How To Rewind an Alternator

How To Rewind an Alternator
This will cover rewinding of an alternator stator for use in a wind turbine generator.

Traditionally, the use of car alternators is discouraged in favor of homemade slow running axial flux generators. However I bought a small Hitachi alternator for 1/3 of the price of one rare earth N35 Neodymium magnet, typically one uses 24 of these magnets in a wind turbine, so it would take about 45yrs to recoup the costs of the magnets alone.

In other words, not gonna happen.

Im using a Hitachi alternator from an early 1970's 1200 Datsun that had an external regulator mounted on the fender in the engine bay.

I figured this being my first foray into alternator rewinding, it would be much easier learning on a simple little 35Amp alternator like this. The downside is the rather low output and I probably wont go to all the trouble of mounting it on a pole too.

Be that as it may, it serves as an example of how alternator rewinding is done, whether it is just repairing for auto use, or modding for windmill use.

 
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Step 1Pull It Apart

Pull It Apart
This is relatively simple, 3 long bolts and the case is apart.
Then remove the field connection brushes from the rear of the case, it has the letters F and N on the connector, being field and neutral.

Once everything is apart, check the bearings for wear, they should turn freely without noise of grinding. They shouldn't spin which would indicate that they are dry.
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Jun 15, 2010. 9:06 PMnumberonebikeslover says:
I think, removing the inner rotter coils and putting magnets from loud speakers would make the rotter a permanent magnet. This is something i saw on internet long ago, but never gave it a try. Best wishes.
Dec 17, 2011. 6:00 PMraviliyan says:
Its really works, but I used magnets from microwave oven they are bit strong the speaker ones.
Sep 8, 2011. 3:03 PMskishore2 says:
hi everyone...i just went through the instructions..problem is how to opne the rotor coil further.i doubt while applying more force it might damage the poles of rotor.can somebody help me out how to open the rotor coil inside car alternator so dat i can place circular magnets of speakers inside.so that its strength will increase...thank you eveyrone
Nov 22, 2011. 9:00 AMcaluire24 says:
Hello,
Did you find a solution I'm having just the same issue:
- removed the bearings (using a gear puller),
- removed the slip ring (unsoldering the coil wire links),
- cannot remove the two "fingers" parts: even with the use of the gear puller (begins to smash the axe).
Any solution may help, Thanks in advance,
Nov 22, 2011. 11:20 PMnumberonebikeslover says:
Well I have not done it my self so I am rather ignorant than you my friend. I believe in learning by doing. Wish you all the best.
Jun 14, 2010. 11:37 PMSmartarts says:
I've done a single phase rewind, 3 phase being too difficult for me to contemplate. For single phase you can use a continuous length of wire, feeding it down one slot then up the next and continuing round and round the stator until you have filled all the slots completely. I constructed a matching permanent magnet rotor using 36 neodymium magnets 25mm long and 5mm x 5mm section. This type of construction does create vibration at low speed due to cogging but this decreases as the speed picks up.
Oct 25, 2011. 8:57 AMbeko320 says:
can you tell us the results for volts and amps ?
Jun 11, 2010. 6:05 AMOorspronklikheid says:
To make ripping out the old coil easier you might try turning your oven on max and putting the stator inside it to melt of the enamel.
Jun 13, 2010. 5:47 PMdataboy says:
I worked in the electrical industry. Placing the stator in an oven to melt the enamel will not make any difference. There is a wedge in the slots to hold the windings in place. Professional re-winders do not re-use the old copper. They just cut one side of the winding and tap out the windings. Professional re-winders use a bench form to wind the new windings then drop the windings into the stator slots. Then they use a wedge to stop the windings moving. Sometimes the wedge is just a thick piece of insulation.
Oct 7, 2010. 8:02 PMhonorman says:
Sorry, If it was taken from my post to reuse the old wire, of course this would never work, (dead short) plus cheap workmanship.

Also this was in the early 1950's that this man did this without any fancy jigs or maybe one he made, because he did take the motor back inside to his work bench to rewind it.

Its likely he learned this trade from someone else. this was small town Mayberry back then, 2000 people.

I then spent 12 years myself in electronic trouble shooting, later in life, then 33 year building New Homes
Jun 14, 2010. 3:13 AMOorspronklikheid says:
i got the idea from a company that regarly rewind motors in exess of 100KW(wich is kind of smal to them), so i thought it might work here too
Jul 2, 2010. 7:36 PMwga22 says:
Do motors/alternators generally "burn out" because the enamel wears/melts away and the current shorts out? If one were to rewind, they would melt off the old enamel, then redip in enamel, then rewind? Any difference between AC and DC current motors?
Jun 15, 2010. 4:12 PMSilence says:
Permanent magnet alternators are far superior to standard alternators, they're far more efficient and require no external source for the field. They're the usually choice for marine, RV and performance vehicle applications.
Jun 8, 2010. 3:00 PMgandlof5 says:
Your coils are not wound like the original. you notice the break between sets of coils. This could limit your output as the angle between the phases is less than 120 degrees. look at the original coils and then yours. nice winding jab though.
Jun 11, 2010. 2:15 PMgandlof5 says:
Ive bben thinking this over. wind your first phase coils as you did. Then the second phase coils over 2 slots over instead of one. This will put the other side of the 2nd pase coil in the slot next to next phase one coil. the third phase coil will overlap both the phase 2 and phase one coils. Also you will not get more power out of this with the standard regulator. though you can get output at lower rmps. If you can use a current limited supply to the field coil you should get twice the voltage as before. Also without the 12V regulator your unloaded voltage can be much more than 12V. The standard regulator will limit the field cuurent down to prevent more than 12v output. If you try this be very careful, with your rewind you could get several hundred volts.
Jun 15, 2010. 7:12 PMgandlof5 says:
What is your open circuit voltage? the battery will hold the voltage down as long as it can except the current. The rest of the voltage is droped in the coils.
Jun 10, 2010. 8:35 AMjimk3038 says:
How much current does it take to drive the rotor field? I'm assuming you just put 12 volts across the rotor to generate the magnet field. Right?
Jun 10, 2010. 10:43 AMjimk3038 says:
So, it takes 30 watts to magnetize the rotor. Ouch.

Here is another motor you might want to consider. The attached picture shows a power-steering motor from an 06 GM Malibu. This is basically a three phase servo motor.

The picture also shows the amplifier next to the motor. The other little board is the hall sensor encoder board off the back of the motor.

What makes this motor good for windmill applications is that it already has good magnets for the rotor. So, no slip rings or loss power to magnetize the rotor.

I use to work for Motorola who made the amplifier for Delphi. I know that motor can handle 100 amps of current for short durations. It might be small, but it is really powerful. Just look at the size of the power connectors in the attached photo.

Just goofing around, I smoked my voltmeter's fuse by hand cranking the motor while trying to measure current output.

Anyway, just a thought that maybe there is a better motor to start your experiments with.

Good Luck,
Jim
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Jun 13, 2010. 10:51 PMpetre says:
petre says: no no you dont need 30 watts to magnetize the rotor. my onan manual says to use a 6 volt dry cell and a diode and a resistor in series with the batt. doesn't specify resistor size.
Jun 14, 2010. 9:12 PMpetre says:
petre says:OK my onan manual [ for a 120-240 volt alternator ] says if there is a loss of residual magnetism [voltage will not build up ] it may be necessary to flash the field. connect a 6 volt lantern battery in series with a diode and re sistor. diode is 120 amp[dc] 300 volt. resistor is 10 ohm,10 watt. batt + diode -- resistor----to pos brush. negative side of batt to alt frame. start the unit with no load connected to alt. momentarily touch resistor to positive brush. remove as soon as voltage starts to build up. use a volt meter to moniter the voltage. any questions call me at 412- 335-3508 i will be up until 3 am EST.
Jun 14, 2010. 9:44 AMhonorman says:
When I was a kid there was a man that did rewinding of motors as a business in my brothers electrical shop, he would build a fire outside (like a camp fire) and put the old winding on the fire to burn out the enamel, then tear out the wires when cool. and take it to his work bench and rewind the motors. this was in the 1950's
Jun 14, 2010. 7:09 AMWVvan says:
Nicely done. Very informative.
Jun 8, 2010. 6:05 PMmagickaldan says:
You need to measure poweroutput with a load on it and measure the input from your batteries to see how much power the field coil is sucking up. See if it's putting out more than its using. Also if you can increase the voltage to your field coil then the voltage per rpm should go up too. So maybe a voltage doubler would be good for this?
Jun 13, 2010. 10:54 PMpetre says:
petre says: double the voltage half the current? is that it?
Jun 8, 2010. 6:07 PMmagickaldan says:
Because all the voltage regulator on the alternator does is regulate the voltage to the field winding. The higher the rpm the less voltage to keep it at 12v.
Jun 9, 2010. 10:36 PMmikeyx says:
That 's right fishing equipment silk.
Jun 8, 2010. 5:12 PMiskandr says:
Have you spun this up to speed? What kind of output are you getting?

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