MDF on other people (the shop technician had abut 20 2m sheets in there for himself.

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el_roboto_loco

8 years ago

all the people who ever climbed Mount Everest after the first guy...they're all copycats.

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Ramireex

8 years ago

I think that if he is not representing it as his own original idea then there really isn't any plagarism involved. Plagerism usually refers to a written word or something put down on paper. We have gone so far and done so much, it is really rare that we will be the first ones to do something. It may be a first time for us but not the first time it was done. He may not even remember where he saw it or the circumstances surrounding the "epiphany" I look at it as a 13 year old kid doing something fun, creative, and allowing us to see it also. I don't see copyright infringement or patent jumping. Let the kid enjoy his moment, congratulate his own process to meet the goal, and rejoice that someone has instilled the idea in this guy that a lot of really strange things are possible. If he wants to be clever, he can say he explored the current evidence-based practice literature and he came up with a better way.

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chamunks

8 years ago

This is soo awesome I've allways wanted to see someone who wasnt corporate sponsored do something like this... Totally FTW.

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porcupinemamma

8 years ago

Oh who cares?! At least he's not out robbing stores or addicted to street drugs. Way to go for him. Regardless of where he got the idea. He's implementing it and having fun. Get a grip people (ha ha that was punnie)

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porcupinemammacaitlinsdad

Reply 8 years ago

I did re-think my response, and I think he should have attributed credit to the original designer, plagerism is not right, but I truly wonder if he even knew that it wasn't his original idea. He was interviewed by The BBC and I wonder if they pointed it out, or if he had changed specs enough to make it unique. I know I used to dream about walking up the walls when I was a kid. Now I get to for real when my grandchildren come and visit. BTW, what my initial reaction was a defense mechanism, because I thought people were focussing on the negative aspects too much. Perhaps a gentle note with a link to the original inventor would help him think about his response.

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MichelMoermansporcupinemamma

Reply 8 years ago

I don't think anyone here is focussing to much on the negative aspects here. Like I said it's cool that the kid made it and probably he did make some improvements and such and he should be rewarded for that. But saying that he developed it is a bridge to far for me. I hate it when people plagarize other peoples cool inventions....

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porcupinemammaMichelMoermans

Reply 8 years ago

If you read the first line of my second comment, you will see that I also do not condon plaigarism-but do you think he knew he was copying? I'm just not sure. Do you have a link to the original invention? I could send it to his youtube video, with a kind note. You are right; It should be addressed, but not in a way to humiliate and discourage him, as I'm sure you agreee :0)-and I know that you never suggested it should be. I will ask him how he think he would feel if his original ideas were coppied by someone and that then she/he said they did it instead of him. I remember a kid copied my poem in school and the teacher didn't believe I had written it, until I started to cry so hard, she knew I wasn't lying. I must have been in grade two, and I still remember. Another kid read"The Night before Christmas" that year and claimed it was his work. Boy did he ever get a tongue lashing. We all knew what the word plagerism meant after that lol

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MichelMoermansporcupinemamma

Reply 8 years ago

Yes I saw your second comment I'm saying I agree with you :) I just wanted you to know that neither me or Fungus didn't admire that the kid actually build it. We are just a little mad that he said he developed it himself. I actually think he knew he was copying. After seeing spiderman I wanted to invent something to climb walls to but I never came up with the vacuum idea. It's ofcourse possible that he accidently came up with something someone else already thought off, with this many people on the internet it's bound to happen. But I find that the similarities between their two designs are to many to be a coincidence..

But ofcourse we should give him a chance to hear his side of the story. you'll find the links for the youtube video here: https://www.instructables.com/community/English-Spiderman-climbs-walls-with-vacuum-cleaner/ :)

I had some plagarism problems with my kamishibai project on school (you can see a slideshow on my ible page) to. I made a fully automatic curtain that could open and close at the touch of a button. But somebody in my class copied my work and the teacher came to her desk first and she said she invented it. Ofcourse I couldn't allow that so I confronted her with assistence of the teacher. Luckily this one got resolved pretty quickly as she couldn't actually explain how it worked :p

She just copied the parts and everything from me but she didn't even know what happend when you clicked the button :p

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porcupinemammaporcupinemamma

Reply 8 years ago

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/06/boy_climbs_walls_with_vacuum_cleaners.html This is a link you might be interested in. You could ask the child yourself...but remeber, he is a child.

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lunar lord

8 years ago

Can you say MythBusters wanna be?

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xACIDITYx

8 years ago

Has anybody asked the kid where he got the idea to do it?

If so, was his answer "lol bored" or was it "I saw it done previously and thought it was cool and wanted to try it"? Or perhaps he _did_ attempt it on his own without any knowledge of the previous attempt?

Plenty of people have climbed Mt. Everest, too. That doesn't mean everybody who does it is shamelessly after media attention.

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fungus amungusxACIDITYx

Reply 8 years ago

Read the article. His teacher says he developed it himself. Yes, lots of people climb Mt. Everest, but they don't claim to be the first as they do so.

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xACIDITYxfungus amungus

Reply 8 years ago

So you're saying he didn't develop it himself? Did he buy a kit online or somethign?

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xACIDITYxfungus amungus

Reply 8 years ago

Sure. I'd still say he made it himself, and as it was the teacher who said he made it by himself and not he who said it, if anybody is to blame for the mis-crediting, it would be the teacher, although I honestly don't see this as something to get worked up over.

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fungus amungusxACIDITYx

Reply 8 years ago

Right, now click the bottom link in the post. It has a video of him talking about it.

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xACIDITYxfungus amungus

Reply 8 years ago

I just don't see the point in fretting over this; he's 13, probably saw it on the telly, and there's not a doubt in my mind he "made" (developed) it all by himself.

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fungus amungusxACIDITYx

Reply 8 years ago

I'm not angry at the kid. What he does doesn't affect me. I'm saying that what he did is pretty shameless with the media stories about it. All of my replies to you have simply been pointing out he links in the post. I have no doubt he made it. That's clear. I highly doubt that he developed it, another thing entirely.

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MichelMoermansxACIDITYx

Reply 8 years ago

Okay all and all there is a possibility that he developed it himself. But I think that in this case it is clear that that is not the case. If you have the same idea almost always will your way of building it be very different from the way someone else does it. This kid however has the same setup in his hand right down to the backpack and things to hold his feet. You can't tell me that he thought of this himself and then made it exactly the same way as someone else...

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urbanprimate

8 years ago

Jem Stansfield did this some time ago. I'm a big fan of the Planet Mechanics (JS and Dick Strawbridge). Both also made considerable contribution to Junkyard Wars (or Scrapyard Challenge, depending on where you're watching it). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNOEP1XIFiM

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Kiteman

8 years ago

Let's get some perspective here - yes, the kid copied the idea, but nobody seems to have noticed that (AFAIK) the plans are not available online - all he's had to go on is the BBC video.

Secondly, he seems to have improved on the original, because the kid's version can climb brick walls - the BBC version couldn't cope with the leaks caused by the joints between the bricks.

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MichelMoermansKiteman

Reply 8 years ago

yes it could, if you watch the bbc one you can see that he can hang on brick walls (it's shown in the first video fungus posted) he even says that through his rubber he can get good grip even with the joints...

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MichelMoermans

8 years ago

Well Chinese people copy everything it's in their nature I suppose...

No but in all seriousness... That's in pretty poor taste. He should atleast aknowledge the fact that someone did it before him. Although some kids can really create some really cool stuff nobody can believe he just came up with "I can be spiderman if I attatch two vacuum cleaners to my back" and didn't think it was impossible.

It's cool and all that this kid did make this and he should be credited for that but he should be confronted with the fact that someone did the same thing well before him. It's one thing that you recreate something you saw on the internet (I do that alot to) but I always credit the original creators.

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fungus amungusMichelMoermans

Reply 8 years ago

Well, Japanese. Or half-Japanese from the look of his picture. And yes, recreating is fine. Passing it off as your own creation isn't.