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Login button now hidden behind "Answers" Answered

Hi All,
After upgrading to Fedora 14 I find that the login button is now hidden behind the "Answers" tab at the top of the screen. See attached image.  I accidentally found a different way to login when I went to create this posting. Otherwise I'd been out of luck.
I'm using FIrefox 3.6.13 as my browser.
Thanks
FisherOfRolander

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magore

7 years ago

I have the exact same problem as the original report.Same I have Firefox 3.6.13 on Ubuntu 10.04
The answer button hides the login dialog - thankfully examining the html shows that www.instructables.com/account/login is a work around. Can someone look into this?

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kelseymhmagore

Reply 7 years ago

The problem has to do with setting the default font size, rather than letting I'bles show you teeny-tiny text. I'm using FF 3.6.13 on my MacBook. If I set the minimum size to 14 pt, I can still see the "Logout" link, but it overlaps Answers a bit. If I bump the minimum up to 16 pt, the two are completely entanged.

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kelseymh

7 years ago

Thanks for the screenshot! I just tried this myself on FF 3.6.13 on my MacBook (10.5.8), and don't see what you see. The complete "Sign up now or login" phrase is to the left of Answers, and all visible. I tried zooming in and out, but everything scaled correctly. I also tried with Safari, and also didn't see what you describe.

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StumpChunkmankelseymh

Reply 7 years ago

Hopefully it got fixed? I will say, in FisherOfRolando's defense, less then a month ago, when I clicked on login, and entered my username and password, I couldn't click the login button to login, because it was hidden behind the Solar Channels solar panel. For whatever reason, on one computer I had, it kicked the Login button down to the next line, and it only did it on one computer. Another computer, same OS, same browser, worked fine. I just clicked up there to see if it was fixed, and it's one solid bar now....I think other people might have been having my problem and now it's fixed :-D

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kelseymhStumpChunkman

Reply 7 years ago

Bump. Hi, Matt. I'm bumping up this topic because of two "new" issues which I think relate to it.

First, take a look at the OP's original screen shot. Instead of the small yellow "Submit" link in the far right corner, he's got the longer "Submit Instructable." Because of the way I'bles has the masthead layout done, those right-side tabs expand leftward, and interfere with the "central" links. If you're going to do that kind of positional layout, then you're responsible for putting in cross-checks to ensure that the blocks don't collide. Otherwise, positioning should be left up to the user's browser.

Second, I've decided to finally admit that I'm getting old. Specifically, I have reconfigured my Firefox browser to use a much larger font (I'm using 18pt) as the default, and to set a very large "minimum size" (14pt). I've also used settings so that other sites cannot override my font sizes with their own. Now I can read pages without having to squint or lean way back in my chair.

Unfortunately, I'bles had done a lot of hardcoding of dimensions throughout the site, which is not accessible to users with low vision, and makes the site both unfriendly and potentially useless. With my current font settings, the "central" and "right" masthead links are quite close to each other, as shown in the first image.

As an experiment, I increased the default font size to 24pt (it's going to happen eventually...), and the minimum font size to 20pt. Now you see (second image) that the two groups of links have collided and overlap with each other, making several of them unusable.

This is quite different behaviour than Firefox's "zoom" mechanism. The latter (which is not configurable as a "default," but must be done for each page manually) simply scales up the pixel presentation of the page (e.g., the horizontal scroll bar gets bigger and bigger).

18pt-masthead.gif24+20pt-masthead.gif
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lebowskikelseymh

Reply 7 years ago

I've been playing around with the zoom feature and both Firefox and Chrome are saving my settings on each website. We are working on ways to make the site more readable for everyone.

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kelseymhlebowski

Reply 7 years ago

Hi, Cloude. That's correct. With Firefox, it does preserve the zoom state as a function of Web site -- all pages from a given host are given the zoom level you specify.

My "complaint," which I could have worded better, is that FF doesn't provide a global (e.g, preferences setting) to zoom all pages everywhere by a given amount. You have to do it yourself, using either keyboard or pull-down menu options, for each Web site.

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Lithium Rainkelseymh

Reply 7 years ago

>Now I can read pages without having to squint or lean way back in my chair.

>snickers<

>zooms OUT<

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StumpChunkmankelseymh

Reply 7 years ago

I've been told that the entire header is going to be reworked soon, and that this issue will be known during the coding. So, they'll do their best to fix it when that change goes live.

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kelseymhStumpChunkman

Reply 7 years ago

Cool! Thank you very much, Matt! Making Web pages fully accessible is an extremely difficult problem in general. Unless you've had some experience with it, there are all kinds of subtleties that can arise.

This business of the presentation being sensitive to font size is one of those. Many designers try to avoid the problem by forcing a particular font or font size into their system (e.g., through CSS or through explicit <font> tags), but that makes the page even less accessible.

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Lithium Rain

7 years ago

Ubuntu here - no such bug. :D

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WVvan

7 years ago

I tried changing screen size but hadn't thought about using the zoom before reading your post. I just did and if I zoom in a couple of times the "lo" of the login word appears. See image.
That's enough for me to be able to click on the login and get signed in. I guess I can live with that but it would be nice if they had a "login" button or link at the bottom of the page. It looks like there's room enough down there.
Thanks for the help.

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kelseymhWVvan

Reply 7 years ago

Now that's very interesting. The "zoom" feature, which is intended to provide accessibility for low-vision users, should NOT alter the layout, it should just make everything bigger or smaller.