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Motionactivated camera that sends pic via phone??? Answered

excuse me I'm green here but my brother said this is the place to ask... There are a lot of game cameras for capturing game pics. These are set up around game trails, feeders ect to capture pics of animals(bigfoots) coming and going. They are set in the field and checked periodicly. No big deal if you live close by but there are areas I'd like to check on 100 miles from me. Plus these cames are suject to being stolen.Some one is now making one that send the pic to a website via a Tmoble acct. A great idea, pics are sent when they are taken ( a thief cannot walk home with is photo under his arm). But... $500?? plus acct. activation? and a serparate website? nuts In reviewing the stuff here and failing to find or ask properly...i know there is talent here to create somthing that will work and send the pics directly to an individual email acct. The cheepest digital game cam is $60 at walmart, I figure a cheep pay as you go cell phone and viola! except I'm better at fixing boats. If anyone can put me on the right track to simplifing this I would appriciate it. Thanks cw


liking those options viron. still having concerns about providing power and signal range though. this is going to be placed out in the "sticks" aprox. 30 miles from the point of monitoring. RIght now we are just brainstorming to cover options so keep em comin Thanks Again for your interest and expertise

Viron Thanks for your response you have added a different perspective that i do apppreciate. "digital myth", "forgetting everything I know" ....dude...your cool....I like your posts... but........................... ......I'd be more than happy to go analog. If I can get it all to fit in to nothing bigger than a bread box (power included), not cost more than the option in the orig. post , and be able to transfer images (not nec. when they're orig. taken) up to 10+ miles. I to believe in KISS. Hence the original concept of a $cheap cam phone (trac) loadded with a few minutes for ups. (ie prebuilt, low $). Only cant fig. how with just a phone to wire a cam call (ir, etc. to take photo) or set some kind of sched. to up photo bank. Im/we're open to all sugg., those of analog or dig. variety. Any instructable pointer from the archive would also be helpful. Thanks again.

What you want is a video bug. Think 007 James Bond.
You said you did surveillance.
This is famous from a few years ago:
X-10 Cam
It can be cheaper and better because the digital is Flattening
the analog market. Soon they'll be throwing away the analog video stuff!
Tiny cameras are easily $25-$50. Look here:
CCTV Marlin P Jones
Tiny UHFTV transmitters, don't know the best price,
although an electronics store had a clearance for $25 last year.
I think VCR's are that cheap too, but also found in the trash.
TV's are that cheap, and in the trash.

If trac phones with cameras are this cheap with service,
go ahead and hack them to do this.

Obviously you will ask how to hack the phone. Well it depends on what you have to do to take and send a picture. The mechanism that is triggered by the motion sensor must, and may, by electronic or mechanical means, push the buttons that turn on the phone and take a picture and send it and turn it off. That could involve external buttons and a cam mechanism, or similarly electric contacts on a wheel which is called sheet-metal logic, used in washing machines and for the lighting sequence of amusement park rides and neon signs, or the modern technique that many of us would use would be programming a "basic stamp" to bypass (virtually push) the right buttons in order. Whatever you have and that you can use that's simple and works is good.

Hello all.... Im the brother.?(cant quite get that to sound right) As I explained to my bro. if its plausible... it can be done (more or less) Thoughts... mini-itx with webcam running server (gotta luv nix) using cheap cell as modem to sync/upload to static webpage. Be great if we could hack a phones prog. to manage all (ie cellcam, upload) but I'v had only a little exp. doing SEEM edits. Either way ... IR trigger would be needed to take photo before image is saved and either uploaded asap or on cron sched. Power- Batteries, Solar, etc. Any suggestions etc? I mean think slap cellcam to wall walk away. Get images from distance. Just seems pretty cool on mobile platform. Note: mobility is key I have worked with tcp/ip surv. in past but this would be BadA for the cheap

It looks like you know what you do need, but are confused by what you don't.


11 years ago

First, Forget everything you know, it's wrong. Second, consider hiding the available products from thieves. (Easiest, Cheapest, Quickest) Third, bust the Digital Myth, because analog and digital cameras (webcams too) actually use the same lenses and CCD chips! Fourth, do you know how to set up a surveillance camera to a monitor or a TV, and maybe a recording device? Fifth, have you ever watched TV with an aerial, and used a VCR? Sixth, a motion sensor works like a switch, just like other sensors. Perhaps send a beep on the audio channel when it triggers. On the other end, use a sound sensor to take a picture. (That's not as easy as it sounds, but not too hard either.) Seventh, back to aerial, use a UHF modulator to send the picture from the remote location. A high gain directional beam antenna helps. Eighth, I think maybe we're done. What good is a complicated PC here? If you know, then just do it! So far, no service provider is necessarily involved! Perhaps... Put the PC close to the camera and just stream it away online! But, As far as I'm concerned, it's the slowest part of the mouse trap, which gives the "mouse" plenty of time to get away. You might rather put a wifi cam out there, because you still believe in the digital myth, and wifi is conveniently linked to that PC. And maybe you think there are camera thieves walking around with analog TV's instead of wifi-enabled devices, tuning their UHF knobs, looking for cameras to steal. So put up decoys then.

I forgot an important detail here above: If the camera is so remote that it MUST be wireless and solar-charged, it should only be turned on momentarily by the motion sensor so that it doesn't waste all of it's limited power and bandwidth when no pictures are being taken.

Why a cell as modem instead of a 3G card of some type and a mini itx with a PCMCIA slot, or a gumstix?

yes a cheep phone might not have the capability. The camera has a usb port for data transfer and a SD card for storage/trans. My brother just gave me the camera(www.wildviewcam.com) for my BD and it's in the woods now w/ just the internal 16M sdram. I'm gonna pull it today to see how it works as there are alot of hogs where I set it up. I have'nt been keeping up w/ cell phones as I've always had a great plan, and seemingly indistructable nokia. It makes and recives calls and thats it. After years of watching people fight their new gadjit phones and fume about their plans I just stopped paying attention.I do not know about any data ports in the new phones,code pics are sent in, ect. i suppose the phone would have to prompted to check for new pics and send them unless it could be programed to to auto send when a new file has been made. Either way it's better than driving 2 hours to the country or 30 minutes in the boat to monitor game activity.(so long as it can be implemented for less than the current offering)I'm to manage our club this year and will be setting up feed plots, stands ect. We are implimenting a Quality management plan to improve all game on the property so this would be a method of collecting almost real time data. We have had a huge number of turkeys this past deer season which will result in an increase in Coyote and Bobcats which are already hurting the deer.By collecting data on what is where, I can relay that info via pics to other members that are skeptics about the damage the varmints are creating, and to the members who specialize in hunting them. I could simply invest in whats availabe to the market, but that would mean an increase in dues which never is taken lightly. The Taxes on acreage in Ga is going thru the roof.

people with cell phones(with cameras inside) can send photos to people right? the phone Co. charges for that? do they go phone to phone, or phone to internet? how would you get the digital data out of the $60 camera, and how would you get it into the cheap cell phone? Then the cheap phone is not programmable to send on its own decision making ability.

What do you know in terms of electronics? Any experience at all?

I was an electrician for some years and did control wiring....in the 80's ,took a course in DC.Distroyed a 125 in 1 Science fair kit in my youth, had a room w/ somany wires I was chewing on one while I was wiring some stereo Bamm.110 in the mouth... But most of the new stuff..little but I can follow directions good. My brother is more IC ready. cw