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Pin Router for a Sears Radial Arm Saw

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There are times when a pin router would be handy, and a radial arm saw provides a handy platform with its arm adjustable for height and the motor carriage that can be locked at any position along the arm. And, if necessary, the motor can be tilted for very special needs.

Some radial arm saws, like Sawsmith and Montgomery Ward's Powr-Kraft, came from the factory with a high-speed spindle on the right end of the motor for a router collet chuck.  The Sears radial arm saws have a spindle with 1/2 inch thread for a Jacob's Chuck.  The Sears spindle runs too slowly for use with a router bit. 

 
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Step 1: Mounting holes

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This Sears radial arm saw came with two threaded holes on the bottom of the motor.  The holes were used to secure the motor in the crate for shipping.  The holes are 5/16 inch by 18 threads per inch.   

Step 2: Attaching angle iron

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I used a piece of 1 inch angle iron 11 inches long.  I drilled two 5/16 inch holes in the angle iron to match the holes on the bottom of the motor.  I used two 5/16 inch bolts about an inch long each and put a nut onto each before threading them into the holes.  The nuts are used to snug the angle iron against the bottom of the saw.
HEY!!!

THANKS for simplifying my life!

I have an 8 1/4" and a 10", both Sears.  One is going to be dedicated to 'other projects' now.
Phil B (author)  GrumpyOldGoat4 years ago
Thank you for your comment.  I hope that works out well for you.  I do not mind using my one tool for multiple purposes, although I spend extra time setting up for a new task.

I have posted several Instructables related to a Craftsman 10" radial arm saw.  One you might want to check deals with egg-shaped indexing pin holes in the yoke, and how to fix that.  With enough use, you will notice you can align your saw for crosscuts, but the blade will heel on ripping.    

I am discovering there a quite a few people who have never seen a radial arm saw and do not understand what they are, nor how they work.  I guess electric miter boxes have displaced them.  Meanwhile, there are some radial arm saws available on Craig's List for very low prices.
The 10" is a new acquisition from habitat for Humanity for $35.  It has some serious problems. The elevation crank is gone, the yoke that disengages the miter is broken.  The power cord didn't quite get pulled far enough out of the way at least once.
It lived outdoors for quite some time as well.  The table top is shot.
I can build an adapter for a small router and make if single purpose until I find the parts to fix it right.
All the swivel and tilt parts seem tight, as well as the carriage track.
I have a 10" slide miter too, but the radial arm is so much easier for some projects.
They DO require care and caution when in use though, and not for the careless types.
Phil B (author)  GrumpyOldGoat4 years ago
It sounds like you did well.  I will have to drop in at our local Habitat for Humanity Restore more often.  Unless I misunderstood badly, the things damaged or missing on your 10" saw do not sound that difficult to put into new condition.  Some could even be improvised at home.  Do you have a manual for your saw?
I found a link on www.lumberjocks.com.

A very good site for woodworking tips, tricks, and very talented people willing to help.

Sort of a woodworkers instructables site.
Phil B (author)  GrumpyOldGoat4 years ago
I scanned my manual and turned it into a PDF.  I would send it to you if you needed it. 

When I got my saw new, the motor tilt adjustment knob would not lock the motor in place.  I opened it up and found two nylon plugs had been installed backwards.  I turned each one around and everything has been fine ever since.  That is just a story.  There is no big point, but the manual was helpful in doing the job.
I failed to mention that the link I posted  was where I found a PDF of the manual.
Manuals are written by the engineers that designed them.
The manufacturers should follow up with a new manual that has USERS notes included on the best, easiest, safest manner to use their product.
Lumberjocks.com is like an online users manual for any woodworking question.  From how to sharpen a chisel to how to keep body parts in their original, attached, condition when working with power tools.
Phil B (author)  GrumpyOldGoat4 years ago
I appreciate the link to the Lumberjock website.  I have not been doing a lot of woodworking in more recent years, but the site is good to know about.
wilwrk4tls4 years ago
 Another option may be to make a base for the router that the router screws into.  I have a different radial arm saw but could probably do something similar- interesting project.

I have a project in the works using a router to make a pocket hole machine- another one I similarly wouldn't use terribly often and really don't need a dedicated machine for.
Phil B (author)  wilwrk4tls4 years ago
Please share your project when it is finished.  Thank you for commenting.
 Will do- I'm on the tail end of moving, so once I get more settled (AND get more done on the project : ) I will put that one up
Phil B (author)  wilwrk4tls4 years ago
I noticed you are in Hixson, Tennessee.  We lived in East Brainerd from '83 to '95.  Are you moving across town or to a new city?
Moved from Chattanooga to Hixson, so more of a new residence than changing cities.

I put up an Instructable on the pocket hole jig- I will include pictures of the real deal when I unearth it.  I can't paste a link for some reason, but it should come up with a search of pocket hole jig.


kissiltur4 years ago
I can't to step 10 for some reason - it links to the intro. That applies for the link from the intro page, and the "Next Step" link from step 9.

Weird.
Phil B (author)  kissiltur4 years ago
This 'ible has been getting multiple hits all of a sudden.  Try checking back when things calm down.  It might work better then.
Works now - now I know why it's called a pin router!
rimar20004 years ago
I like that radial arm saw increasingly, Phil. Seems a very useful and versatile tool. I suppose it must be expensive, I have not seen "personally" any similar. 

I'm feeling
desire to make one "poor man's" of these at home, now that I retire from work this 30/12. Maybe for 2011...

Your instructables are increasingly good.
Phil B (author)  rimar20004 years ago
Thank you, Osvaldo.  Radial arm saws are still available in the USA, but do not enjoy the popularity they had 30 years ago.  I think the electric miter boxes (miter saws) have taken their place, although they do not do as many things.  Today there are many radial arm saws in the USA collecting dust in people's garages.  With a little cleaning, loving care, and careful adjustment they would again be wonderfully useful and accurate woodworking machines.  In the USA we have an electronic classified advertising page called Craig's List.  (for example: http://seattle.craigslist.org [The name of the city changes for your place of residence.])  Many times a good radial arm saw can be found there (under "Tools") at a very fair and economical price.  A radial arm saw, even new, is not as expensive as a Shopsmith system, if you have seen those in person or on the Internet.  

Once AMT (American Machine and Tool) produced a kit for making a radial arm saw.  Another manufacturer had a radial arm saw attachment that used a common 7 1/4 inch electric handsaw.  Some radial arm saws were light duty home models.  But, a better radial arm saw designed to stand up to construction needs on the job site is the best choice. 

I do not know if radial arm saws are available in Argentina.  I was in Germany and they were not sold there ten years ago, although one German friend knew what they are. 

Enjoy your retirement.  I am hoping to retire in less than 3 years.  Some of my friends have retired already, but sometimes because their company could no longer continue to pay them.  Maybe when you retire you could become a distributor for radial arm saws in Argentina.
Here in Argentina the miter saws are named "sensitiva" (you can see http://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/sensitiva [today 1 U$S = $arg 3.81 ===> 1 $arg=0.262 U$S] ) But nobody could explain me why they are called so.

Besides not having seen in my life a radial arm saw, I have not seen an ad of it.

I'm bad for business, if I start distribute those saws in Argentina , sure I go broke and lose the house. If I start making bras, women begin to come without breasts...
The "sensitiva" name may be similar to the "sensitive" drill press, where the operator can feel the operation of the tool in the downward force.  See http://www.wisc-online.com/objects/MTL8502/MLT8502.htm
Thanks, grunthos, it seems that's how you say. But then, it is a fanciful name, because on that approach, all hand tools should be called sensitive.
I agree, it is a strange name.  I have seen the name in English and American books for over 100 years for drill presses, but I have not seen it for any other tool.  It does make you wonder how certain names get stuck like that. 
Phil B (author)  rimar20004 years ago
If you are such a powerful man that your entry into the women's lingerie business would alter their bodies forever, that power could surely be marketed for some profitable purpose.  The defense agencies of foreign governments will seek you out and pay you richly.

Most items sold on Craig's List are for local pick up by the buyer.  The sellers do not ship them to other places, as with eBay.com.  I did check the Craig's List today for Seattle (since I gave that as an example).  Someone is selling a Ryobi 10 inch radial arm saw for only $60 US!  You cannot buy a sensitiva (miter saw) for that in the US!
Really, that is a very good price!

If you can get the CIA to hire me, you will have 50% of my salary ...

That yes, I promise that I will not manufacture bras


Phil B (author)  rimar20004 years ago
If the CIA were concerned with citizens of the USA rather than people from outside the USA, they could be investigating me.  But, if I knew anyone with the CIA, I would certainly put in a good word for you.
Hi rimar, something you might be interested in is the Lindsay Publications. They have lots of very helpful and easy to read booklets on making your own tools. They have a series that starts with a small aluminum foundry, then on to a handmade metal lathe (that uses the foundry), then a milling machine (that uses the lathe) and on and on.

Read a few of these booklets and you'll be able to make your own radial arm saw if you have the time, aptitude and interest. Not sure if they have Spanish versions, but the pictures are the most valuable part.

They are far from "slick", basically pretty crude little books, but the information inside is great. www.lindsaybks.com/prod/index.html

Good luck
Thanks, gdufford, I will see that. I can read English pretty good. Google and other on line translators helps me very well.
gdufford4 years ago
Hey Phil, nice router jig! I'm certainly going to use this sometime. I've used my router lots of different ways, but never on the radial. Very cool.

Hopefully my radial arm saw has the same type of tapped holes. I'm going to look at it tonight to check.

The only thing I'd do differently is the part in step 4. I'd try to mount the jig to the round protruding part of the motor housing. It looks about the same diameter as the router clamping bit and could be made the same way. It would probably be a bit sturdier than the eyebolt.

I assume your "drawings" are done in SketchUp? Now that I finally know how to use it I'm loving it. Not always the most intuitive, but very fast to use once you get the knack of it. I designed the jig for my Cardboard Ball Chair (www.instructables.com/id/Cardboard-Ball-Chair/) using it.

Keep up the good work!
Phil B (author)  gdufford4 years ago
Your suggestion about clamping to the protruding part of the motor housing is a good one.  (That protruding part holds the blade guard.)  The eyebolt was quick, easy, and effective, too.

Yes, I did use Google Sketch-Up for a couple of the illustrations.  It looks like you doing well with it.  I could not even guess how you did some of your Sketch-Up drawings for the cardboard chair.  I sometimes do not know how to get everything I want in Sketch-Up, so I press the Prt-Scrn button and paste the image into MS Paint where I can erase a few pixels without losing an entire line or circle.  Then I save it as a JPEG file. 

If you do not have tapped holes under your motor, could you dismantle the motor to drill and tap a couple of holes in the motor housing?

A pin router sounded like an absolutely fabulous idea when I did this project.  I must admit I have seldom used it since the original project that made it necessary.

Thank you for your comment. 
gdufford Phil B4 years ago
You're right about the eyebolt being quick and easy. My approach would've added considerable time for sure. Usually a good sturdy jig is worth the time to create (even if you only use it 1 time), but there are always exceptions. My chair project started running so long I had to make some compromises where normally I'd setup a jig of some kind.

You know what made the difference for me with SketchUp? Watching the basic tutorial videos.

I do software for a living and rarely read manuals (RTFM?). SketchUp is actually easy to use, but not obvious. This is a subtle but very important distinction. I found that working with guidelines, grouping/making a component frequently and learning the alignment techniques made a world of difference. Path following is a little tricky at first, but VERY powerful. Spend a half-hour or so watching the tutorials and it'll be like night and day.
Phil B (author)  gdufford4 years ago
Thanks for the suggestion on the Sketch-Up tutorials.  When I first dabbled in Sketch-Up our Internet connection was not the greatest.  Now it is pretty snappy.  I have finally learned to reposition my drawing before making a rectangle or using push/pull rather than doing those things as she lays. 

I once read a book about the development of the US automobile.  Ransom E. Olds (Oldsmobile) was such a perfectionist that he would not allow the shop to have his engine drawings until everything was "perfect."  Finally, his partners waited until he fell asleep and then they stole his drawings so the shop could get the engines into production.  Your comment about taking too much time on parts of the chair project reminded me of the Olds story.
Looks awesome!
Phil B (author)  Lithium Rain4 years ago
Thank you for our comment and for featuring my Instructable.
Of course. Keep them coming! :D
Phil B (author)  Lithium Rain4 years ago
I have an Instructable ready to go except for a couple of old photos I want to scan from an album.  That album is in another city, but my wife will be going and returning from there in about two weeks.  I think that one will be well-received, too.  Thanks.
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