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Some random guns I never displayed on ibles Answered

Alright, so I never really worried about it before, but I figured I'd show them now. These are a bunch of old weapons that I had at KI or KA but never bothered showing here. There's nothing huge that you've missed out on, but you might see something you never knew was done before.

1. This was in a video so you guys probably saw it, but I don't think I ever put pictures here. This is one of the first (don't know how many, if any, others there were) horizontal magazine guns. It loaded dark greys with green rods. I have tried making a more compact version for a while but I could never get one to load as reliably.

2. I guess this was the precursor to the BAW. I honestly forgot about it until now. Basically, before I figured out SK's removable magazine concept but after I learned how to make a decent magazine for yellows, I tried making a shelled-round gun with removable magazines. It had a really crude way of attaching but it worked. It fired very well, actually. But the shells didn't want to eject so you had to manually eject them. It was too crude of a weapon so I never kept working with it. I have tried making other shelled-round weapons but none have quite pleased me.

3. This is probably one of the more interesting ones. With my trigger concept that I loved so much, I tried making a bullpup bolt action. It worked I guess, but it had bad range because the trigger required I made a barrel up to it. I could've vastly improved this by using the PDR trigger, but I figured out, well one I didn't have the pieces and two the stock would be uncomfortably long if I did.

4. I don't know if I showed this here. I had  thread on KI for it, though. It was my attempt at a Thompson M1A1. Bleh, it was very crude but I figured I'd show it anyways.

5. Here comes an assortment of assault pistols I worked on while at KA. I have notes written on them so apparently I brought them over here, but I don't remember where I may have displayed them, so I'll post them anyways. The first is a "revolver" using the redone concept by oompa on his revolver.

6. This one was a redo of the first one I mad a long time ago. Back before oodammo but after the TDS and all other side arms were being overdone, assault pistols were pretty much the new fad, and it became my obsession for a while to make the perfect one after seeing bitz's. This one fired blue rods. It's funny looking at it now, I could easily make one better in so many ways if I didn't care about using plain magazines.

7. This was my last one (not counting the revolver, which was done for kicks 'n' giggles) before oodammo. I tossed the blue rod magazine in favor of a removable, internal pusher darkgrey+green rod magazine. Lol, looking at this thing now...I was happy with the magazine at the time back when detachables weren't entirely common.

So yeah, that's all I can find for now. You guys are welcome to dig around and see if you can't find something you've never shown before.

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Is that a bullpup ZKAR? I know I keep on reviving this forum topic, but I find something interesting EVERY time I look at it.

*sigh* I dislike when others call any other Bolt action a ZKAR because:
1. Not only did I have the idea first, but Zak took the idea from SK when I collab'd with him.
2. People aren't fond when I call the majority of their sidearms a TDS derivative.
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But yes, it was a bullpup bolt action weapon. It was inefficient in design. I know changes I'd make to it now, but I still wouldn't use a yellow rod magazine without some sort of radical new mechanism because the stock is horribly long otherwise.

Whoops, I did not mean to offend you... Sorry, my bad. At first glaze it looked a lot like a ZKAR, only with the mag behind the handle, but I see now that that is not true.

Who is SK? I had no idea that you were the first to come up with the separate chamber mech (as it is not a bolt action, no gun is ya-know). That is awesome. Have you ever thought about rebuilding it?

As TheRacker said, Solekiller. I respected him a lot because he was an innovator without the ego a lot of others had. -Technically- the idea of separate chambering existed before. I don't know who thought of it, but it was a very undeveloped concept. I was the first I know of (others could have independently thought up the concept at the same time or before without my knowing) to reimagine the concept in two different ways. First, I wanted it to use a bottom loading magazine. Second, I wanted it to maximize the pin use and ignore the friction of the magazine to optimize power. I had the idea down, just didn't know how to build it. I asked SK to help and he threw together a prototype. However, he also talked to Zak that we were doing the idea, and he liked it and went about it on his own making the first ZKAR. At least, that's how I understand it.

I've thought many times on how to make the bullpup version better, but each time I came to the conclusion that the stock would just be too long. I finally came up with one final solution which was to combine the concept with my auto-chambering concept so that the pin would hit the back of the magazine and essentially directly load the round. I'm not sure how well this would work.

S0lekill3r, he used to be around a lot before 2009, then sold all his knex and kinda disappeared. Look up his YouTube channel, he made some cool stuff.

I just wanted to drop you a note and ask how well that horizontal magazine gun worked? I have been contemplating a gun like that, and I was wondering what your experience was with it?

The one I have in the pictures worked just fine. Here's a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qbTOpTzXBs
As far as horizontal magazines in general, after this gun, I had troubles making one that's more compact. The trick is making a ramp that works well and doesn't jam the ammo. But it's perfectly doable and I just wasn't intuitive enough back then. You should have no problems figuring one out.

Good. I was looking forward to making a concept gun like that, but under the barrel, and in the front, not the back. I don't know if it is feasible, but I would love to try.

Ah yes, essentially mimicking a tubular magazine of shotguns and old lever action rifles? If you want a direct feed ramp, it should be perfectly doable. Other people have done lever actions that used an elevating ramp. I also had a simple concept of a pump action elevator. I'll see if I can find the pictures for it. Though you could really do it any way you want. Go for it and good luck.

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Yes, I did want to "mimic" that shotgun type tubular magazine, but I wanted to see, as opposed to the pics you have above this message, if I could make a "auto loading" TM (tubular magazine). Or at least if I could make one that does not require a mech that you pull down and let to go to let the round go into the chamber.

Oh yeah, that should be simple enough. Maybe more reliable because the feeding is going with the pin pull, drawing out the ammo to fit into the chamber. But I don't know.

Yeah, I noticed that throughout the entire history of my building, I never really made a great gun (except for the Oodassaults, I think those were high tier) but I introduced a lot of concepts and experimented a little. Basically, I wanted to make things that maybe weren't practical at the time, but had potential (like shell weapons). I'm still disappointed I never really made a bolt action gun that really satisfied me. Perhaps I'll get back into building when I find the time and an adequate idea. The community is so slow.

Hmm, well, I have never been much of a concept builder myself, but I do enjoy seeing the ones you have above (and other peoples failed/unposted stuff). Well, I don't know, you may not consider your creations worthwhile, but other people don't view them that way. Take your PDR. I really consider that THE best PDR on this sight. I really do admirer it, and I really don't know why. Shell weapons? I have never liked them, as they really are unnecessary and unneeded. As to bolt action guns, I have NEVER built one, but, as I was just telling didexo, I need to. Got any suggestions? Dude, you do need to get back into building, as the comunity is pretty slow. I am a fast poster, and I have made a large mark on the K'NEX part of 'ibles, but I don't see too much good stuff now-a-days.

They're worthwhile, sure, they're just not the highest quality compared to ones built purely for performance.
My PDR was simply the first. And looking at it now, there are a lot of things I don't like about it, like how it's too small. I was gonna build a new version, though never finished it. I do think some of the mods of mine are pretty good but still not quite there.
Shells are just an alternative to turrets or bolt actions in that they remove all friction of bullets on each other.
As in whose to make or on how to make your own?
I'll see, but college really has me busy. And then my weekends are usually entirely locked up. I don't know what I'd make, and it'd take a while to get back into the swing of things.

Hmm, well, I'm sure you know your guns better than I do. I submit to your opinion. :-)
Well, like I said, your PDR (IMO) is THE best looking on this sight, as other versions (including mine) are not that great. I really enjoy just looking at your PDR...
Well, shelled rounds may remove the friction on rod ammo, they are not necessary on connecter ammo (which, IMO, is the best type of ammo there is).
Well, advice on who has the best bolt action to build and how to make my own would be great. I am sure, as one of the leading concept members on 'ibles, you could help me out.
All I can say is that I hope to see you building soon. BTW, hows college going?

Eh, I like connectors too, but they tend to not get as much range. If I get back into building, I'd probably finally remake the BAW like I intended just to get back into the swing of things.
As for bolt actions, I'm not sure what's all new. The ZKAR took over the lead as a bolt action. I'd see if you can build your own, perhaps make a replica of a real gun while doing it.
It goes. This semester is a little more painful than other ones, but not too bad. Took a while, and I'm not sure where it officially started, but I escaped the friendzone, which is my crowning achievement in life so far.

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TheDunkisTheAwesomestDude

Reply 7 years ago

For a lack of a better name at the time, K'nexables. It was a website that I founded with a friend in an attempt to move all K'nexers off ibles without forcing them to KI. To put it simply, K'nexers weren't very respected here on ibles (though we're no longer harassed) and I didn't like using the website for such a small group of people so I wanted to gather us all into a website where we'd have more freedom. Meanwhile, KI wasn't very tolerant to newb builders, to put lightly, nor did many of us really care for the attitudes of the regulars there.

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The JamalamTheAwesomestDude

Reply 7 years ago

It's dead now, because it didn't take off as Dunkis hoped. Honestly it would have caused more problems in my opinion, had they split off completely. KI members still use ibles, and it would have completely split us in two groups.

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TheDunkis

7 years ago

I forgot to show one that I never even uploaded. It was a bullet chambering pistol (i.e. bolt action, but without a bolt, so I call the concept in general as bullet chambering) based on my second oodassult. It actually worked, but was entirely too crude to post or work on further so I never bothered even showing it.

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An Villain

7 years ago

I found your Official AP over on KI and decided to build one for myself out of a modified Desperado.

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TheDunkisAn Villain

Reply 7 years ago

Not bad, much better than my original. Though I think it could be made without black hands. Then it'd make for a decent casual war weapon that could be mass built for friends. Use the barrel that's on my flat gun.

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An VillainTheDunkis

Reply 7 years ago

I built it with Y clips because I have way more then I need and they would just be sitting around if I did not use them.

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~KGB~

7 years ago

Have you got any pictures of the bolt??? im nearly done

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TheDunkis~KGB~

Reply 7 years ago

Bleh, I tried explaining but realized that was fairly difficult so I'll remake and take pictures later. Unless you'll understand this, the red connector in the same layer of the left side of the gun is rotated 90 degrees so that the red rod furthest from the fun is through the hole and then the middle slot is hugging the other rod. This was so it could fit against the back of the gun. The next layer in is a green connector on the same way except flipped around so the rod closer to the gun goes through the whole. The next layer is completely empty, note that, so that the pin can fit through. Then repeat the green and the red and then finally connect the end with a red connector. The green connectors then have black hands on the bottom slots with a white rod connecting them and then a light grey connector to hold the bolt ram.

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~KGB~TheDunkis

Reply 7 years ago

lol, ill make it by you showing me lol, ive the front done now, ill be done 2moro, its also got a safety

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TheDunkis~KGB~

Reply 7 years ago

Sorry, uploading the bolt picture later today when I upload a video. If you haven't, I recommend making a sliding trigger like the PDR so that it's next to the magazine. Then get rid of the majority of the barrel after it except for whatever is required to keep the bullet in it stable. Now that I look at it, I don't think I had a bullet lock. See if you can't fix that. With the new barrel, it should get decent range.

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~KGB~TheDunkis

Reply 7 years ago

lol, ill leave it, i re-did the chamber instead

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tytiger33~KGB~

Reply 7 years ago

When you're done make a fourm post and give us some better layer views.

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~KGB~tytiger33

Reply 7 years ago

ok i will, i just need to make the bolt now

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tytiger33~KGB~

Reply 7 years ago

And please show some pics of the safety, the stock and the bolt. That is what I'm stuck on.

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~KGB~tytiger33

Reply 7 years ago

ok lol, the safety is only 2 pieces tho.....

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tytiger33~KGB~

Reply 7 years ago

They are still important!

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~KGB~tytiger33

Reply 7 years ago

lol, the external too... orange connector and white rod =D

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tytiger33~KGB~

Reply 7 years ago

When are you going to post the pictures and forum topic?

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~KGB~tytiger33

Reply 7 years ago

I just need TD to post me the picture of the bolt..... hopefully he will have it tomorro

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ajleece

7 years ago

Ah... Those were the days....

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TheDunkisajleece

Reply 7 years ago

Yes, quite, indeed. Though the one thing I despise from those days was the TR and oodammo. Well, I like oodammo as it helped me make a successful series of Oodassault pistols, but it turned a lot of people tryhard on war weapons. Innovation seemed to be put on hold, simply fun weapons were overlooked, and all anyone ever wanted to do was customize a TR. It got boring pretty quickly. K'nex is still depressingly slow. It's harder for newbs to get into it because there's less for them to make new. It takes a truly innovative mind to come up with anything new around here, and the type of people to have those minds keep leaving.

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ajleeceTheDunkis

Reply 7 years ago

You pretty much summed it all up. There's not much left to do.. It'd be good if we could see some innovation soon.

(Coincidental, I don't own any K'nex anymore.)

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TheDunkisajleece

Reply 7 years ago

It's not that there's not a lot left to do, it's just that everything that there is to is complicated or just beyond the scope of creativity for most people. And it needs someone else to give it a big push before anyone else takes the idea seriously. I found it kind of funny that loosewire finally posted his semi auto that he started years ago and then everyone else at KI jumped at it "DOH, war-worthy semi auto?! Let's make our own!" but they didn't really touch on hammer weapons at all until then. Actually, they touched on but didn't really take turrets seriously until KK started the TR series. The older KIers have plenty of potential left but too much laziness. =/

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ajleeceTheDunkis

Reply 7 years ago

Agree with you 100 percent. xD

Turrets were 'useless' or 'crap' until KK made 'em good.

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TheDunkis

7 years ago

So being my typical self, I started building something only to end up with something else. At first I was going to rebuild my BAW magazine but use yellow rods and try to make a bolt action just for the fun of it. I couldn't figure out a way I'd like to attach the magazine so I was then going to just improve the BAW. Then I ended up deciding to change the magazine to use dark greys with white rods. Then I was thinking about leaving off the stock and making an assault pistol type weapon. Then I realized that if I'm going to do that, I might as well make it fire oodammo.

So I went in with the idea for a bolt action and came out with a removable mag oodammo pistol. Begosh, it actually worked too, so I'll be able to get a video later today. It's not anything huge, I don't intend for it to replace anything, but it's another just-for-fun weapon.