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A modern build of a medieval spring pole lathe

I study medieval woodworking a lot, and I've always wanted to try out the medieval style lathe. The major difference between this type, and the modern lathe is that the motion is reciprocal, rather than continuous circular motion. That, and the fact that it is totally human powered. The back and forth motion of a "spring pole" type lathe has been used well past the 1600's era that I study, and in many places is still in use today.

The whole idea behind a Spring Pole lathe is that you would pinch a piece of wood between two points, wrap a cord around the wood, and pump down on a treadle while putting your cutting tool to the wood. On release, the springy pole attached to the top of the rope would pull up, spinning the wood backwards, and making it ready to be pushed down again and cut.

Here is my build process as posted in my woodworking blog: http://wood.box23.net

-- Badger
 
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Step 1: Beginning the project

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It’s begun! Something I’ve been wanting to work on for a while now. I want to build a spring pole lathe, modelled after the medieval reciprocating lathe design that was used for hundreds of years to do lathe turning.

The pictured chunks of wood are the two uprights, that will hold two lengths of 2×4 Pine (might updgrade that later, but I have some in the shop right now) I’ve had these 4×4 posts sitting around for a long time, always waiting for a project. I finally decided to get started. At first I had visions of making a flywheel lathe, but it’s a lot more complicated, so I decided to start out with a more period design anyway. I’m hoping to make it portable enough to take to events and do demos with. We shall see.

I cut the notched by hand, instead of using a bunch of power tools. Somehow it just seems fitting.

Steps so far:

1. Cut the posts to 44″ lengths. This should give me 38″-39″ of leg room underneath to power the lathe.
2. Marked the depth of the cuts with my Rosewood Cutting Gauge that I got at Woodcraft a while back. It’s a thing of beauty. I measured it so that I would be able to fit a width of 2×4 down between the two cross bars. I’ll be using 2×4 to construct the “poppets”, sort of a free floating head and tail stock.
3. Marked the width, and clamped it in my vise. (I want a bench vise. Reallllly badly.)
4. Using my Japanese pull saw, I cut the notch sides, and the two more paralell cuts down to the marked lines. This makes chiselling out the waste easier.
5. Using a 1″ bench chisel I cut out the waste with taps of a hammer
6. Cleaned up a little it with a wood rasp, but for the most part the chisel did the heavy lifting.

Notes: Easier than I thought it would be. I thought it’d be lots of work, but it was pretty easy. I got the technique from watching the Woodwrights Shop. Best show on TV for woodworking. Bar none.

I did crimp and break my japanese pull saw blade though, this makes me sad. I went in a little crooked, and it bent. Ugh. I love this saw, it’s probably been the best tool in my shop for a while. It makes nice thin cuts, easier and cleaner than a standard american style “push” saw. Fortunatly, I can buy replacement blades. It’s the one marked B in the photo below.

I think that saw has partially changed the way I do wood working, I kid you not. Time to get my butt down to Woodcraft to get a couple more blades. Going to buy a backup, just in case.

Next step, the cross bars, drilling holes and mounting lag bolts, and building the head/tail stock “poppets”. Then all it needs is tool rest, and some kind of “spring pole” to power it. I’m thinking bungie cord. Not very period, but it allows me to adjust it to find the right amount of “spring” and find a springy pole these days is a bit harder than wandering out in the back woods and cutting one. Not so much on the back woods these days…. Pity.

Step 2: Lathe details - Uprights

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Over the next few steps, I’ll be detailing the rest of the build out of the “spring pole” lathe I built last weekend. I was able to complete it fairly quickly, and I snapped some cell phone pictures along the way.

This step will feature th buid out of the uprights, and attaching the crossbeams.

As you can see in the above picture, the uprights are attached to a sort of “A” frame to hold them up. This design came about for two reasons. One, it’s based on a period (1583) drawing of a lathe I found. Two, it’s a practical and easy to build method of holding the beam up. I grabbed some 2×4, and just started cutting what felt right in terms of lengths based on what I had on hand. I want to be able to break it down and travel with it, so each upright needed to be able to stand up independently and be self contained. The angled pieces are cut with a 45 degree angle on the table saw, and screwed into place with long wood screws. The beam upright rests on the horizontal 2×4 which extends a little bit out from the base for stability, but not getting in the way.

The cross beams are Douglas Fir 2×4. I took a standard 8′ one, and cut it in half to create a 4′ bed for the lathe. Subtract a little bit for the head and tail stock, and you have about 3.5′ feet of workable area. To attach them to the uprights I fit the 2×4 into the notches, and clamped it down. I then drilled a couple of holes through the 2×4 and upright for the bolts I was going to use. I drilled it pretty close to the size of the bolts for a tight fit, which turned out to be too tight. So I had to drill it out a bit bigger to allow a little wiggle room to get the bolts throught. Once the crossbeams are bolted on, the whole frame is quite rigid, and very sturdy.

That’s it for this step, next step will cover the head/tail stock, making the centers, and more.

Step 3: Lathe details - Head and Tail Stock

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This step will cover the creation of the head and tail stock for the “spring pole” lathe project.

To make the stocks themselves, I just bolted together chunks of 2×4 to create a solid head stock. To make access to the piece of turning easier I cut the two side pieces with a 45 degree cut to give it a diagonal access to the area.

The length of the middle piece was determined by measuring above the crossbeams about 8″ (the height of what I thought might make a good turning area. (close to 16″ diameter turning area seemed more than enough.) The bottom part I picked a sizable tail to it, so I could cut a mortise into it for clamping to the cross bars, and left some below that to give it some strength (I will draw up plans later with exact measurments.) The size and depth of the notches in the uprights gives me a gap between the crossbars that a 2×4 fits into. The two short pieces (8″) screwed to the side of the middle, longer piece rest on the crossbars. when I fit a wedge into the mortice in the tail of the headstock, it locks the stock to the crossbars and is quite immobile.

To put the mortice hole in I used Fornster bits a bit wider than the width of the wedge I am using. I used a piece of Maple I had sitting around because I figured it would hold up better being pounded in and out all the time. I made the hole go above the bottom of the crossbars so that the wedge would lock against the underside, and not top out against the stock. I also angled the bottom of the mortise with a chisel to approximatly fit the angle of the wedge. My wedges ended up being different sizes but they both work quite well.

To make the centers I useda 1/2″ bolts I found at the hardware store. 1/2″ steel rod was expensive, but 1/2″ zinc plated steel bolts were about 70 cents for a 4″ bolt. The threading didn’t go all the way up the shaft, so a quick hacksaw job later, and I had cheap steel 1/2″ rod in the 2″ length I needed!! I rough ground one end of each center to a vague 45″ cone on my 6″ grinder, and then chucked the piece into my drill press, and held a metal file to the end to make a pointed shape. It turned out pretty nicely. I got this method of shaping the point from the Woodwrights shop tv program.

Drilling a 1/2″ hole in my head stock, and just pushed the center in. I can remove it later if I need to build a new headstock. Locking the head stock in place with a few taps of a wooden hammer to the wedge, I lined up the tailstock right up against the pointy end of the center in the headstock. I locked the tail stock down too, so they were in the exact turning positions they would be in at this point. Then a hard rap to the tailstock drove the face into the headstock cenet point just enough to make a mark. This gives me a pretty much true lined up centers in both stocks, which is important in turning. Drilled that hole, mounted the tail center and voila!

Step 4: Lathe details - building the spring pole

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At this point the “spring pole” lathe is almost built. THe reason for all the quotes around “spring pole” will be evident in a moment. At this point, we have uprights mounted on A frame supports, parrallel crossbeams, holding up a moveable head and tail stock with steel centers. Now we need a power source to rotate the object that will be held between the centers.

In olden times, and I do mean OLD, the power source was a springy pole, that would pull the rope wrapped around your workpiece back after you’d pushed down on the treadle to rotate it. This would create a reciprical or back and forth motion of the workpiece. You’d apply your tool on the down stroke, and ease off on the up stroke. This is the wood turning was done for hundreds of years.

Since I could not walk out to the woods and find a springy pole, and more to the point, I had no room in my garage for one, I decided to use a “bungie cord” instead. This would give me spring back enough to do the job, and could take up much less space, while still recreating the motion of the springy pole.

For my lathe I took a couple of lengths of 2×2 and drilled holes about 1 inch down from the top, on one side. I did this for both side pieces. They were about 8′ long, straight out of the hardware store. I trimmed about 6 inches from the ends to get rid of bad wood. I then cut a 4′ chunk, and drilled the ends to accept a 6″ piece of dowling on each end. It stick out about 4″ after sinking it into the ends. These dowels go through the holes in the tops of the side pieces. No need to attach it any better, since the next step is to hook the end of the bungie (mine was purple, very festive) around the 2″ of dowling sticking out of the side piece, and stretching it over to the other side to hook it over the other dowling end. This pulls the two side pieces up agaisnt the ends of the 2×2 middle piece, and it’s all good.

All I had to do was tie a rope around my bungie in the middle, and wrap it around the piece of wood pinched between centers, and voila a “spring pole”!

The last step was to create a treadle from some 1×2 scrap, a piece of leather for a hinge, and a piece of scrap ply wood to stand on. The 1×2 should extend past the end of the crossbeams. I notched the ends and made a sort of A shape out of the 1×2 pieces with two hinges attached to the plywood I stand on. The crossbar of the “A” was placed so my foot had a comfortable place to rest. It works quiet well, and is less work than I expected!

I’m still working on a design for a toolrest. For now I just clamp a 2×2 scrap to the head and tail stock, but that doesn’t work very well.
flamesami3 years ago
are you turning/going to turn seasoned or green wood on this lathe? It would definitely be easier to turn green wood, but is that just part of the challenge?
meddler8 years ago
I am trying to build a medievil staff sling (trebuchet on a stick) and can only get it to throw a short distance. Anybody out there build any, got any advice?
A hoopack? Ask Tasselhoff.
hahaha
Don't Tassel the Hoff.
you need to attach a sling to the end of the staff where the loop on the sling is glue that on then tie a loop in the other end of the sling then slot that over the end of the staff
CanDo meddler8 years ago
Just come on over to slinging.org 's forums and we'll give you plenty of advice :)
wizworm4 years ago
Look into traditional bowmaking for your spring pole (think the top half of a bow), I'd find a straight grained red oak 1x2 and sand it down to a taper testing its springyness along the way. There's lots of 'ibles about bowmaking that can help
Dumchicken4 years ago
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throwapot4 years ago
you could also make it like a sewing machine where the pedal operates a rod attached to a flywheel. I don't know if they used such devices in the middle ages for lathes, but off center wheel and rod technology has been around for a long time.
The idea of a spring pole lathe always intrigued me -- I was wondering what it would be like to scavange a spare bicycle rear axle/cassette and take advantage of the pawl mechanism to get a spring pole lathe that didn't reverse direction every time you lift your foot. Hrmmm. Then add some spinning weight to help carry momentum. Might really make it even easier to use.
Great idea! I was also wondering if it would be helpful to add some kind of gear or pulley system that would increase the number of revolutions with each step on the treadle.
omg r2d2
It would have been very interesting to see a video of this lathe in motion.
Thanks for sharing.
DaboJones5 years ago
Do you have some more detailed pics of the treadle mechanics? We're looking to make an automaton powered by treadle, but now that I see this I want my own lathe...:) Thanks for the instructable.
this looks great! how does it turn?
Broom7 years ago
Hiya, Badger! For a second there, I thought you were my old friend Sir Baldwin (aka Badger), and was surprised he had taken up woodworking so fervently!

Not to steal any of your thunder, but did you happen to see the reciprocal lathe that Avery Austringer set up in front of Midrealm Royal 5-or-so years back?

I've been needing some bedposts turned, since I'm too cheap to buy the damn things premade. Would be WAY cool to do them "right" - do you think that would take an insane amount of effort for a piece that big?
Oooo, I'm all famous and stuff. Actually, I got here looking for ideas on how to upgrade my lathe for this coming Pennsic One tip I have for anybody thinking about doing this: go to www.useenco.com (or any other site that sells stuff for metal lathes) and get a pair of carbon steel dead centers. For $10 or so you can get yourself a pair of #3 Morse taper centers that are well machined and will give you lots of bearing surface.
duck-lemon7 years ago
Oooh canmy medieval group you add this to
I saw a smaller human powered lathe on a travel show a while ago. i think they where in morocco. the work piece was turned with a bow drill... like you might use for starting a fire. the lathe was low down, and you used it sitting on the ground (good, because then you can use your feet to help hold your tools.
Very nice creation. I watched one in use at Plimoth Plantation in MA. Very cool to see in action. The chips really fly! Theirs used a sapling mounted to the ceiling as the rebound spring.
badger (author)  red_metallic7 years ago
Thanks. I would love to see the one you've seen. I need to make it out there one of these days. The bungie cord is my sapling. I don't have room in my garage or access to saplings, so I made do. :)
static7 years ago
I understand where I'm viewing this instructable nearly one year after it's posting. thing will change. To see the "build process" we are instructed to navigate away from the instructable to http://wood.box23.net . However that URL results in an error message from wordpress, is there another source for viewing your build process? TNX...
badger (author)  static7 years ago
Sorry, I had to move my sites to a new host, and never got around to rebuilding that blog. I'll look at it, maybe I can get it up later. I think most of my notes are here in this page though, so it should be complete. Thanks for checking out my build.
HamO8 years ago
I see you have the same workshop decorator I use. Nice instructable and pix.
phinch8 years ago
do you have any pictures of any turnings?
badger (author)  phinch8 years ago
Not that I've turned on this lathe. I use my motorized modern lathe all the time. I'm still learning how to use this one, it requires different techniques. Plus I haven't had time the garage for a while now.
mrmath8 years ago
Quite the cool project. I think it's a little ironic, however, to build a midieval tool using modern technology.
badger (author)  mrmath8 years ago
The irony is not lost on me. :) badger