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New K'nex ammo! Answered

shoots as accurate as fin ammo and further than oodammo!
i was messing around with several different ideas and came up with my new ammo design
it works amazing with my new rifle ive been experimenting around with and works incredibly well as a group for an amazing shotgun burst
long story short its looking like this shotgun will autoload and shoot over 100ft
its going to pretty much be cheating in a fight
anyway check out my vids here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbybP9lHdso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcwtUebHPoI

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instruct39

8 years ago

so it shoots more than one shot at one trigger pull, right? and is the gun semi-auto?, because an auto loader means it loads a round and pulls the pin for u.

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Knex Lego Maniacinstruct39

Reply 8 years ago

auto load meaning the next rounds automatically load into the chamber when the bolt is pulled back i do have ideas on how to make it shoot semi auto as well meaning shoot each time you pull the trigger

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oodalumpsDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

His accomplishments aren't easy to see for new Knex gun builders. With his pistol, he understood that Knex guns shoot farther when the ammo is hit rather than pushed. With that, he invented the "bullet lock" that keeps ammo held in the front of the barrel. That was a pretty big step for Knex gun building. All the other little perfections like how to keep the handle from disconnecting also added to the gun's worth.

His srv1 wasn't too much of an innovation, but it was the first high quality slingshot that demonstrated that slingshots can be the most powerful type of Knex gun.

The Turreted Rifle wasn't great because of the turret (we already had Knexsayer). It was the extremely simple design that used a nearly-perfect pin and trigger setup that made it so powerful. He managed to do that while keeping it compact and without using too many pieces. Why do you think I used it for the NAR?

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GLAYFoodalumps

Reply 7 years ago

Hi i have a question about your hopper fed pistol that uses killerks grip. My hopper keeps getting jammed is there a way to fix that? Great gun.

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DB2016oodalumps

Reply 7 years ago

I think I'm coming across as naive, but I am annoyed to see his cheesy spam advertisements on so many ibles and have so few instructables.

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instruct39DB2016

Reply 7 years ago

your one to talk, you dont even have an instructable for a knex gun of your own design, let alone it even being good or innovative.

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DB2016instruct39

Reply 7 years ago

1. I have been on the site for less than a week, so cut me some slack. I actually have something coming up soon.

2. "Innovative"? I don't mean to offend the guy, but here's what I see:

- A block trigger pistol.
- A sniper, but anybody with that many pieces can build a 12 foot long slingshot. That's not very... Innovative... Not to mention he uses modified bullets.
- A turret gun that, while impressive, has been going around for a while.
- A magnum using a unique but not new rail design.

How does he gain fans? Hype. And few people see through it.

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H1T4TCH1DB2016

Reply 7 years ago

I don´t know if you know, but this guy has made the 12th knex gun on this site, and since almost all (good) working knex gun ideas started on instructables: with that pistol he invented the pin-with-rubberbands idea that's used very, very often in a knex gun nowadays
o, and before I forget:

LOOK AT THE DATE INSTRUCTABLES HAVE BEEN POSTED!

the 'block trigger pistol' : Oct 31, 2006

the sniper (sr-v1) : Dec 23, 2007

since knex guns started in the late months of 2006: this is very innovative. a part of the future of knex guns was in his hands.

AND he did a very good job on the further modding of the br8 and tr18.

post an ible yourself first, than i'll see if you're as good and innovative as KILLERK

read and do some research before commenting .

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DB2016H1T4TCH1

Reply 7 years ago

I never said he wasn't any good. I'm just saying knex has been around since the early nineties, more than a decade before guns on ibles. Again, give me a chance to post something since I have been on the site for a week and can't find a camera, although it is all set up. Notice how I haven't gone around posting a shadow of it on everyone's ibles. I am almost certain knex guns have been around longer than over a decade over the creation of knex guns themselves.

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H1T4TCH1DB2016

Reply 7 years ago

this isn't about how long knex or knex guns exists, this is about you pretending that KILLERK hasn't been innovative with the things he made.

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DB2016H1T4TCH1

Reply 7 years ago

1. It is so simple to build a gun that isn't a block trigger, I never hit that stage, I found a simple way to build a realistic trigger. What he made was a block trigger, whatever little gimmicks he had with it weren't exactly "innovative".

Innovative: To invent or begin to apply methods, ideas etc.

- World English Dictionary

Did he invent a new mechanism or design? No, block triggers existed before then, and while his sniper rifle's length is impressive, I argue that with that many pieces such a feat isn't difficult, as at that point you are just making a tension machine. Slingshots have been around for ages.

His guns are good, I never said that they weren't any good, but my main point is he build so much hype and spam with cheesy advertisements and gimmicks like this than posting actual guns.

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DJ RadioDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

Ok. Let's create a scenario based on your logic.

Randy Farmer invents the cotton gin, but doesn't bother to tell anyone except his slaves who need to use it, and since nobody believes the slaves, the invention is believed to have not existed since nobody was told about it.

Eli Whitney "invents" the cotton gin a year later, tells people, and even gets a patent. Upon hearing this, Randy Farmer comes out and tells the public he made the same thing a year before, despite the fact that he never told anyone or never got a patent on it. Who's more likely to be believed?

Even more importantly, who was contributing more to the farming community? Eli Whitney obviously, because he was the one making his invention public and sharing it with other people and making other's lives easier. Randy Farmer on the other hand kept it to himself until someone else invented the same thing, and all he did after that was try and take credit for it, which really doesn't accomplish anything.

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DB2016DJ Radio

Reply 7 years ago

You are limiting yourself to a single website, and you are not reading AT ALL what I said below this comment. That is a different situation altogether.

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DJ RadioDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

Single website? I thought you were talking about people who make knex stuff but don't post it online at all. That's what my scenario is comparing here. Besides that there was no major centralized hub for knexers that let people made knex guns until 2006. I think Sscoasters was here before the knex community on ibles but it only let people make coasters.

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DB2016DJ Radio

Reply 7 years ago

My point was, I was making knex guns since I was four, and thousands of other kids too, but on ONE website over a decade later things started to pick up. In 1998, the first JPEG enabled cameras hit the market. That is probably a big reason why knex guns weren't online before then. I think you are missing my point.

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DJ RadioDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

True. My point is that you don't get points for having an invention that nobody knows about.

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DB2016DJ Radio

Reply 7 years ago

Right, but I think it's safe to say that if someone patented the smiley emoticon, e.g. : ), everyone would know he didn't make it up, he just went public with it.

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H1T4TCH1DB2016

Reply 7 years ago

He did invent things. Read my comments carefully. You will see that I am talking about the new mechanism he invented: The pin idea, not the block trigger. Because this isn't the 1st gun on the site ut the 12th one, I can't say if he really did invented it himself, but ask to DJradio or some other pro-knexers, they will know. Main thing is, that he had a big input in future knexing. Oh, and about the sniper (SR-v1) you were talking about: Many knexers couldn't make things like that back in 2007/2008. Many could nowadays, but there wasn't barely any knowledge on knex guns and mechanisms back then.

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DB2016H1T4TCH1

Reply 7 years ago

Again, you are limiting yourself to Instructables. Now that that's been said, who are the other first knex gunners? Who's the fifth? Who's the tenth? Who else had good ideas? I AM NOT SAYING KILLERK IS BAD. I am saying his jump from the knex cannon to the block trigger pistol wasn't nearly as great as the jump to true-triggered handle mag guns. Again, a sniper a couple of feet long with the same connector pattern, while new, isn't exactly "innovative", but if it were 6 in. long and got good range, THEN i would be innovative. I'm using extremes, but surely you see my point.

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H1T4TCH1DB2016

Reply 7 years ago

again, do some research dude! you gotta open your eyes to see stats and range. I'll let you do the research yourself now, the only thing I say: the range of the sr-v1 and v2 are not what you expect ;)

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DB2016H1T4TCH1

Reply 7 years ago

Cute. Let's get this straight: What happens to air when you travel really fast? It turns into molasses. Simple physics dictate that a small, lightweight plastic rod could not travel 500 feet, at least, not without some sort of modification: fins. Now, the bullet is more aerodynamic and stable in flight. But now you're launching something that includes foreign objects. When you get to that point, you are creating something outside of knex, and that is like "cheating", whether it's in a war or contest. Not to mention, did anyone consider 500 feet might be an exaggeration? Especially considering that's about 20 times the average knex gun's distance, which usually is 20-30 feet. That's ridiculous, and how did he get so many people to follow his lead? Spam and hype.

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H1T4TCH1DB2016

Reply 7 years ago

I never said it could travel 500 feet, and I don't believe it myself either.

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oodalumpsDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

"When you get to that point, you are creating something outside of knex, and that is like "cheating""

I also feel that way about finammo. You should check out knexinnovation.net and #KIchat. KILLERK and a lot of other big knexers go to KIchat, so you can ask questions or argue or whatever. Expect profanity and insults (usually jokingly), though.

The chat's IRC information is:
irc.darkmyst.org
#kichat

Or just click this link

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DB2016oodalumps

Reply 7 years ago

Thanks man, I was hoping there was a chat-box somewhere... Thanks!

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Knex Lego ManiacDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

sooo u hate me? ; P lol
Srv2 500ft was the furthest i got the gun to shoot... believe it
TRs 350ft is the furthest i can get that gun to shoot... believe it
and long story short
fin ammo rocks i took a lot of time developing exactly how to make the fins where to place em on the rods how sturdy they are etc...
i don't claim to be god but i do know a thing or two about making knex guns
i try making war guns thats it
if it doesn't hold up or have a place at a war indoor or outdoor u would find me building it
i love building because its fun... i spam to show off my work... i spam to get feedback and learn from others... not to get approval or ratings or any of that
i build for fun as u should too
if you don't like my guns... don't build em... if u want to be popular build guns that are better then my own don't spend hrs complaining... whats the point?

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DB2016Knex Lego Maniac

Reply 7 years ago

I wasn't trying to start an argument. I stated my opinions about what I thought, none of it was personal, just my opinions, period. I just didn't like the spam, I thought it was cocky. I didn't spend hours complaining, I DO build my own guns I just don't post them because 1. I can't find a camera at the moment and 2. I end up tweaking and modding my own stuff to the point it's almost ridiculous, I wasn't putting you down or anything, I was just saying what I thought about hype and it quickly became bitter, and I'm sorry for that. I don't mind your guns, it's the way you advertise them that makes me cringe.

I really don't like it when I have to talk like this, let's just end it at this, we both heard the others' opinion, so hopefully we understand each other enough to just end it now.

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Knex Lego ManiacDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

no problem man
by the way
im the exact same way... i barely post stuff because i am continually modding my stuff lol

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DB2016Knex Lego Maniac

Reply 7 years ago

Cool, hahaha. I guess I understand you more now, I just didn't know you the same way I do now, is all. Thanks for understanding!

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MepainDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

(you usually have to stay for more than 2 minutes)

We saw that you were in there literally 1 minute after you left

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DB2016Mepain

Reply 7 years ago

Haha I didn't know anybody noticed. I need a site like KI because I have some really nice stuff but it's all guns on ibles.

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DB2016TheFoofinator

Reply 7 years ago

Not true. There are sections for Models, Mechanisms, Vehicles, etc. and although there are lots of guns, the epidemic isn't as bad as Instructables.

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TheFoofinatorDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

I know that, the websites are proportional. There is probably the same ratio of guns to non guns on here as there is on KI, it's just there isn't much posted there any more.

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KnarezTheFoofinator

Reply 7 years ago

More like the irc channel is much more active, mainly because everyone that we actually care about sharing things with pops in there.

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TheFoofinatorKnarez

Reply 7 years ago

KIchat? Sorry I rarely go into it, I might drop by some time.

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TheFoofinatorDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

This isn't a 'cheesy advertisement'. He's just a lazy builder, lots of people are. He posts a forum topic topic about an upcoming build, then no longer has the motivation to continue with it. I agree, some pictures would be nice so we could continue with it. The fact that he no longer posts much on here is because this isn't his main website.

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DB2016TheFoofinator

Reply 7 years ago

In the video, he could have been throwing a rock for all we know. It's not lazy, it's just he wants you guys to get all excited about something he'll never post, that way he gets views and fans because they check in day after day to see if he's posted it yet.

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TheFoofinatorDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

That is not true. KillerK is not like that. I admit he did spam a lot with his grenade thing last year, I don't know why he did that. There are way more builders that spam more than KillerK. This post was a bit selfish I know because he didn't even put a picture of the gun in question. He isn't around enough to care about views/subs/etc any more. I know a few people on this website who would die for the attention killerk gets, and they spam like a spamming machine.

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DB2016TheFoofinator

Reply 7 years ago

He spammed on Gorkem's Rifle with his sniper. He spammed on dsman's sniper with the magnum he never posted. Those are the freshest in my mind right now. Don't ever justify anything by saying other people did it, or did more. The fact is he did it and he did it a lot.

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DB2016TheFoofinator

Reply 7 years ago

If their gun's any good it will get noticed, I'm NOT saying KillerK's not any good I'm saying he went about it all the wrong way.

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TheFoofinatorDB2016

Reply 7 years ago

Its the sad truth. I have seen some amazing guns that have <500 views, and newer bad guns that get too many views, because of spam. Thats (unfortunately) the way to get many followers here, the website is too big. It's like being a needle in a haystack if you want to get your guns noticed. Thats where KI comes in. Go into KI chat if you want anything noticed, or if you want anything from the KI team, because it is much easier to get your stuff noticed there, despite the decrease in users.

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DJ RadioTheFoofinator

Reply 7 years ago

Actually if you're a known name and/or you have a large subscriber base your stuff will get views by itself.

Creations on KI get more views than on Instructables at a faster rate, but there's little emphasis and little feedback if you aren't as well known.

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H1T4TCH1DB2016

Reply 7 years ago

That's not completely true. You give your opinion with being only a week on the site.

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DB2016H1T4TCH1

Reply 7 years ago

I've been on the site for years, studying mechanisms for other things, only recently have I made an account and built anything, and already built something independent of what anybody else has built. Just because I'm new doesn't render my opinion invalid.

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H1T4TCH1DB2016

Reply 7 years ago

Then I have a question. Did you have an other account ?

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DB2016H1T4TCH1

Reply 7 years ago

No, I never really saw the use, until they slowly took away the power of the non-user and eventually non-pro. You used to be able to view all of the steps on one page as a non-member, now you even have to pay. So no, not until it became necessary in order to build/study other peoples' works.