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oxymorons + creation/evolution debate Answered

I was trying to think up oxy morons, and wondered if any one had any good ones. Just post as many as you can think of. here's mine: jumbo shrimp.

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Intelligent design

ReCreate is one of those people who have fallen victim to the Creation science scam.

If you want.

I'll let you go first - provide non-biblical evidence for the creation myth that does not contain the phrases "it is obvious" or "if you have faith".

Well...I heard in many places, News, Even a dedicated TV show that they found a massive, wooden boat some place in the mountains, Or at least parts of it, And ancient wood in nearby places, that the boat was hollow with many chambers and rooms. What excuse are you going to make up for that?

It was an interview with about 3 diffirent people who visited it at 3 diffirent times. They did a lie detector test on them, and the results where that they did see a boat and it was massive, Huge that they think it was noah's ark.

I remember that - it was debunked in the Fortean Times over a decade ago.

It wasn't in the right mountain range, it wasn't at the top, it wasn't anywhere near the size given in the bible.

Proper examination by trained archaeologists showed it to be a natural formation, not a human construction at all.

(Passing a lie detector test does not mean you are telling the truth, just that you believe you are telling the truth, or that you are calmer than most people.)

so your saying that an 80+ year old man was lying and that he fooled the lie detector test? He was not asked"Was that noah's ark?" He was asked things like "Did you see a massive object blah blah and such..."

No, I am saying that he belioeved he was telling the truth. Age has nothing to do with it. So, he saw a massive object. Just because an object is large, wooden and up a hill does not mean it is Noah's ark. It means it is large, wooden and up a hill. What other evidence was there to say that the object that they found was "the" Ark, given that it was not in the location described by the Bible, nor was it of the dimensions given in the Bible?

So, he saw a massive object. Just because an object is large, wooden and up a hill ....

Not to mention it Had Rooms, Chambers and walls and such.
That it was like broken in half, one half was somewhere, and the other half fell down the mountain in an avalanche or another natural disaster.
Thats why they found shards of ancient wood along the trail where it would have fallen.
given that it was not in the location described by the Bible
Don't you think that over 2000+ years an object would move from its original location?
nor was it of the dimensions given in the Bible?
If i have not mistaken...I think it was the Dimensions given in the Bible.

reCreate no use He's going to hold to his ideas as I would Mine. We shall see Who is right. On the other side.

I just want to see what he will think up to make an excuse about it, yet again. What do you mean on the other side?

Make an excuse about it? You mean refute your ideals? He's not making excuses, he's using logic, reason, and science to debunk them, not "making excuses about" them.

In other words, making excuses that seem and appear to make sense, but are false.

I am not making excuses because I have nothing to excuse.

Evolution is not a faux pas, it is an examinable fact.
It is supported by hundreds of thousands of individual pieces of evidence, from almost every branch of science.
It is not a lie.
It is not false.
It is not self-contradictory.

Why don't you have the guts to flat-out call me a liar?

Why? Because you know that I am not.

Because you know, deep down, that everything I have said is true.

Why not take the truly brave step and admit it?

Because you know, deep down, that everything I have said is true.
That is the most pathetically false set of words i have ever read.

Wow, you're getting pretty defensive, 'eh? Afraid your myths might get shattered under the scrutiny of... reality?

Say whatever you want, you will not convince me, i will not convince you, We are getting nowhere.

You could convince me, if you provided actual evidence for the existence of God that hasn't been debunked. If you can't be convinced, that's your own closed-mindedness.

Well there is not much solid physical evidence on it, neither is there much on the fact that air exists, but it does, you can prove that air exists by blowing it on your hand and felling it, and that is mostly the only way to prove that air exists without any fancy tools or whatever. The same goes for the fact that god exists, or any of this is real, it is, but there is not too many ways of proving it, without a miracle.

here it is again, but much easier to readWell there is not much solid physical evidence on it, neither is there much on the fact that air exists, but it does, you can prove that air exists by blowing it on your hand and felling it, and that is mostly the only way to prove that air exists without any fancy tools or whatever.The same goes for the fact that god exists, or any of this is real, it is, but there is not too many ways of proving it, without a miracle.

then again it is not too easy to read...oh well :P

It's easy to prove air exists. It can condense into a liquid.

Duhh..........

For people with the right equipment it is. And if you want even more reasons, you can compress air, you can blow other objects with it, you can observe it slowing down skydivers with parachutes, it inflates balloons, etc.

Duhh............

Aha, But you need to go through a lot of hasstle to do that, and you need equipment, defeats the whole purpose of my point.
duhhhhh............................................................

So you didn't even bother to read the rest of my comment?Duhh........ I guess I'll have to repeat it for you:

"And if you want even more reasons, you can compress air, you can blow other objects with it, you can observe it slowing down skydivers with parachutes, it inflates balloons, etc."

You still need to get something, in this case, An air compressor, A parachute, and an airplane.
DUHHHHHHH........................................................................

You forgot the balloon, which is oh soooo hard to find. You could also prove it exists by dropping a piece of paper and watching it glide to the ground,

Oh no, I can't find a piece of paper except in the most advanced laboratories!

You need to go through hassle to get paper, i have no paper anywhere.
Duh...

OK, smarty pants, how do you explain flatulence without air? Wait, let me guess, you're going to say that not everyone has a butt?

You would need to...Do it, Not always easy...
duh

That's a pretty dumb excuse, and it only means that you need to get more fiber into your diet.

So you don't even know what fiber is?

"Dietary fiber, sometimes called roughage, is the indigestible portion of plant foods that pushes food through the digestive system, absorbing water and easing defecation"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_fiber

Eating foods high in fiber also contributes to flatulence. Most people pass gas about 14 times a day, most of it while you are sleeping. If your number is much lower than this, you need to eat more fiber.

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I know what fiber is, what i don't know is how it is relevant to any of this discussion.

Just look at your previous comments. I said flatulence was an easy way to prove air exists, and you said "You would need to...Do it, Not always easy...". Then I was saying that if it's not easy, you need to eat more fiber.

Oh i get it now, Getting more fiber is not easy.and can take some time, a whole day at most.

I understand how an inattentive person could get the "Getting more fiber is not easy" part out of that, but the "It can take a whole a whole day" part reaches a whole new level of ignorance. Did you even read what I said?

I assume that means you give up. So do you understand that it is extremely easy to prove air exists?

See, we can scientifically observe air. Can I touch, feel, or interact with god?

My point was that there is only one way to prove air is there, by blowing it and felling it. In other words, a miracle would be needed to prove that he exists, and the "Fancy tools" represents the few pieces of proof left on the earth.

There are multiple ways of proving air exists. However, it doesn't matter. We're not talking about proving air exists, we are talking about proving the Judeo-christian god exists.