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Spot Weld Anything (Even Copper)!

Spot Weld Anything (Even Copper)!

There's hundreds of welding Instructables around, many of them quite good. I'm writing this one here to share a technique I've developed that works quite well, even on copper tabs (for which it was designed).

The theory is simple- I've got a handful of ultra-capacitors (2.5 Volts, 2600 Farads) wired in series, then discharged through the material. The devil is, as always, in the details.

Anyone who's tried will tell you copper is a pain to weld- for many of the same reasons you probably *want* to be using it in your project. It's got about five times the thermal conductivity of iron, which basically means you need to pump in a lot more heat to overcome heatsinking. When it comes to resistance welding (which is how spot welding works, unlike other electric welders, which use arcs), you've got even more pain coming- the conductivity is another 5 or 6 times higher. So your welder needs to output 5 times more current just to create the same amount of heat.

Put all this together, and it means you probably need a welder that's over 20 times more powerful than a typical steel spot welder.
 
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Step 1Bill of Materials

Bill of Materials
I'll hardly claim that I've got the best setup here- but it does work, so this is probably a good place to start. To replicate my setup, you'll need:

* 4 ultra capacitors.
-I used Maxwell "Boostcap"'s, rated for 2.5V at 2600F. I believe mine are surplus from electric buses regenerative braking systems. I got mine for about $10 each from the Electronics Goldmine (http://www.goldmine-elec.com/), but it seems they're sold out at the moment. You can find them on eBay, too. Make sure they're rated to have low series resistance (in other words, they should be able to provide a lot of current- mine should do 600 amps).

* 3 lengths of heavy gauge wire, with suitable ring terminals on each end. I used scrap I had around- I think it's about 6 gauge, roughly 2 feet long. Each is a different color in my setup.

* thick copper tubing, about 3/8" ID, 1/2" OD. You need two pieces, each about 3 inches long.

* a graphite block(s), enough to yield two pieces about 0.5"x0.5"x3.0"

* two big hunks of copper. I used a 1/2" plate roughly 5"x5", and a cube about 3" to a side. It's not critical.

* Some sort of DC power supply- I used a standard benchtop variable DC supply. It's limited to 3 amps, so charging takes a long time. You could do much better.

* Some means of clamping your electrodes: I used some G-10 fiberglass stock (not the best choice, but fairly temperature resistant and non-conductive), with holes drilled for the electrodes, and a rudimentary hinge. Again, you could do better than my quick-and-dirty solution.
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Jan 2, 2012. 10:09 AMdsandds2003 says:
Most of thes welders i have seen use a 12 volt power supply. They also a kick box capacator 1,2 or 3f @ 12 volts. They also use a triac to charge the capaciator for a slpit second.
Just some added thoughts for this idea.
I am planning on building one myself soon. Beem trying to fing a resonable priced capaciator for the project as the 1f caps are NOT cheep. Had thought of trying some older computer caps, but rather use 1 cap.
This is a great idea as i could use one for some of the repair work i get.
The tips are another problem finding, Have seen some use thick copper ground to a point. Still working on some other items to use instead.
Keep up the great work and keep us posted on your progress!!
Nov 15, 2011. 12:03 AMstatic says:
Personally I would have start using only one capacitor,adding additional capacitors in parallel until the desired results where achieved. Reiterating a comment by another by wiring the capacitors in series you have reduced the total amount of capacitance available, I agree with bobrigewitch's math. Capacitors block DC, so there is no current flowing through your series connected capacitors. While you should see the supply voltage across the capacitor bank, you would see a voltage drop across the individual capacitors. With those capacitors in parallel they wail contain  10400 joules of energy when charged. When connected in series they will contain 2031.25 Joules, both figure calculated ar 2.5 volts. The parallel bank will deliver 2031wats over 1 second, the series configuration 30 watts. Placing trust in available on line calculators.
Nov 11, 2011. 8:25 PMklixtopher says:
Nice 'Ible. Really like the use of graphite. One note of correction though. You mention that there not enough voltage to injure. That statement is simply not correct. It's not voltage that kills but amperage. There's enough power in a AA battery to kill you, but due to factors of resistance etc. you can handle them safely. Stun guns and Tazers operate off of simple household batteries and deliver extremely high voltages without (necessarily) being lethal - due mostly to the amperage being so low. While increasing voltage usually means more dangerous, it's really the amperage that'll get you in the end. Thanks again for the 'Ible.
Nov 14, 2011. 7:28 PMstatic says:
In context of this project, "the voltages you're dealing with here are not enough to hurt you via electrocution" is correct, and personally I wouldn't have brought it up. Respectfully I'm finding variations of "it's the current that kills, not voltage remarks to instructables rather tedious by now. Generally the statements appear to be mindless parroting of something another that "sounds official", however you seem to have a clue as to what will lead to a hazardous condition.
Nov 15, 2011. 12:04 AMklixtopher says:
I wasn't trying to say that your project necessarily posed a threat, just that your rationale for why it didn't was flawed. It's clear you have a good grasp of what's going on. I just didn't want others to think that low voltage = no danger. Cheers.
Nov 12, 2011. 8:48 PMonlylooklikepackrat says:
Do you think such an apparatus could spot weld wires/contacts to a NiMH battery? How would you set it up?
I was simply going to solder wires to replacement cells for a cordless drill but the battery vendor scolded me, saying the heat would hurt the cell chemistry. He said they'd rebuild my pack using spot welds. I learned later that this repair would set me back twice what the whole drill kit was worth.
Nov 13, 2011. 4:26 PMonlylooklikepackrat says:
Do you think set-up would be one electrode clamped to the battery on the pole of interest and the other arranged to squeeze the tab to the battery during the actual weld?
If so, the negative end shouldn't be too tough but the positive will take a bit of thinking.
Nov 13, 2011. 4:40 PMonlylooklikepackrat says:
Just took a look...we're not the first to do this stuff. The following link is an interesting practical explanation from a company that makes welders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGTGIlT6JvM&feature=related
Based on this and the other links I surveyed, your machine adaptation is less hard than I thought it might be.
Nov 12, 2011. 7:39 AMJosehf Murchison says:
Have you tried the core of batteries or electric motor brushes for your contact ends?
Nov 11, 2011. 1:52 PMskrubol says:
You could run Zeiner's in parallel with each cap to limit the voltage across them. Picking the right value to successfully protect the cap without limiting your voltage too much would take some math though.
Nov 10, 2011. 9:52 AMevangill says:
Why did you choose to wire the caps in series?
Nov 10, 2011. 7:47 PMnoobiemcfoob says:
I had the same question. I don't know much about welding, but wouldn't having the caps in parallel allow for better release of current? Also, wouldn't this solve the issue of potentially overcharging the caps you talk about later?

My only thought is that you need a higher voltage than 2.5 V for some reason...
Nov 11, 2011. 1:43 PMskrubol says:
You need somewhere around 1-3 volts in the workpiece, but due to resistance of the leads and the ESR of the caps, you need a lot more voltage coming from the power source.
Nov 10, 2011. 2:42 PMthrobscottle says:
Cool project. Could you please translate "mils" into metric please :-)
Nov 10, 2011. 11:34 PMkarlpinturr says:
As far as I'm aware, 'mils' is metric - just short for millimeters (or 'a lazy way of saying' that, as Waste Of Space posted 17 minutes after you).

However, that would suggest that HarnessedDevilry is claiming to be able to spot-weld 2 *1-inch-thick pieces of a metal that "has about five times the thermal conductivity of iron" AND "5 or 6 times" the electrical conductivity!

My limited (ie. practically non-existent) knowledge suggests this is not likely, so I plugged '25 {mils}' into Waste Of Space's first formula, above, and got a thickness of 0.635 millimeter(s)...
Nov 10, 2011. 10:28 PMbobrigewitch says:
Very cool concept. I'm glad to hear it works good. Although I am also curious as to why the caps are in series. Capacitors in series effectively increases the plate distance, therefore decreasing capacitance. (same rules as resistors in parallel) so your actually only getting 650F. And paralleling them would give you your expected 10,400F, capable of handling more amperage (the heat generating portion) AND make charging easier. If their 2.5V, supply 2.5V to them and you can never overcharge them (a cheap analog voltmeter might be a good idea to monitor voltage). Other than that great idea and proof of concept :).
Nov 10, 2011. 10:27 PMthewmas says:
I have some gouging rods that I got from a friend, I would think that woud work as well. Give me feed back if you think so
Nov 10, 2011. 7:36 PMkmpres says:
You're going to have to forgive my ignorance. Just what, exactly, is a "gouging rod", and how is it used?
Nov 11, 2011. 10:35 PMthewmas says:
http://www.engineersedge.com/materials/graphite_gouging_rods.htm

you might have to copy/paste, or just google gouging rod uses
Nov 10, 2011. 8:30 PMkmpres says:
Needs refinement, but nice proof of concept. I like the ultra cap idea, thanks for the source information. They're safer and less toxic than using lead-acid car batteries and cannot fail catastrophically (explode) if accidentally overcharged. They will, however, degrade to an open circuit depending on the extent and duration of the overcharge. The zener diode idea of wa7jos is good as well, as is his suggestion to use it to stop the charge current entirely when the max voltage is reached. That will require a cut-off circuit of some kind, like a relay on the power supply's mains line, to work effectively. If done correctly that could work as a safety fuse allowing you to adjust your regulated power supply to any lower voltage you desire without risking an accidental overcharge. And your MOSFET / 555 variable one-shot switch idea is very good. Far better than the hot-rock-copper-brick approach (got a good laugh out of that one!). Now that we know the concept works, can we see a final product soon?
Nov 10, 2011. 7:01 PMlperkins says:
The best thing to do would probably be to set up a switch system to let you charge them in parallel and discharge them in series. A spark-gap setup might work for that, but you'd have to try it.
Nov 11, 2011. 2:22 AMlperkins says:
Spark gaps would definitely work better for high voltages than high currents since you need enough volts to bridge the gaps. If you could find a dielectric to go between them that lost most of its resistance once current started flowing and regained it once it stopped that might work though.

To make a switched version you'll probably need to make your own switches. You want the contacts to have a large surface area, and grease them with a good, conductive grease to help prevent them from trying to weld themselves together.

You could, of course, simply modify your current connection bars to be easily removable for the discharge half of the switch. The charge half could be standard 20A switches since I'm sure you can keep your charging current under that.

There is another project running around building a spot welder out of a microwave transformer. If you have one of those lying around you might be able to tune it to output the voltage you want, and I'm sure it could probably handle the charging current.

Nov 10, 2011. 6:58 PMlperkins says:
It's not volts that cause electrocution. It's amps. Unless you have a pacemaker or a weak heart, of course. It only takes .1 amps across the chest to stop your heart if you're unlucky.
Nov 10, 2011. 3:07 PMleven says:
But as ohms law clearly states you will need volts to get amps. and as a typical human body has many thousands of ohms of resistance voltages in this range is unable to drive any current trough you, unless maybe if you come directly from a bath of salt water..
Nov 3, 2011. 7:20 AMruss_hensel says:
Any hints on where to get *graphite blocks.
Nov 10, 2011. 6:53 PMlperkins says:
"Heavy Duty" batteries (not alkaline) use carbon rods as their centre electrode. Wear gloves for disassembly and clean them thoroughly.
Nov 10, 2011. 10:54 AMwilkinde says:
Graphite rubbing blocks are used a blade guides on bandsaws - you can usually fing them near the replacement bandsaw blades
Nov 10, 2011. 10:54 PMjack8559 says:
Electric starter motor (DC) brushes are carbon blocks and I have seen carbon brushes in some electric hand drills too.....
Nov 10, 2011. 2:55 PMzer0vector says:
You might want to look into "carbon arc electrodes". You can get 50 in a box and they're already cylinders.
Nov 10, 2011. 6:26 PMrkrishnan7 says:
For those who may not have access to a power resistor to safe-discharge the caps slowly, I'd suggest using a soldering iron as a bleeder load. May take a little time, but will do the job gently. Higher the wattge of the iron, quicker the discharge. (You could easily calculate the discharge time knowing the RC time constant, the 'R' of the iron being dependent on it's wattage) I recall working on a old IBM 3203 line printer back in the 80's which housed a huge bank of caps delivering a lot of amps, and at 60V, and the power on sequence failed because of the residual voltage not being bled off - got it working by dropping the voltage by discharging thru a soldering iron!
Nov 10, 2011. 8:20 AMSteelsmith1 says:
very interesting, BUT this is an Instructable, and the electronically challenged like myself need some instruction on the over volting. I understand I can over volt, but how to I NOT over volt? As a person who has taught compex things to beginners and skilled people, understand that instruction should be clear to the untrained as well as trained. But a great idea, and as a metalworker I will try this.
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