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Save your skin! Upgrade that scary old amp with an isolation transformer.

Quite a few old amplifiers (and radios) back in the day drew power by directly rectifying the household "mains" wiring. This is an inherently unsafe practice.

Most guitars connect the bridge and strings to the ground (shield) wire on the guitar cord, essentially using the player as a "noise shield." In transformer-less amps, the Neutral wire of the mains is often used as the "ground." With a two-prong cord, Neutral and Hot can be switched (which could place the amp's ground on the Hot wire!) In other words, playing a guitar amp without an isolating transformer could be like sticking a fork in a wall outlet.

Isolation transformers limit the amount of current that can be supplied to the amp (and consequently to the guitar player) if any shock hazards arise, and eliminate possible "hot" ground issues.

In addition, we'll install a three-prong cord, so the amp has a proper earth ground. And a fuse, too. The earth ground and fuse help to maintain a sane ground reference, and protection from shorts.

And we'll incorporate the changes on a small "module," so as to change the original as little as possible. If someone is crazy enough to revert to the original setup...they can do that.

This mod works with radios, too. In fact, many of these amps were called "radio tube" amps, or "AC/DC amps"--like their radio counterparts, a transformer-less amp could be plugged directly into a DC or battery power supply without modification. A decently-sized bank of batteries were required (over 100V), but that was once commonplace.

Step 1: ZZZAAAPPPP! It's the Safety Disclaimer!

I'm copying this from my own instructable about tube amp rebuilding :

DISCHARGE THOSE POWER FILTER CAPACITORS!!!!!

Seriously. Do this EVERY TIME you work on the amp. If you don't, DO NOT complain if you loose the use of your hand. DO NOT come back and haunt me if you die....

The power 'filter' caps can store fatal amounts of electrical current, and are sometimes termed "reservoir" caps. The caps are connected near the rectifier and are part of the power supply, and aid in converting AC to DC. In fact, they are a standard component in any power supply.

If you're completely lost, and don't understand this , DON'T MODIFY YOUR AMP . You haven't enough knowledge to work on high voltage/current circuits safely...

There are several ways to discharge caps, but here's the easiest:

FIRST, UNPLUG THE AMP! (But that doesn't make it safe....)

THEN,

-- Jumper the positive (+) lead of each large cap to GND for several seconds. A jumper with a built-in resistor (10K or so) will help prevent sparks here... If your jumper has a resistor, leave it connected for at least 30 seconds before you touch anything.

-- OR short the caps with a screwdriver. Lay the shaft on the chassis, then bridge to the positive (+) lead of the cap. Be sure the screwdriver handle is insulated (if it's painted, it might not be.)

This may result in a spark... Obviously, your flesh can act as a jumper also (that is NOT a challenge.)

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<p>Hey this is a great article and I will need to do this on one of my amp. It is a Canadian made amp labelled Regal. It's probably from the mid 1960s. <br><br>I do have one question, it uses a 12ax7, 50L6 and 35Z5 rectifier. I looked at the data sheet for all parts and they can all accept plate voltage of 200V. Is it really necessary to drop the voltage (from your measured 168V) in that case? <br><br>Thanks for this very informational and documented piece.</p>
<p>Thanks! You'll need to trace the voltage for the tube heaters (filaments), not the plate voltage, to set your limit. The heaters have at most 10% over-voltage tolerance.</p><p>That's all this voltage modification does, it doesn't drop the voltage on the signal path part.</p>
<p>Great article man! Very Helpful!</p><p>Forgive me if I missed it in the article, but what size fuse should I use, or how do I go about calculating? Does it need to be slow-blo?</p>
<p>Sorry missed your comment earlier. </p><p>What's the wattage for your amp? Wattage is voltage X amperes, so it's pretty easy to figure the fuse from that...</p>
<p>Thanks for all your help, my amp works great, no hum, tremolo works great.</p>
<p>Cool! Thx.</p>
<p>Thanks , I've got a amp basically like yours, made by Guyatone in Japan in the early 60s. The badge says Marathon, but the same amp has badges of Kent, Tremo-tone and a few others. It's an accident waiting to happen the way it is. Thanks again Your the man.</p>
<p>Did you use a half wave bridge rectifier ?</p>
<p>Changed the original tube rectifier (halfwave) to a fullwave SS. It's discussed in the Ible; see steps 8 and 9...</p>
<p>Yeah , good project !</p><p>I would like to comment on a couple of things . Even the amps with a power transformer aren't totally safe if they came with a 2-prong plug . I have a 1968 Fender Dual Showman tube amp that had a 2-prong plug and a &quot; GROUND &quot; switch which would reverse the mains connections . you could flip the switch once you started to get ZAPPED or the amp got noisy ! That one was an easy fix , I replaced the power cord with a 3-prong type , and grounded/earthed the chassis . ( I like old &quot; tube &quot; stuff ) one of my old radios , a Hallicrafter s-38 eb communications receiver has a &quot; hot &quot; chassis , I will probably get one of those transformers for it , or get a bigger transformer and have an isolated power strip to plug things like that into , haven't decided yet . Oh yeah , the idea of keeping the 35w4 tube is good , in addition to keeping the filament voltages correct , it would not be good for the other tubes to have full plate voltage while they were warming up . </p><p>Cheers , take care , and have a good day!!...73</p>
<p>Thanks, the necessity for an earth ground is covered pretty heavily here, along with the reasons -- guitar strings are generally connected directly to the amplifier's ground, which can make the player &quot;hot&quot; relative to the outside world...if the ground connection is incorrect. </p><p>I've had the same experience of a shock or &quot;tingle&quot; with old amps....</p>
<p>My first guitar amp was pretty much the same circuit . 50c5 , 35w4 , and I don't recall exactly what the pre-amp tube was . You can do all kinds of modifications to an amp . Different tubes , etc ( but then you need to worry about filament or plate voltage ) or different transformers , etc. But a mod for the sake of safety makes more sense to me !</p><p>Cheers , take care , and have a good day !!</p>
<p>Yeah , good project !</p><p>I would like to comment on a couple of things . Even the amps with a power transformer aren't totally safe if they came with a 2-prong plug . I have a 1968 Fender Dual Showman tube amp that had a 2-prong plug and a &quot; GROUND &quot; switch which would reverse the mains connections . you could flip the switch once you started to get ZAPPED or the amp got noisy ! That one was an easy fix , I replaced the power cord with a 3-prong type , and grounded/earthed the chassis . ( I like old &quot; tube &quot; stuff ) one of my old radios , a Hallicrafter s-38 eb communications receiver has a &quot; hot &quot; chassis , I will probably get one of those transformers for it , or get a bigger transformer and have an isolated power strip to plug things like that into , haven't decided yet . Oh yeah , the idea of keeping the 35w4 tube is good , in addition to keeping the filament voltages correct , it would not be good for the other tubes to have full plate voltage while they were warming up . </p><p>Cheers , take care , and have a good day!!...73</p>
<p>Thank you for the excellent instructions. Following them, I have just completed the installation of an isolation transformer and solid-state rectifier into an old &quot;Holy Toledo!&quot; three-tube guitar amp made by Dover in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada, probably in the 1960s. I hung the transformer from the chassis and installed a terminal strip inside the chassis to accommodate the rectifer. I replaced the original on-off switch, which was on the tone control, with a toggle switch in the panel. Since I wanted a power-on lamp (and I happened to have an old 6.3-volt assembly with the classic red jewel), I decided that the easiest way to power it was to mount inside the chassis a small transformer taken from a wall-wart and wire it across the incoming AC (so as not to put any additional load on the isolation transformer) and then to drop the AC voltage to the lamp with a 100-ohm 2-watt resistor. I also rebuilt the original three-capacitor can by removing the guts and putting in three new electrolytics. The first time I powered up the modified amp, it all worked like a charm. But there is some hum, so next I'll install a smoothing capacitor across the DC as you described in your option C. Since I wired the heater elements of the tubes directly across the AC output of the isolation transformer (this was easy with the transformer leads inside the chassis), the voltage going to them will not be affected by the smoothed DC coming out of the solid-state rectifer.</p><p> This low-power amp puts out a very satisfying crunch even at moderate volumes, and thanks to your instructions I can now use it without fear electrocuting myself. Now, has anyone out there ever heard of Dover of Kitchener or their &quot;Holy Toledo!&quot; guitar amp?</p>
<p>Thanks! Glad it worked for you. That's a good write-up of the mods you performed.</p><p>I have never heard of the company, nor of the &quot;Holy Toledo&quot; model. You should photograph it, and put it in a blog entry or something. Maybe you'd find other owners (I couldn't even find info in a web search!).</p>
<p>Hello, I just joined Instructables because of this article. Thanks for the great info. My questions is, (and please take into account that I'm an electronics newb) couldn't I bypass the ss rectifier and use a more robust iso transformer in order to take care of the half-wave rectifier issues?</p>
<p>Yeah, that is an option. It's essentially like running the amp on the mains without the rectifier upgrade. </p><p>So long as it doesn't mess up any other devices in your home, with noise, etc...</p>
<p>Thanks Doug!!</p><p>I have a Canadian made Pine/Pepco 801 ARC amp with 50C5, 35W4, 12AX7.</p><p>I have followed this excellent instructable and it works perfectly!</p><p>Barely any perceptible hum.</p><p>I'll upload the redrawn schematic for the original and the modified.</p>
<p>Thanks for the PDF drawing. I have a similar &quot;stencil&quot; amp, Chassis 801, CSA LR19952. I've looked at your PDF drawing and my intentions are to apply the same mods to my little amp. However I am worried to connect the Green and Secondary center white tap to the chassis of the amp as there is 39 volts on the chassis (please see attached schematic); I guess this would result in a huge hum through the speaker. Your help is very much appreciated.</p>
<p>Awesome, glad the ible helped!</p>
<p> </p><p>Today at 10:55 AM </p><div><div><div> <div>Hello.<p>I read your article about rectifiers with great interest and wonder if you can solve a similar problem.</p><p>I own a vintage radio (see link below including schematic) which includes two half-wave rectifier tubes--namely the 2X3--long since obsolete and having no direct substitutes.</p><p><a href="http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/deforest_prescott_ch_7d832.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/deforest_prescott_ch_7d832.html</a></p><p>The original 2X3s in the radio eventually burned out, so the closest tubes I found with similar characteristics were 2W3s which worked fine up until recently when they began performing erratically, going intermittently cold and then hot--clearly malfunctioning.</p><p><br>The 2W3s tested okay on my vintage Jackson 648 Dynamic tester, however such tests can be deceiving. When they work at all, these all-metal 2W3 tubes run very hot inside the radio--virtually untouchable--although apparently this is common with rectifiers.</p><p><br>Specs: 2X3 2.5 volts 2 amps 4X base diagram<br> 2W3 2.5 volts 1.5 amps 4X base diagram</p><p><br>Seeking a better solution, when I typed &quot;<em><strong>solid state rectifier tube replacement</strong></em>&quot; into the <em><strong>Google Image</strong></em> search bar I saw a variety of solid state options made by Sovtek and others, so I am wondering if you are aware of an existing solid state replacement for the 2X3 or if Sovtek or another manufacturer would actually need to &quot;clone&quot; this obsolete product--if indeed that would be economically practical on their part, although since such rectifiers are of a pretty basic design, perhaps my idea has merit after all.</p><p>Yes, a few online tube dealers do have some old stock 2X3 tubes for sale but they are expensive, unlikely to be available in stock forever due to their obsolescence, and in the long run such tubes would have a relatively short life span whereas a solid state replacement would presumably solve that issue forever.</p><p><br>Your thoughts on this and potential solutions would be very much appreciated.</p><p>Steve</p></div></div></div></div>
<p>Hi Newslogger44--sorry for the delay, I didn't check my I'bles account for a couple days.</p><p>RE: solid-state replacements for rectifiers, I'm aware that they exist. The trouble with using one in this (my) application, is that for &quot;radio tube&quot; amplifiers, the tube filaments are all wired in series, directly on the mains AC. A plug-in SS replacement won't work, unless it has a resistive element (with the same current draw, at the correct voltage) for the filament pins.</p><p>Most high-end tube amps don't do that, they have a separate filament supply (usually 5 or 6 volts secondary on the power transformer) dedicated only to the rectifier tube. Since no other components are wired in series with the rectifier filament, <em>those</em> SS replacements simply forego the filament supply altogether--which in fact makes the PT run a little cooler.</p><p>This is actually discussed within the I'ble, mostly in the sections about the series AC filament...</p><p>It it possible to make your own solid state replacement--they aren't very complex. If you search for them, I'll bet you find a schematic. If I recall, they are generally just SS rectifiers with a current-limiting resistor in series to mimic &quot;sag.&quot;</p><p>Otherwise, if you're using the 2A version in place of the 1.5A one, there's a good chance you'll damage the amp...</p>
<p>Thanks for this post!<br>Could you share what model/value rectifier you used?</p>
<p>Sorry, I missed this... For the bridge? For this proj I think it's a pretty standard 1A 400V rectifier.</p>
<p>Where would I find a 1A 400V bridge rectifier? The closest I've found is a 3A 400V from Antique Electronic Supply https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/P-QBR-34</p><p>Thanks, this is a great post btw.</p>
<p>The 3A would work just fine. Otherwise, you can fabricate a bridge rectifier with four diodes (1N4004 or 1N4007)...</p><p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Doug,</p><p>I've read your brilliant article about the iso transformer upgrade but I'm a bit confused about applying the concepts to the new Kay 703C amp I bought off of ebay recently... Attached is the schemo... it appears that only a part of the filaments are not isolated...?!?! Am I getting this right? Any particular guidelines to apply the concepts and not end up frying some component or myself in the process? I'm not sure how to go about this especially relative to rectifying this circuit adequately... I know a fair bit about electronics but not as much as you that's clear...Thanks.</p><p>Ian W.</p>
<p>That is one really strange schematic... There isn't any isolation for most of that amp.</p><p>The only thing that's isolated on that amp is the 18V filament for the preamp pentode. The only purpose I can think of for that transformer is that the preamp tube filaments draw a different amount of current than the other tubes, so they couldn't be used in series. The preamp voltage is still AC, even with the iso trans, so it doesn't have a DC supply for the preamp filament (which would be one reason to separate that heater from the rest). The tube filament voltages look perfect to run in series, so it's puzzling unless there are differing current requirements. </p><p>The wall AC runs in series through the iso transformer primary winding, the power tube, a voltage dropping resistor (R9) and <strong>half</strong> of the rectifier filament--where it splits off through the <strong>other half</strong> of the rectifier filament, and then becomes the B+ for both the signal tubes. Meaning the B+ voltage is wired in series with half of the rect heater, so they figured the current draw of the plates and sundry would balance with the draw of the half filament...</p><p>Very weird. Maybe the current draws for all the tubes are different, and they creatively figured a way with the transformer and half of one filament to make it work. Sometimes products are designed around an existing stock of tubes (like they got a truckload cheap).</p><p>I'd add an isolation transformer for the whole thing, right at the cord. It's too complicated and weird to change the rectification. Get a bigger iso transformer if you're worried about the half wave issue...</p>
Doug, I recently picked up a Gregory Mark I for $10 at an estate sale and I've just started to dig into it. Mine is slightly different from yours in that it has a tone control and inputs for three (yes three!!!) instruments, and the construction is slightly different. The output transformer, for one, is mounted to the speaker, and mine has a different filter cap than yours. I don't have your education on these matters, but I believe it is called a multi-section tubular electrolytic capacitor. Do you have any advice on replacing these. Are new ones still made, or do I replace this with three separate capacitors that match the three respective sections? Also, do you think that this capacitor indicates that my amp is even older than yours (I could fine no date of construction)? I've attached some photos, and thanks in advance.
Hey, that's pretty cool. Funny that the output wires are routed through a hole that was clearly meant for a tube, at one time (do you think it every held one?)<br> <br> My Mark one originally had a multi-cap, but I replaced that with individual caps. Yeah, you can certainly buy them still, although that particular style will be hard to find (with wires instead of posts, and mounted thusly). You can try <a href="http://www.tubesandmore.com/" rel="nofollow">Antique electronic supply</a>, for one. What they sell will be new, too. Ebay would have &quot;vintage&quot; caps like it, but I wouldn't bet on them being viable...<br> <br> Some radio restorers like to hollow out the old multicaps and replace the guts with new electrolytics, which are quite small. I'm not sure that a Gregory Mark I will ever be a collectable, so it's up to you if you think it's worth the effort. Good luck!
Thanks for your response. <br> <br>In regards to the multisection capacitor, I was going to replace it with individual caps, but I found a guy who will make a replica for $17 (http://hayseedhamfest.com/) plus $3 shipping, so I decided spend the extra few dollars and take the path of least resistance. <br> <br>I found the empty tube slot funny as well, but I don't think this amp never had an extra tube. My guess is that to save production costs they used the same chassis for several different amps. <br> <br>Where did you find a production date for yours? I don't see anything on mine. <br> <br>In regards to value, I know it's not really worth anything. I bought it for $10 and I may spend more on parts than it's worth. I'm just using it as an educational tool and an entertaining hobby. If I get it working fairly well I'll probably swap out the speaker, so keeping it &quot;original&quot; is not an issue. <br> <br>When I get to installing the isolation transformer, I may have a few more questions for you. Thanks.
The production date was stamped on the wooden frame of the cabinet.<br> <br> I'm sure you're right about the chassis... I think they changed design on these when a new truckload of surplus parts came available...
Two more things.<br> <br> 1) Please excuse my typo. &nbsp;I meant that I could not &quot;find&quot; a date of construction, not &quot;fine&quot; a day of construction.<br> <br> 2) I should have clarified that the amp has a sever hum, which leads me to believe that the capacitors should be the first thing to go.
For more than a few seconds, yes. Someone on a forum suggested wiring that particular transformer &quot;backwards&quot;: <br> <br>www.diyaudio.com/forums/tubes-valves/235515-4tube-philco-amp-project.html
I found some info on your amp, and it's pretty similar--three tubes, nothing unusual. It should work.<br> <br> If you're using &quot;option A&quot; you've added a fullwave rectifier, but not for the filaments. You should be well within the limits of the iso transformer. The Gregory is currently running the filaments on DC also, but it still works fine (and consumes more power with the DC heaters). The transformer gets a little hot, but not as hot as some of my vintage amp PTs.<br> <br> I've never tried the &quot;backwards wired&quot; approach. It appears this lowers the voltage, and consequently the current draw. At a lower voltage it's probably more distorted--OK for guitar, but maybe not for a reverb driver...
Thanks so much for posting this! I implemented this on a surplus Graymark 509 to run the plate reverb in my studio. But even with &quot;Option A&quot; in place, the transformer runs hotter than I'd like. Any thoughts?
Sure, glad it helped.<br> <br> How hot is hot? Is it too hot to touch?
Great Article!! I have a Gregory Mark V. Simiar to yours, but it has a tone knob and tremelo. Tubes are 50C5, 35W4, 12AU6 and 12AV6 (for the tremelo). I can easily install an isolation transformer, fuse and grounded AC cord. However, I need to figure out which transformer and fuse value. If I used a larger isolation transformer, could I keep the tube rectifier? Which fuse value would be best?
<br> Thanks! I upgraded the speaker on this one, and I use it all the time...<br> <br> I think you'd do fine with a 100 VA transformer. A 0.5 amp fuse should work.
Maybe I missed it, but what should the fuse be rated at?
Depends on the amp. Use the lowest rated fuse that works.<br> <br> To ballpark: amperage = watts / volts. A 40 watt amp (including 5% added for the iso transformer) is 40/120 = .333 amps. Might have to use a 0.5 amp fuse.<br> <br> If the setup works witha .35A or a .25A fuse, then that's even better...<br>
My amp uses 50eh5 tubes(pair) with no tube rectifier, only a single ss diode. Would I only need to replace it with bridge rectifier, or do something else??? thanks.
Since the SS diode doesn't have a filament, you can replace it completely with the bridge. No need to keep it there...
Ok ,thanks for te help !!!
Sure!<br> <br> Just make sure the new ground comes from the bridge, not from the old wiring setup, which is the &quot;neutral&quot; side of the mains plug...
Dumb question maybe, but isn't a full wave rectifier enough isolation?<br><br>If you were to run the power through the rectifier first, and feed the filaments DC with a series resistor to drop the extra voltage, do you need the extra bulk and expense of the isolation transformer?
Just for the heck, let's compare the numbers:<br> <br> -- Ohms law-- current = watts / voltage.<br> -- Rectified voltage is about 170 V (120 * 1.4)<br> -- This isolation transformer limits at 50 watts (50 VA, but close enough).<br> -- a 1n4007 diode bridge has a 1A limit (but it may take time to fail).<br> <br> Iso transformer draw: 50 watts / 170V = 0.294 Amp max<br> 1N4007 draw: 1 Amp max<br> Other rectifying diodes may draw 3 amps or more...<br>
But the purpose of an isolation transformer isn't to limit current using core saturation, it's to dereference the ground using inductive coupling, like you would use optoisolators in a MIDI interface. If you are earth grounded, and grab the live (hot) side of an isolated supply you should be OK, as the supply has it's own isolated ground, not referenced to earth ground<br><br>The issue is, that as we then earth (or ground) the chassis anyway, and the circuit ground is generally tied to that, we have just re-referenced our de-referenced ground anyway, which makes me wonder why the heck I'm using an isolation transformer. <br><br>According to the math above, if I were to use a 200VA transformer, the amp is suddenly dangerous again? There's got to be something we're missing here?<br><br>

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