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Hey ! Back to the subject at hand:  This was to point out either
 #1:  a bug (see post above) or
#2:  that someone is altering their status somehow (this would be worse then a bug).

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Perhaps the Instructable's Robot can spot a troll and that his comments are worth ignoring.

. Hide/delete comments because someone disagrees with you? Isn't that a bit drastic?

I don't think that's all it is, Nacho. Regardless of how either of us feel about the issues being discussed, it's turned from what one might reasonably term a passionate discussion to a...one-man urinating match. TBJ has resorted to rather nasty language and ad hominems - something I didn't see GH do (though I admit I just skimmed that thread). They're (as a gender-neutral pronoun, not referring to both of them) either unable or unwilling to discuss things without personal jabs and insults, and as such I've flagged their comments as violating the "Be Nice" policy.

> one-man urinating match. TBJ has resorted to rather nasty language and ad hominems - something I didn't see GH do (though I admit I just skimmed that thread).
. Please skim a little closer. While GH and crapflinger certainly use more obtuse language, here's some of what they have been up to: implying that ppl are Nazis, calling ppl trolls, saying ppl are ignorant, &c.
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. I sure am glad that you and I have never gotten involved is passionate discussions. ;)

Calling someone a troll is not necessarily Not Nice, though.
That's fine, but what gets me is the blatant rudeness and name-calling. I submit that there _is_ a difference between a subtle implication and "herp a derp derp you're stupid!".

I know! I sure am glad neither one of us ever suggested somebody might be off his/her rocker! I hate people like that! :D

>  Calling someone a troll is not necessarily Not Nice, though.
.  So you're gonna pick the one example that might be a little iffy and go with that? :)  I'm not saying any of them are right (or wrong), just that, from the cheap seats, it's hard to tell the difference between the teams; they look and sound an awful lot alike.
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.  Not all that subtle, IMNSHO. They were clever enough not to come right out and say things, but one doesn't have to read between the lines to see what they mean.

> So you're gonna pick the one example that might be a little iffy and go with that? :)

No. But I _am_ going to say that TBJ has been about a thousand times more offensive than crapflinger+GH have been so far.

.  He has only been more direct. As far as I can tell, all three of them are talking trash, it's just that GH and CF are much better at being obtuse about it.

So where do we draw the line? Next it will be laughing at children being molested, raped, and used in porn movies. And saying those acts are illegal doesn't cut it, misrepresentation of a person or group isn't exactly sanctioned either.

The one exception I might consider was Tina Fey as Sarah Palin. She quoted her verbatim and just imitated exactly how she acted in the interview. I laughed that the interview, I laughed again when I saw Tina Fey.

. Oh geez! Now we're playing the child molester card.
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> So where do we draw the line?
. Good question. What if it were carried to the other extreme? If I, and only I, think something is offensive, then it becomes legally offensive? That's no more ridiculous than your baby rape being funny scenario.
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> And saying those acts are illegal doesn't cut it,
. Yes it does.
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> misrepresentation of a person or group isn't exactly sanctioned either.
. I don't understand what you mean. It doesn't appear to me to be part of the first clause, but I can't be sure.
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> The one exception I might consider
. OK. So as long as GH finds it funny, then it's OK? Even though it may cause Ms. Palin and her family unending misery?
. No. I do not believe that it causes her misery (if it does, she shouldn't have gotten into politics) but I think you see what I mean.

Ok, now that I am much more able to comment intelligently....since I just now finished watching a random episode from the on demand portion of Cable TV, (only takes a little over 40 minutes for the one hour show this way), and I must admit, calling it a comedy is a bit of a stretch. They themselves refer to it as a Comedy-drama and THAT is a bit of a stretch to me.

It was a lot like a soap opera, and I didn't see anything comedic about it at all.   However, the show I picked (they were simply numbered so it WAS truly random) wasn't offensive.  I will have to pick another episode if I decide to watch anymore (felt like a big waste of time to me though).  The episode had all the ingredients of a soap opera however,  adultery, action, intrigue, boredom.  Heavy on the boredom. . .

.  I can't yet tell if you're more intelligent or not, but I have to give you props for making the effort to actually watch the show. High five.
. Yep. Just another (boring) soap opera, IMNSHO.
. If I want comedy, I'll watch Fox "News" >snicker<

Something ELSE I notice about the show.....They pronounce Asperger's with a hard g (as in grit) rather then the more common way, with a soft g as in george.

Do they do no research at all? Or is it just that the locals pronounce it that way?

I don't know, but it may be much like the visitors we get in our area (I won't point out any specific groups, but new yorkers are prone to this ;-) pronouncing Amish with a long A at the beginning making it A - mesh. The German origins requires the a (the letter is pronounced ah, like when letting the dentist look in your mouth) and the i should have more of a long E sound.

This is one of the reasons I would rather watch a show like House, where they have done quite a bit of research before starting a show (although I have caught mistakes there too). They even featured one show centered around a non-verbal autistic. It was pretty accurate in the portrayal.

I'll tell you what, for kicks n grins I also sat down and viewed a "real" comedy: Big Bang Theory.

It wasn't "LOL" funny, but it was most DEFINITELY leaning towards the humorous side, and on top of it, did not warp the Aspie image overly much, and still remained funny.

Because autism is a SPECTRUM, it is impossible to portray one accurately, for sure. Some parent, somewhere, will always find something offensive.

I personally found the description offensive, and if accurate not very much like how most of them act. If you exaggerate something, exaggerate something that happens often enough for people to know what you are talking about not something that doesn't happen often; because then you are "teaching an idea" about how someone acts "much of the time". You, of course meaning the collective you, not you personally :-)

PS: I didn't say I had gotten more intelligent, I said I was able to say more intelligent things about the series in general, since I had now seen at least one episode. ;-) For me to actually say something about the episode in question, I would need to see it (and other episodes). I am not sure it is worth the time at this point however.

> And saying those acts are illegal doesn't cut it, .

Yes it does.

--I actually knew you would reply that way, so can we apply slander and defamation of character of a group to the fray? ;-)  

BTW:  The "reason" for the exception is that, no one "made fun of" mz. Palin by means of exaggeration in that case. Tina did a PERFECT imitation of her in the interview.  Except for the one giving the interview to her, we would not be able to distinguish easily between the two.  It was funny, because she is funny (not just Tina Fey, but Palin). She did not make fun of her character, but the NT reasoning that the normal every day person would find funny:  she contradicted herself.  Palin made it funny.  She said she read ALL the periodicals, then could not name a singe one.....and she is obviously  not stupid, she got herself a high paying, depend on  the people,  job (politics).  (BTW: I DID see the original interview when it was aired, and was flabbergasted that anyone that had gotten themselves to that position could act so empty headed).

To be honest, I still haven't seen any of the episodes (parenthood), so I am going off of things I have heard (there are some Auties that like the show, but not many I gather), and I may change my opinion if I get to see an episode today....we shall see. 

I have just been through that thread.

I find the guy outright offensive - did you see his description of his own sense of humour?

I have known quite a few people on the aspie/autistic spectrum over the years, as pupils, colleagues and friends (online and IRL). If the description of the programme was accurate, then I judge that programme to be offensive to individuals on the aspie/autistic spectrum.

.  What was so offensive? The fact that he doesn't like those few (usually borderline from what I can see) Aspies that say they want to be treated like everyone else, but then want to be somehow special and off-limits to comedians? That he rejects the idea that any subject is inherently unfunny and taboo? That he is as coarse and abrasive as I am?

That he labels people with a stereotype, and then uses that label as an excuse to disregard and disparage them.

That's the same reason I find any jokes that only work because they use stereotypes offensive; black, Asian, fat, disabled, ginger, bearded, Jewish, Amish.

I even bring children up short who refer to their own momentary lapses as "having a blonde moment".

Be as edgy as you like, but using a label as an excuse to ignore the feelings of other people is not on.

His "You can't criticise my opinion because I have freedom of speech" attitude? I bloody can, because I have it too.

> That he labels people with a stereotype, and then uses that label as an excuse to disregard and disparage them.
. That whole thread is starting to become a blur to me. Please point me at the comment(s) where that happens. All I remember seeing is a comment or three about a certain sub-group of Aspies being overly sensitive to any criticism of their theories about Asperger's or humor aimed at Aspies.
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> His "You can't criticise my opinion because I have freedom of speech" attitude?I bloody can, because I have it too.
. And you're not even an American!
. Oops! I made fun of you place of birth. Shame on me. ;)

"Oh, I see, you're one of those sad Asspies that genuinely thinks every single development ever made by the human species is down to autistic people. Give me a break."

"It would seem that you, yourself, suffer from Asperger's Syndrome - I can't see any other reason for you to be ranting and raving about how it's the most important contributor human history. "

"Typical pro-Asperger's false rhetoric. "


Add to that his seriously off-the-rails attitude to people who do not fit his idea of "normal":

"I find [a guy unable to eat because he has no arms] hilarious."

"...when someone is a bit less human than everyone else..."
(my emphasis)

"And you know what? Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, it's up to the parents. If I don't want my son to have brown eyes, I SHOULD, in theory, be allowed to have him aborted."

I know I'm risking Godwin territory, but this guy really smacks of being a Supremacist, a firm believer in eugenics and the "final solution".

I know, it's just a few comments and they lack body language and tone of voice, but I've got alarm bells ringing all over when I read his posts.

> one of those sad Asspies
.  One of a few, not all Aspies. Do you deny that there is a small minority of Aspies who are like that? Not all Muslims are extremists, but a small minority are.
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.  Yep. That one was out of line.
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> Typical pro-Asperger's false rhetoric
.  See first point.
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> I find [a guy unable to eat because he has no arms] hilarious.
> ...when someone is a bit less human than everyone else...
.   I interpreted that, and the dead baby joke comment, as extreme exaggeration in an unsuccessful attempt to make a point.
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> this guy really smacks of being a Supremacist, a firm believer in eugenics and the "final solution".
.  And you know of no parents that have tried to affect the sex or other characteristics of their as-yet-conceived or freshly-conceived child?
.  We regularly physically alter our children for various reasons: circumcision, appendectomy, cleft-palate reconstruction, orthodontia, &c.
. In any case, why would you try to control what a woman does with her body? If she feels that it is akin to a tumor, then that is what it is. How you, I, or anyone else feels about the matter is immaterial. Shall we next tell her who she can or cannot procreate with.

. PS: I'm not trying to say that the guy hasn't trampled the Be Nice Policy in ways I've never dreamed of, but:
  • I don't think he's the ogre you and a few others are trying to make him out to be
  • The opposing team isn't going to win any trophies for sportsmanship, either

>I don't think he's the ogre you and a few others are trying to make him out to be

>shrug< may have to agree to disagree on that one.

>The opposing team isn't going to win any trophies for sportsmanship, either

But that doesn't have any bearing at all on what this user said.

It appears that he has accomplished what he set out to do, disrupt the peace here as it were. If he doesn't post again, except to disrupt, his intentions will be quite clear.

.  You sound like an old man, Old Man. :)
.  A little controversy every now and then is good. It helps keep the blood flowing. Nothing wrong with ppl disagreeing with each other. I think we all have a better understanding of where the others are "coming from" now. As far as I can tell, the only one who is disrupted is Crapflinger and he'll get over it.
.  I've seen a lot worse than this little discussion on C-SPAN and we can't hold a candle to Parliament. ;)

I saw this on one of those "outrageous videos" type tv shows. People sure do go hog wild over the "small stuff", forgetting that it is all "small stuff" :-)

Sure,  it wasn't much of a disruption, he picked the wrong group to try that with really. The last thing you do is call a bunch of ingenious, and resourceful MAKERS; stupid.

I just meant that, once a goal is reached, or lost, the person tends to go quiet.

BTW: what else SHOULD I sound like? An old woman? ;-)

. Welllllll ... we just never know for sure on the Intertubes, do we? You may be a 20 yo coed for all we know. heehee

Ask Caitlin's Dad.....he and I met, or ask Eric, or any of the others I met in NYC / Queens a few months ago >:-) I am definitely NOT 20 years old.....and as for being a co-ed in one package, that has yet to be determined LOL

>. One of a few, not all Aspies. Do you deny that there is a small minority of Aspies who are like that? Not all Muslims are extremists, but a small minority are.

Notice that he misspells "Aspie" in a commonly derogatory way. Also, his point certainly wasn't that "most Aspies aren't like that", as he goes on to talk about _typical Aspies_...

>. And you know of no parents that have tried to affect the sex or other characteristics of their as-yet-conceived or freshly-conceived child?

Trying to affect sex etc of an unborn baby !== "we should abort 'Asspies'", which is a blatantly antagonistic comment. It's like saying "we should abort girls".

> Notice that he misspells "Aspie" in a commonly derogatory way.
.  A Q&D search tells me that "Aspie" is a fairly common spelling in the Asperger community. According to Wikipedia, "People identifying with Asperger syndrome may refer to themselves in casual conversation as aspies,..."
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.  I'm not saying the guy is a saint or that I agree with everything he says, but there are some "typical" symptoms or they wouldn't be grouped under the same AS umbrella.
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> "we should abort 'Asspies'"
.  My browser doesn't seem to be able to find that quote in this topic or the "Parenthood TV show" one. :(

Try searching for this Nacho:

Nov 22, 2010. 4:06 PM        the black jesus says:
Oh, I see, you're one of those sad Asspies that genuinely thinks every single development ever made by the human species is down to autistic people. Give me a break.

Bold is mine.

. Yep. Unless that's a typo (I'm guessing it's not), it's over the line.
. But there is a very small (but very vocal) minority of Aspies that are as he described. We had one visit Ibles not too long ago. Don't remember the nick. I think he left (or maybe just toned down) when he figured out that most ppl here don't care if someone is an Aspie, a Presbyterian, Irish, or whatever - all they care about is "how good was your last iBle?"
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.  LOL Not much need for searching when you C&Pd the whole thing for me. :)

Nacho, I think you are referring to Peter (not sure if that was his moniker or not), and yes, he was adamant about some things, I haven't heard from him in eons, either by email, nor anywhere (facebook or anywhere at all: I know he was having severe health problems however). Sometimes pain, suffering, stress and distress cause us to do things we wouldn't normally too.

Some people react differently to different things: he, after about 50 years of abuse became a bit bitter,  me, I became more "concerned" and as we have seen, this gets me into almost as much trouble as the bitterness did for Peter.

It may be how I look at humor, it may be how I find some things (for instance, a crowd of people beating me to a pulp) not funny (I use that example, because I have seen that used in a comedy awhile back...can't remember which one though). 

Should we "make a law" stating not to show such things?   No, of course not,  but like one of my last replies to TBJ said, "all I ask is for them to take a little responsibility" i.e. to think before mocking what is not understood.
I am more of a Gary Larson, kind of humorist myself.  There he makes fun of things nearly everyone says or does.  :-)

Psst, LR, just one thing, many aspies (yeah some of us do use the term) use this as a fast term when writing, but quite a few, you are correct about, are offended by it as well.

Thanks for the information/ :) I was referring to the extra "S" in there - surely that's not terribly appreciated?

Ah, very observant ! I miss things like that when reading (and pick up details on anything not involving language :-)

Thanks for articulating what I'm honestly too dern tired to. :-D

"Freedom of speech" certainly isn't uniquely American. ;)

I have to back up a "little" because I DO laugh at most "horror movies" but only because they are so graphically goofy.....I am not laughing at the "deaths and gore portreyed, but the ridiculousness of the whole storyline".

I did not call him A troll, he imagined that. I said he was acting like one (or starting to act like one).

I have been as cordial as possible under the strain of his onslaughts, if he can not communicate in a more civil manor, he will end up "rhyming with orange" in my book.