Turning an Instructables apron into an Indestructible apron: Water-proof, flame resistant and easy-clean. Could be it turns a knife too!

Ever wonder why some canvas, like the stuff that a Carhart jacket is made of, is so much tougher than, say, a drop cloth?  The secret is 'tincloth,' invented in some year by some guy --probably an American-- who needed something tougher than canvas or denim-- tough enough for fighting dragosaurs with a claw hammer on horseback across the Great Plains. Tincloth is that kind of tough stuff.

To demonstrate the wonder of tincloth I took a shower in my clothes and tried to set myself on fire.  Allow me to explain...




 
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Step 1: A simple recipe

Tincloth is made by coating canvas in oils that dry and harden, namely beeswax and boiled linseed oil. To demonstrate this simple process I will be coating my Instructables apron. The reason I made gallons of the tincloth mixture is that I am also coating a 20'X24' canvas tent that I sewed for winter camping. I only used about a cup and a half for the apron.

Equal parts:
beeswax (I used toilet gasket rings for this. Done dirt cheap.)
boiled linseed oil

(Optionally you can add turpentine. I saw it referenced in a few places while I was doing my research. I opted against using it since it seemed to increase drying time.)

Melt and mix the beeswax and the linseed oil.  It doesn't have to reach a certain temp, just hot enough to ensure complete combination.


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jnunz says: Apr 22, 2013. 3:14 PM
ticks are attracted to the chemical compounds of lynseed and beeswax attracts ants...... if you plan to coat the roof, plan to keep the temp down, inside and out..... thermal radiation tends to raise the viscosity of a wax based element. you could have saved yourself 20 bucks with a can of starch bro......
lance20180 says: Apr 21, 2013. 7:19 AM
Love the idea. Only problem I see: "Wax rings are made from a combination of petrolatum and proprietary ingredients that vary among manufacturers." They have not been made from bee's wax for years.
lindarose92 says: Apr 20, 2013. 2:09 AM
You are a finalist in the Indestructables contest DDC! Congratulations!!! :D
sabu.dawdy says: Apr 16, 2013. 8:51 AM
a really very good ~ible
donedirtcheap (author) in reply to sabu.dawdyApr 16, 2013. 9:32 AM
Thank you! I wish I knew why, then I could make very good ones every time.
sabu.dawdy in reply to donedirtcheapApr 18, 2013. 12:03 AM
it is unique.. this is the actual reason why i liked your ~ible
Titanica-art says: Mar 5, 2013. 1:42 AM
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valkgurl in reply to Titanica-artApr 15, 2013. 10:36 PM
The "tin cloth" I have scored has a "different" feeling to it--sort of a cross between wax paper and canvas. Don't know what the DIY one would feel like--depends on the base cloth I would think.

Has anyone used this formula to RE-COAT any sort of Barbour type item? I just scored two jackets--one Thorndale (some say better-n-Barbour!) and a KAKADU of Australia that some dude on ebay had no clue how to list etc. Now these are slightly used and one is much too small for anyone here but the Thorndale--just might become a new biking jacket. But I wonder if re-coating it would be a good thing? I think Barbour sells a re-coating kit but if I remember right it was--not cheap.

And these altho not at all "smelly" don't at all smell like the AMAZING Barbour "Crayola" scent. That I LOVED.

OH--BTW---asked about those US toilet rings ---since sometimes it does pay to be married to a Big Box That Is Not Orange store manager---and he assures me that they are INDEED MADE OUT OF BEESWAX. Since just the other day I saw a chunk of beeswax at the "Health Food Store" for a whopping $18 this is good to know! In CANADA he sez they use silicone or something.
donedirtcheap (author) in reply to valkgurlApr 16, 2013. 9:39 AM
Ebay score! Congratulations.
I love that smell too.
Thank you for the confirmation about the beeswax. I hope that this is the case, if only so that my local hardware store people can restore their record of 100% accuracy.
valkgurl in reply to donedirtcheapApr 16, 2013. 4:14 PM
Ebay score would be better if the coat fit hubs but---oh well will make a savings jar for his International Dreams! Suspect that this was labeled an XL for a British guy not an American Biker Guy XL. It--fits--sorta--but the sleeves are too long and the middle is snug. Hubs is not overweight but built differently than the Brit co's cut for I suspect from what we have had him try on. Off to list back on ebay with REAL title and REAL pics!!! LOL!!!

Local hardware guys are very knowledgeable--if you don't get the "New Kid" in Sept after the "Old Kid" goes off to college! My hubs sells these rings so----.

I should just go and buy myself a box of Crayola and sniff. Altho the "Re-dressing" for the KAKADU was only $12 Aus I did NOT however ask about the SHIPPING on that!
donedirtcheap (author) in reply to valkgurlApr 16, 2013. 6:15 PM
I'm long in the arm and slim in the middle. Send me a pic and maybe we can avoid the eBay commission, I get a deal an you make a profit.
valkgurl in reply to donedirtcheapApr 16, 2013. 8:07 PM
Works for me! How or where do I send you a pic?
Titanica-art says: Mar 4, 2013. 4:43 AM
Hi! I can't seem to reply to your comment, but here's the reply:

Here's a photo of a typical viking tent: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DpdHJmOomB0/UAw_vNlhxkI/AAAAAAAACh4/SVZRGc53hrk/s1600/Viking+kollasj+2.jpg
They were probably originally made of wool or linen (from the flax plant). Now they make them mostly in linen fabric, because that's cheaper. The frame of the tent is quite simple, but the top "logs" are often decorated by beautiful carvings, often with dragon/snake heads. We have a local viking organization, called Agder Vikinglag, and every year there is a viking market about 8 km from where we live. I've heard that there are quite many people with Norwegian ancestors in certain part of the USA. I guess it's because of the great emigration in the 1800. About 800 000 Norwegians went oversea to USA.
donedirtcheap (author) in reply to Titanica-artMar 4, 2013. 8:25 AM
Thank you thank you. Holy Valhalla! Must....make! Can you imagine samkvem in a tent like that with furs and leather and lamplight? Zow!
Titanica-art in reply to donedirtcheapApr 16, 2013. 8:03 AM
And with some mead in your drinking horn while playing Hnefatafl... ;)
Sounds fantastic, if you ask me :)
TheLastUnicorn says: Apr 12, 2013. 6:04 PM
Can this same formula be used on other fabrics / materials like for example the lite-weight taffeta that most tents are made of now ?
RaptorWing says: Apr 12, 2013. 5:44 PM
I'm no plumber, but I've installed/re-installed my fair share of toilets. Those beeswax gaskets are much softer than straight beeswax. They're probably already cut with some kind of oil... I wonder what kind, and what your true proportions of oil/wax were? And I wonder if my leftover 'wood finish' would stop the leak in my kitchen sink disposal???
LynxSys says: Mar 23, 2013. 12:38 PM
Regarding the mix ratios: does anyone have any experience with how far in either direction one can skew it without hurting the final product's waterproof properties? I see that Marxmellow has suggested a 10:5:1 ratio for oil, wax, and turpentine (by volume), but I'd be really interested to hear if anyone has done some experimental comparisons and figured out (for instance) the ideal formulation to keep things supple.

Marxmellow, how did you do your volume measurements? Did you melt the wax first? I'm really hoping that you got all Archimedes and submerged your wax in water to determine its displacement...

Also, has anyone tried this on fabrics besides cotton, or different types of weave? I'm guessing that this process would result in one very uncomfortable cotton T-shirt, but I still wonder if it would work on tighter weaves, higher threadcounts, synthetics, ugly wool sweaters, etc.

I ask because I have an insulated Carhartt coverall that's great for working outside in sub-zero temperatures, but isn't very water-repellent. It's outer is made of "1000-denier Cordura, water-repellent nylon", according to Carhartt. I'd considered spraying it with some sort of commercial waterproofing spray, but this DIY technique might be just the trick, assuming that the formulation won't degrade the nylon over time or something...
RaptorWing in reply to LynxSysApr 12, 2013. 5:30 PM
It can go pretty heavy in the direction of the oil. On one beekeeping site, the recommended ratio for using to coat a wooden beehive for weather protection is 20 parts of the linseed oil to one part beeswax. I had read on another woodworking site to use a 5:1 ratio oil:wax. On the bunkbed I just finished building (but haven't started the instructable for yet) I used approximately 16:1 Easy to measure a cup of oil, and eyeball a Tablespoon of Beeswax. This stayed liquid (brushable) for quite some time when applying to wood, and even after it cooled, it was easy to apply to the wood with a cotton rag... like warm butter. Now that it's been aging in a sealed container for about 2 weeks, it's liquid again. huh.

the 1:5 ratio (no turpentine) I mixed before for another project was more like applying shoe polish.

I'm sure the water resistance is similar, but there's no way I'm taking a propane torch to my boys' new bunkbed just yet... I just finished yesterday and their room isn't even ready for it yet.
ssokolow says: Mar 3, 2013. 10:29 PM
I assume, from the comments, "boiled linseed oil" is the same thing as "double-boiled/treated linseed oil". (As in, heated in a "double boiler", not "boiled twice")

Does it have to be the hard-to-find pure stuff (usually sold as "heat-treated/polymerized/stand") or will the common, fake stuff made of raw linseed oil, petroleum solvents, and metallic drying accelerants do?

This site actually says to use raw linseed oil and provides instructions similar to this instructable. (This thread may also be relevant)

Also, am I correct in concluding from those links that the linseed is just to provide a compromise between water-resistance and stiffness? (Thinning out the beeswax to lower stiffness while replacing it with something that, while not as good at repelling water, does the job without being stiff)

...and I'm actually kind of curious why this stuff doesn't burst into flame since beeswax+cotton wick is the recipe for a candle and linseed oil-soaked rags pose an auto-ignition risk according to Wikipedia.

Finally, does anyone know if either kind of "boiled linseed oil" (fake or genuine) has a shelf life and how to test if it's still usable? We have a bottle that has been sitting in the laundry room alongside some paint cans and other such stuff since we moved into this house over 15 years ago.
oking in reply to ssokolowApr 11, 2013. 9:30 PM
Linseed (flax) oil is a drying oil. The linseed oil is boiled to make it a better drying oil. Modern "boiled" linseed oil often is not boiled at all an in fact has an artificial drying agent added.

I used raw flax (linseed) for this very (the fact that it is drying oil) purpose on my cast iron frying pans and I have yet to see one of them burst into flames from using such oil.

So while the mixture sounds like a recipe for a fire tinder the fact that is calls for boiled linseed oil makes it less of a fire hazard once it's dry. Thus I believe that the author of this instructable is 'spot on' with the fire retardant properties that he had observed.

Now I will say that this may work just as well with tung oil because it too is a drying oil.

The reason that wet linseed oil covered rags are a combustion hazard is because part of the drying process is oxidization. When allowed to dry as described by the original author I see no auto combustion hazard unless you wish to make a stack of these while making them instead of hanging them up to dry.
donedirtcheap (author) in reply to okingApr 12, 2013. 7:28 AM
Cheers, oking. I am surprised at how much debate tincloth has raised. I want to try it with tung oil. A good tip from a knowledgeable Instructableer.
DDC
donedirtcheap (author) in reply to ssokolowMar 4, 2013. 7:16 AM
I just bought whatever I could find cheap. I'm sure there is a better way to do my i'ble but I am FRUGAL, like sick-cheap. The Instructible community, in response to this i'ble, has already done about 100x the research that I did to make it.
Let us know how it goes for you. Let's refine the process together.
ssokolow in reply to donedirtcheapMar 5, 2013. 6:50 AM
I'm really cheap (I'm currently researching how to build an Arduino-like starting point for USB devices for as close to $1 as possible) but I'm also really risk-averse when it comes to my health. Hence my caution about flammable things and chemicals which might off-gas.
donedirtcheap (author) in reply to ssokolowMar 5, 2013. 7:30 AM
I hear you. We have the cheap thing in common. Isn't there a deep joy in finding a less-expensive solution? I love it. And is anything better than finding a cheap solution that is actually BETTER than the previous one?
I figure that my bodily health is only here for a little while so I may as well use it up while it's strong. It will go away whether I risk it or not. Then I'll die and that'll be fine too. Yippie ki-yay.
Maybe you could teach me something about Arduino. I know nothing.
Cheers, friend.
ssokolow in reply to donedirtcheapMar 6, 2013. 5:15 AM
Most of my experience is on the programming side of things but, once I've got a completed project in my hand, I'll definitely document the building of a second one and put up an Instructable.

Half of my components got held up because some of the items in the order were out of stock.

(I'm experienced in various programming languages but the last time I seriously did much with electronics was when my age was measured in single digits. It was only recently that I re-evaluated my old view that things other than software could be affordable enough to buy just to putter around with.)
Yardster says: Apr 10, 2013. 12:16 PM
Taking beeswax doesn't hurt the bees. They make more honey than they need for winter and the honey comb cappings from extraction are well used for this. Also, they need their comb replaced occasionally, retiring a frame after about 5 years, which is also melted down and used otherwise.
Yardster says: Apr 10, 2013. 12:13 PM
Taking beeswax doesn't hurt the bees. They make more honey than they need for winter and the honey comb cappings from extraction are well used for this. Also, they need their comb replaced occasionally, retiring a frame after about 5 years, which is also melted down and used otherwise.
Yardster says: Apr 9, 2013. 10:22 AM
Sorry, I'm trying to add my comment at the end.
I am a beekeeper, so I have access to lots of bees wax.
I need something like a rubber apron for safety while I mix acids. Do you think this cloth would be acid proof?
Yardster says: Apr 9, 2013. 10:20 AM
I am a beekeeper.
I need something like a rubber apron for safety while I mix acids. Do you think this cloth would be acid proof?
Yardster says: Apr 9, 2013. 10:19 AM
I need something like a rubber apron for safety while I mix acids. Do you think this cloth would be acid proof?
DIY-Guy says: Apr 1, 2013. 3:38 PM
There was way-back-when a DIY method of fireproofing with a borax solution soaked into cotton cloth. I wonder if a mix of these two methods has been tried by anyone?
shazni says: Mar 6, 2013. 6:07 PM
Thanks! definitely going to try this to prevent accidental wet beds
( toddlers in training :-) )
for that alone you deserve a vote ;-D
donedirtcheap (author) in reply to shazniMar 29, 2013. 9:19 PM
Thank you. My 5 year old is wetting the bed right now and I hadn't even considered coating her mattress. What a fin idea!
Good luck!
I love this gorgeous lamp, BTW: http://www.instructables.com/id/Lotus-Pendant-Lamp-Bent-wood/
:)
DDC
shazni in reply to donedirtcheapMar 30, 2013. 9:35 PM
Thanks!...and you know what?? I found an easier way than that to do it...no boiling and baking...imagine that! trying to find time to post an instructable soon...but I'm finding it very difficult to find time...It's exam time here and in Sri Lanka...when kids have exams...it's like the mom's having exams!....I keep thinking our parents had it easy with us! :-)
marxmellow says: Mar 3, 2013. 10:46 PM
allright y'all here you go. The perfect recipe. 1 cup beeswax (go to where they sell honey - they have wax too, and if not buy candles. Beeswax smells and works better than paraffin. 2 cups raw linseed oil - it is a furniture refinishing produce, get it at the hardware store. Finally one good shot (50mil) of mineral turpentine - you need it, trust me. It thins it out to get it to soak in so you dont have to do it all when hot.
Use a double boiler type thing to melt the wax; add the linseed oil. Just heat it enough for it to mix. Then add the turps. mix well and then use or keep for later. It looks like margarine if you keep it. Once you have it applied (with a paint brush or cloth) then either put it in the sun or heat it with a blow drier (rub with a saturated cloth too to get it in good.) In a week it will stop with the smell and not be so transferrable to anything else. I have used it on lots of things and it is great. Try it on old kit bags or backpacks and you'll love it. I have a pair of overalls i use to process my deer skins and i brushed it on them heavy in the front. The yuckies just dont soak in. Good stuff.
donedirtcheap (author) in reply to marxmellowMar 29, 2013. 9:20 PM
Your recipe sounds better than mine. Turpentine is the thinning agent... ah ha! Very good.
cool2000 in reply to marxmellowMar 6, 2013. 3:10 PM
How do you measure the bees wax? I only can find the honey comb stuff and that is dificult to tel if you have air pockets or not in the measuring cup
tmack0 in reply to marxmellowMar 5, 2013. 2:43 PM
With Turpentine added I would wait a while before flame testing it....
donedirtcheap (author) in reply to marxmellowMar 4, 2013. 7:18 AM
Very good. Hey everyone, try Marxmellow's recipe. It sounds vetted.
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