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Vista to XP upgrade help Answered

I Started this group a while ago and never posted a topic... so I figured I'd do it now with the mass intrest in upgrading to XP. Post any questions you have about switching from Vista to XP here and I will do my best to help you out... and I'm sure several other computer savvy Instructites will as well.

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The nerdling

7 years ago

everyone see my question about vista and xp

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LinuxH4x0r

10 years ago

Vista Sucks! Get linux instead.

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crestindLinuxH4x0r

Reply 10 years ago

Vista is amazing, aside from the massive memory usage.

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chaoscampbellcrestind

Reply 10 years ago

Vista does nothing special except suck the life out of your computer.

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crestindchaoscampbell

Reply 10 years ago

Have you actually used Vista? My new Vista PC boots in around 30 seconds and shuts down in 20 seconds. Not really life sucking. It uses about 600 of PF. This whole Vista thing is turning out of be everybody jumping onto the "Vista sucks" bandwagon to sound knowledgeable or something, with half of them not knowing anything about Vista (not saying you don't). I know this because people who know nothing about PCs are saying "Vista sucks" and junk like that. Vista is decently fast (I've got 2GB RAM, 1.8GHZ Dual Core), looks good, refined, has an awesome new explorer, and more fun and user friendly overall. Application hangs are also very rare, unlike in XP.

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Weissensteinburgcrestind

Reply 10 years ago

I have vista. I hate it. We had to buy so much new stuff, just because our old peripherals weren't compatible. A lot of software isn't either. Vista is too user friendly, in my opinion. To the point that it gets annoying. Navigating is much more difficult. The quick time media platform it came with like to start randomly and on it's own. It's a horrible full screen bit of software that is the only way to utilize it's built in camera.

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CharredPCcrestind

Reply 10 years ago

You must be running some really lousy software if you get constant application hangs. That, or your XP copy was in bad need of a reinstall. I've seen this pattern a million times-

Users develop problems with their old 2-4 year old Windows installation. It gets slow, buggy, or unstable. They then buy the latest PC and proclaim the hardware and software so superior to their last one, because everything is 'fixed.' Any speed comparison they make is tainted, based on a false idea that their malfunctioning last machine was 'slow.' No consumer understands that thanks to their untrained use and abuse, every version of Windows degrades over time, requiring maintenance / cleanup / reinstallation. You think Vista will never get clogged, buggy, and slow down? Maybe you'll then switch to Windows 7, and start downtalking Vista...

I'll use an automotive analogy to exemplify things. Your PC is a car, and the OS is the fluids. After ignoring the oil, transmission, and coolant levels for two years, your car runs like crap. Myself, I'd get maintenance done regularly (or everything flushed if it's been that long), and my car would run like new. Heck, with a tune-up, it could run better than new. PC consumers do the equivalent of junking the car after 60,000 miles and buying a new one each time, saying, Wow, this runs so much better than my last car! You must all be idiots for liking or still driving that kind! Who's the ignorant one here?

As far as eye candy and your system specs- I think every Vista enthusiast needs to stare at the attached picture for at least five minutes before saying anything. And now, understand something. That isn't Vista- it's Windows XP on my three-year-old+ work box. How groundbreaking is this new look if my obsolete old machine can have all these 'worth the bloat' features, still running fast & smooth?

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crestindCharredPC

Reply 10 years ago

I maintain my PCs very well, and it's nothing near "untrained use and abuse". I even have an XP Optimization Instructable, if you take a look. Everybody seems to assume that because my XP lags, it was a failure on my part to maintain it... And no, I didn't buy a new PC because my XP box "had problems". I'm not that ignorant. It was a great deal, if you see below. Lousy software - Adobe Photoshop CS2 and Firefox? Hardly lousy. Not frequently, but maybe once a week, these programs (mostly Firefox), will have a momentary "Not Responding" hiccup if I open too many tabs. This happens most frequently when I'm on Engadget, which is kind of strange. Yes, I did see your Instructable, Charred. Transformation packs are nice, but it doesn't provide the overall level of refinement Vista does. I'm sensing some hate towards the Vista user :'( General accusations of me failing to maintain the PC.

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CharredPCcrestind

Reply 10 years ago

Sorry; we assume it's failure on your part because it contradicts our experience. When XP runs smoothly and without issue on an old Pentium III 1GHz machine, I wonder what it is you were using or doing that gave you such problems.

Photoshop (if you're using it to its fullest extent) can cause any machine to pause. When busy swapping huge segments of memory about, it can even momentarily lock up and show 'not responding,' as you describe. How often this happens, and to what degree is dependent on your hardware. You improved the situation by improving your machine- that's no Vista miracle. Unless you try XP on that same PC and get worse results, you're comparing apples and oranges.

Firefox has severe (and well-documented) memory issues when opening several tabs. Don't blame your OS for something your application does. This publicized issue is one of the major concerns they are addressing with the currently in beta Firefox 3. Don't get me wrong, Firefox is a browser godsend. But don't think it's perfect just because it's the best option.

I guess we have different concepts of the word 'refinement' ;) Sure, it would be nice if these features were embedded instead of third party add-ons. But not at the cost it takes in resources.

I have no hate toward the Vista user. If it works for you, that's great. For a lot of consumers, the mantra "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies very well, and I support that. Those who think it's 'too much trouble' to switch to XP definitely shouldn't be doing so. For the educated or semi-geeky user that wants the most out of their money or hardware... I'm happy to share information.

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crestindCharredPC

Reply 10 years ago

Thanks for the info. That explains the Firefox problems. Strike through that "educated or semi-geeky".

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Goodhartcrestind

Reply 10 years ago

It is being (finally) very hesitantly accepted by the business community now too, as so many saw "promises made meant promises broken" on the part of MS in the past with this new and Improved OS. Reports are out that they are starting to get "on the ball", but it has been a long hard ride. BTW: I still use XP, when I am not using Ubuntu.

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Patrikcrestind

Reply 10 years ago

Congratulations on being one of the very few people who does not seem to have major problems running Vista. Just don't assume you are the typical case! In fact, of the half a dozen people I've talked to in person about their new Vista box, the comments have been uniformely, overwhelmingly negative.

To me (2-month reluctant Vista user)... Vista is agonizingly slow (far slower than my 5 yo defunct home machine, and my 3 yo work machine, both of which have far inferior specs), looks somewhat messy, is far less user friendly, and continuously hangs applications - unlike XP.

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chaoscampbellcrestind

Reply 10 years ago

dude, the only reason they put Vista out...is so you would have a need for that dual core and the 2GB of RAM.... and so Microsoft could make a few billion extra bucks. think about it...... even high end gamers barely need that kind of power. I have 2 gigs..... 1.6 GHz single core..... your dual processor comp is0.8 GHz more then mine. the regular comp user has absoluty no need for these monster machines........ so Microsoft...... partnering with Dell and many others MADE a need to upgrade. you just wasted a couple thousand bucks on a new comp that runs slower then my 1.5 GHz with 384 Megs of ram P.O.S. PC and waaaay slower then my laptop. Congratulations

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crestindchaoscampbell

Reply 10 years ago

Actually that is true, but I'm saying that people should look at its advantages instead of just its flaws. Plus, I'm a relatively smart consumer, I didn't waste a bundleload of cash on this Pavilion. I got the HP shown below (1.8, not 1.9) for $400. So I didn't waste a "couple thousand bucks".

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crestindcrestind

Reply 10 years ago

Also, it's just that Vista is not so bad that there is a need to go through the trouble of downgrading to XP.

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chaoscampbellcrestind

Reply 10 years ago

I beg to differ...... your wasting the ability of your machine.....for nothing.

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chaoscampbellcrestind

Reply 10 years ago

ya, I even own a copy that came with my single core laptop. why they would even offer it with my machine I have no idea. I've also had the unfortunate pleasure in using it with proper machines. it blows goats I'm not some noob, I know computers. I've been using them since 2nd grade.... I built my first machine when I was 9 years old. and I'm 25 now

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chaoscampbellLinuxH4x0r

Reply 10 years ago

Linux is OK at best dude....... incompatible and Time consuming even for the professional. It still has a ways to go.

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LinuxH4x0rchaoscampbell

Reply 10 years ago

But what version do you have experience with? Newer ones from fedora are extremely easy and not time consuming at all

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chaoscampbellLinuxH4x0r

Reply 10 years ago

I've used Mepis, Ubuntu, and puppy....... I don't have 6 months to try every distro to see which one sucks and which doesn't

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zachninmechaoscampbell

Reply 10 years ago

Hehe :P
I've actually found that, for me at least, using Ubuntu, and lessso, Fedora (slow GUI package manager, slow CLI package manger, and a lackthereof of packages...) actually saves time.

Once you get used to it, apt-get will set you free. I'm serious. I believe "incompatible" stems from an ignorance of apt-get.

Lets say, you go out, find some software (lets take Eagle CAD), look at their linux option, see they only have .tar.gz & .rpm, no .deb, cry, download the .tar.gz, and manually install.
Or... you could have just "apt-get install eagle" and have the software installed in under 2 minutes.
  • The previous incedent not-too-long ago... if only I searched first :P

And what version of Ubuntu did you look at, they've made some great headway.
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zachninmeLinuxH4x0r

Reply 10 years ago

I'm saying yum, at least my experience, was unplesent. (not hell, though)
I don't understand why it took 50 seconds only to tell me that the package isn't available. (Yes... I timed it...)
Apt-get takes less than 1.(really!) (To be fair, aptitude took 2)

Also, there's a distinct lack of packages in the repos, but that's not yum's fault. (it is fedora's, though)

I used Fedora 8 since it came out. (I got it the day after, actually), and I just switched back to 'buntu yesterday. Fedora didn't autoconfigure grub, so I could never use Ubuntu, and I couldn't get the liveCD of Ubuntu working... I finnally installed it, autoconfiged GRUB, and I'm happy now :-)

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LinuxH4x0rzachninme

Reply 10 years ago

Well, I suppose apt is better, its just that I haven't used it much. You need to add livna as a repository if you want more packages. Its not great, but I'm not complaining

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littlechef37

10 years ago

Whenever a new operating system comes out everyone complains. Well not everyone but lots of people I think it just takes some getting used to but personally I like stuff thats not as simple remember windows 98 ? Imagine it with a quad core prosesser. And a couple gigabytes of ram. These newer operating systems are bigger but there more powerful. I remember having windows 95 and Mame 32 ( Its an arcade game emulator) an a three gig hard drive with 30 meggs of ram. And now I have Xp 4 gigs of ram and a 120 gig hard drive. ( i just haven't had the time to upgrade)..............And then I have a laptop vista........ and an imac But its technology its always gonna change. My grandpa is always talking about how cool they thought there biplanes were and ohh they had telephones........................................... And we think we have everything now.

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CharredPClittlechef37

Reply 10 years ago

Cost/benefit, people. Think. I'm tired of this same argument being incessantly repeated when it's simply not true. This isn't the same as before. Can you make the same 'technology is changing, get used to it' argument with WindowsME? No. A failure is a failure, and it has nothing to do with biplanes and your grandpa. Go review the discussion in my Acer Instructable. We've been happy with XP for years, something that can't be said about about 95, 98, etc. It's fast, stable, and does everything we want on a PC. There was a need to change before, and the changes were pretty major. Vista... not so.

The Windows world has hit a plateau; the incremental 'upgrades' and bloated eye candy of Vista isn't the necessary step up previous iterations were. We've realized this, even able to replicate all the visual updates and new features on XP. Microsoft has realized this, hurrying production of Windows 7 to release next year, restructuring the Windows core and de-bloating it. Sorry, it's just you that doesn't realize it.

If you love Vista and are happy with it, good for you. I mean it! Use it. Enjoy it. But don't come to a 'How To Switch From Vista To XP' forum to spout tired, disproved lines about how great Vista is and how we're all clueless sticking to our old OS. There's a reason people seek this information, even if you're ignorant of it.