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Trade Me has closed down the account of a Wellington student selling bomb-making chemicals Answered

www.stuff.co.nz/national/3238856/Teen-trader-faces-Trade-Me-probe

Trade Me has closed down the account of a Wellington student selling bomb-making chemicals through the website, and is also investigating the teenager over identity theft.

Trade Me is same as Ebay. 

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Match Book

8 years ago

Why did they call him a teenager? To get more attention? He's 19 years old, he's considered an adult.

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Match BookDoctor What

Reply 8 years ago

EIGHTTEEN

You are considered an adult when you're 18.

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Doctor WhatMatch Book

Reply 8 years ago

 Yes, but you are still in your teens while the "teen" is still attached to your name, whether or not you are an adult or not.

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Doctor WhatLateral Thinker

Reply 8 years ago

 *sigh*  I wasn't thinking.

EDIT:

...while the "teen" is still attached to your age,...

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GoodhartDoctor What

Reply 8 years ago

  Exactly,  nineTEEN is still a teen, even if an adult teen. Wow people can get bent out of shape by the smallest things, eh? 
 
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GoodhartMatch Book

Reply 8 years ago

Sorry, my bad....I didn't see that others had posted this very thing.....or I wouldn't have added this to it....my appologies.

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Lateral ThinkerGoodhart

Reply 8 years ago

 Who cares?

Just act your age Goodhart so you wont get called a Teen again

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GoodhartLateral Thinker

Reply 8 years ago

Who cares?  He may care...let him speak for himself...

fiftyone-teen?   I dobt that the mistake could be made easily

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Lateral ThinkerGoodhart

Reply 8 years ago

When they see your cheese block racing.

their mistake will be thinking that  are a teen,

Only 3-year olds play with their food.

Thus lets call you a male Aspie as Aspies never grown up.

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GoodhartLateral Thinker

Reply 8 years ago

Yes, but few 3 year olds, or even teens would recognize the pun I used....it relates back to an article I read in the late 1060's  ;-) 
 
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Lateral ThinkerMatch Book

Reply 8 years ago

 its just a label

And "teenager" is NOT a legally usable word in a court of law when telling the judge and jury how old the offender is, nor is Teen, generally you will mostly find those labels used by the news media

This is the offending headline I believe.

Teen trader faces Trade Me probe

Its 32 letters and spaces.

Pretend you are the editor and in 35 (give you 3 extra) letters and spaces, you do a more eye catching headline, not using "Teen" but with the same message.

Dr What, you give it a go too, see how can get a job first as a editor for a newspaper. When I wrote letters to editors, I was always surprised at the titles the editor decided for my letters, its an art to make a eye catching headline or title.

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GoodhartMatch Book

Reply 8 years ago

Um  TEEN ager  refers to someone in their teens, adult or not....and nineTEEN appears to be in the teens still
 
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Lateral ThinkerMatch Book

Reply 8 years ago

 Its a item written by the news media whose main interest is making money.

Certain words make money.

headlines used to say "Psychiatric patient harms"

Psychiatric in a headline is worth big bucks for the media, as only bad news goes into the media, the public decided 100% of Psychiatric patients were dangerous.

99.999999% of such patients don't end up in the news as they don't do bad things

the media has been stopped using Psychiatric

Yesterday the media had "patient kills" its almost as bad, and it could be the victim provoked the offender too much

anyway, some labels for 19 year olds make more profits than other labels.

The other point is, everybody here is correct, a teenager is from puberty until the 20th birthday BUT it came into usage generations ago, and today with people leaving home younger, no longer means what it implies.

In NZ at 18 you call legally leave home without your parents permission and register as unemployed with Work and Income NZ and get a benefit payment to live on until you find work. (some people try to stay unemployed for live due to the benefit payment.)

So at 18 plus, you have all the rights of a adult. (at 15 you can get a starter driver's license)

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lemonie

8 years ago

The student told the Times yesterday he used his friend's name and details to open the account because he had previously been banned from Trade Me

Are you offering an opinion on this?

L

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Lateral Thinkerlemonie

Reply 8 years ago

no, its just that a source of bomb materials has upset people but is legal.

Latest, Trade Me has ruled that auctions for these materials can no longer say "bomb making" "rocket motor"

And its got such words in a script that runs over new listings and sounds a siren in their office when it comes across them.

it could make such material harder to get in small quantities without collecting from the retailer in person, showing legal ID, to go into the official book for law enforcement to check when needed. Our pharmacies have whats called the Poisons Book which must be signed by anybody geting such, even if on a doctors script

It is possible now, a law will be changed, or Trade Me will change its terms of use.

But Ebay is lots bigger, thry must have across that heaps of times.

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lemonieLateral Thinker

Reply 8 years ago

Yes you advertise potassium nitrate for home-curing (food).

L

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Lateral Thinkerlemonie

Reply 8 years ago

we used it at the cannery (potassium nitrate) for corned beef.

Our recipe was special for the Pacific Islands, heaps of fat, a recipe for NZ had lots less fat. The islanders genes are for fish based diet, us white people introduced them to meat fat, today they are the most obese nation in the Pacific

but we also added potassium (if that is the correct name) which makes meat soak up water and gain weight, illegal to add, we added as much as we could without the Mafia (Ministry of Ag and Fisheries) finding out.

I was required to taste each batch of corned beef coming from the cooking room into the [can] filling room, if it was salty, I knew all the additives had been added. Only once did I detect no salt, so I called out to my charge hand who was one of two check weighing cans, and threw her a lump (crushed in my hand, from small bits) she agreed, and we shut down the line. It was one way, so everything had to be man handed back to the cooks.

I once had a liter of nitric acid, and a half kilo of cyanide case hardening power in my work shop.

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lemonieLateral Thinker

Reply 8 years ago

That is another useful insight, thanks for it.

The nitric acid & cyanide sound potentially lethal, how do you use them?

L

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Goodhartlemonie

Reply 8 years ago

  For YEARS when I was younger, one could find Potassium Nitrate on some of the smaller local grocer's shelves, in the Pickling and canning sections.  And this, well into my teens and 20's.....it is harder to find now....and even back then, one could only buy like half a pound of it at a time ( about .3 kilos)
 
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GoodhartGoodhart

Reply 8 years ago

To clarify,  one could buy as much as they wanted, but they only came in 8 oz boxes.....
 
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GoodhartLateral Thinker

Reply 8 years ago

Slow selling?  In the "country" area I live in, it was a fairly fast seller....and then when people like me started to use it to experiment  with, it got yanked (not that I ever made "black powder" with it or anything....just a few slow burning pyrotechnics).
 
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Lateral ThinkerGoodhart

Reply 8 years ago

 You are biased when you define what is slow burning pyrotechnics, a independent person with no conflict of interest might call your slow burning pyrotechnics high explosives meant to trigger a A-bomb

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GoodhartLateral Thinker

Reply 8 years ago

slow burning is this......even under the most stringent conditions, it was impossible to get it to burn fast enough to generate pressure for ANY kind of an explosion. 

A few onces of it, would burn for about 40-60 seconds, with a HOT flame able to melt the macadam of the road, etc.  I had a flame that reached 4 feet high, so this stuff was GREAT for making "school project volcanoes" etc.  but that was about it (I DID use it for this once, and the teacher was impressed that it actually had what appeared to be "REAL LAVA"  spewing down the side of the model.

Because I didn't have access to Sulfer, and because, at the time (pre-internet) I didn't have easy access to the formula for black powder, I didn't even attempt it.  But really, it is a fairly difficult concoction to get right anyways. . .from the Mythbusters episode on Star Trek and the Gorn:   The hard aspect is getting the ratio of the mix correct to create actual black powder instead of a fizzling, smoking, stinking, useless mess. Kirk stood a greater chance of making a smoke bomb than gunpowder.

And without my having sulfur, I had even less of a chance of getting it "right" :-) 
 
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Lateral Thinkerlemonie

Reply 8 years ago

etching copper to make a poor solar cell, no solar cells on the market then.

And I needed small cutting tools for models, a screw cutting tap machined from mild steel on my machine lathe. OD was about 3/16" and 40 TPI

then case hardened.

I needed 2 threaded holes in a bronze steam engine cylinder for drain cocks. The thread standard was called "Model Engineer" and used in the UK.

I could have used what we call "Sliver Steel" (no sliver) which I think USA calls "Tool Steel" and is oil hardenable then needs tempering.

But I went for case hardening, I only needed a few uses, and did not want the risk of oil hardening tool steel distorting when dipped red hot in oil, or risking fine cracks, which if the tap broke while cutting the thread in the steam cylinder, might prove impossible to remove, writing off the cylinder, and it had taken a year to get the castings from the UK, after getting a import license.

Peter