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  • mnpazan commented on PeterP_DIY's instructable Modern Stainless Steel Home Numbers DIY1 month ago
    Modern Stainless Steel Home Numbers DIY

    Mailbox letters are often too tiny to read from a moving car. Or the mailbox itself may blend into it's surroundings enough that one doesn't spot it early enough to see the numbers even if the numbers on it are good. Not saying that's the case with yours (I obviously can't know), I'm just cautioning against taking it for granted that any of your numbers are visible unless you've made sure. I met no end of of people back in the day who totally believed their numbers were visible because they had a mental image of them from their own POV, but the truth was they'd never actually gone out and made sure, so they weren't.The best (and easiest) is simply keeping the painted curb numbers maintained. If those are legible, your delivery guy will always be happy, no matter what your other numbers ...see more »Mailbox letters are often too tiny to read from a moving car. Or the mailbox itself may blend into it's surroundings enough that one doesn't spot it early enough to see the numbers even if the numbers on it are good. Not saying that's the case with yours (I obviously can't know), I'm just cautioning against taking it for granted that any of your numbers are visible unless you've made sure. I met no end of of people back in the day who totally believed their numbers were visible because they had a mental image of them from their own POV, but the truth was they'd never actually gone out and made sure, so they weren't.The best (and easiest) is simply keeping the painted curb numbers maintained. If those are legible, your delivery guy will always be happy, no matter what your other numbers look like. That's the "everybody wins" easy button.

    Well, first off, you're not "constantly seeing this same copy and paste", because I've only posted it on one other 'ible. So good job trying to use hyperbole on the one guy who's guaranteed to know exactly how much you're fudging.As to the rest, I'm just trying to give a heads up. I have no power over what other people do, not do I claim to. Nor did I ever say that people flat out shouldn't do this. I'm just trying to put out some caveats that I know from experience lots of people don't think about. If you think that counts as trying to stop people from doing whatever, well that seems like a similar sort of thing to that "criticism is censorship" weirdness one sometimes sees. It's not a rant, but in this day and age where anything more than two sentences seems to br...see more »Well, first off, you're not "constantly seeing this same copy and paste", because I've only posted it on one other 'ible. So good job trying to use hyperbole on the one guy who's guaranteed to know exactly how much you're fudging.As to the rest, I'm just trying to give a heads up. I have no power over what other people do, not do I claim to. Nor did I ever say that people flat out shouldn't do this. I'm just trying to put out some caveats that I know from experience lots of people don't think about. If you think that counts as trying to stop people from doing whatever, well that seems like a similar sort of thing to that "criticism is censorship" weirdness one sometimes sees. It's not a rant, but in this day and age where anything more than two sentences seems to bring out the "TL:DR" brigade, plus my desire to not come across as one of those "doesn't know the difference between being honest and being tactless" jerks, I felt some kind of disclaimer up front was appropriate. But I guess there's no real point in that sort of nicety if people don't read the rest anyway, eh?BTW, I addressed the bit about street numbers being less relevant today, so yeah, I know you didn't actually read what you're replying to. You just saw something that looked long and vaguely critical, and fired away. But thanks for the effort anyway, I guess?And yes, you will always get your package or your pizza in the end. It's not to do with you missing the delivery, it's to do with the driver losing precious time off his or her route having to drive up and down the same street 4 times before they're able to find you. To you it's an extra few minutes you'll probably never know about, but to the driver it's a cumulative effect that can result in the last guy in the run getting his pizza late. GPS undoubtedly makes it a lot less common these days, but I guarantee it still happens, because even today GPS systems will sometimes point me to the wrong house or building, or sometimes even complex. Bad GPS directions are common enough to be a comedy cliche, so I know it's happened to you too, regardless of how fervently you might wish otherwise for the sake of argument.

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  • mnpazan commented on PeterP_DIY's instructable Modern Stainless Steel Home Numbers DIY3 months ago
    Modern Stainless Steel Home Numbers DIY

    I left this comment on the 'ible this is based on as well. Sorry for the cut and paste, but it's something that really has to be put out there for projects like these.Okay, this will seem like a buzzkill and a rant, but please, please, please hear me out.As a former delivery driver (way back in the late 90's, but still), I have to point out that although these look cool in abstract, they run a HUGE risk of being aggressively anti-functional as actual house numbers.House numbers aren't house jewelry. They're more like house licences plates. They need to be clear and contrasty in order to do their actual job, otherwise they might as well not be there at all. The bane of every delivery driver is "that guy" who thinks it's cool to have black numbers on a dark brown plank, or numbe...see more »I left this comment on the 'ible this is based on as well. Sorry for the cut and paste, but it's something that really has to be put out there for projects like these.Okay, this will seem like a buzzkill and a rant, but please, please, please hear me out.As a former delivery driver (way back in the late 90's, but still), I have to point out that although these look cool in abstract, they run a HUGE risk of being aggressively anti-functional as actual house numbers.House numbers aren't house jewelry. They're more like house licences plates. They need to be clear and contrasty in order to do their actual job, otherwise they might as well not be there at all. The bane of every delivery driver is "that guy" who thinks it's cool to have black numbers on a dark brown plank, or numbers recessed way back in the shadow of the eaves. Depending on your neighborhood, up to 2/3 of your neighbors are already That Guy (meaning the driver may have a hard time even triangulating using the surrounding house numbers). Please don't be That Guy.I've seen sooooooooooooooooo many attempts to turn house numbers into house jewelry that look "pretty", but completely destroy the functionality of the numbers. From things like carved wood numbers tacked to a tree branch, to glass mosaics that from the road are halfway to looking like a color-blindness test card. Lighting plays a big part too: two common things I'd see are sconces that light up the wall above the number while putting the number itself directly in the sconce baseplate's shadow, and backlit numbers that become unreadable from an angle because the thickness of the numbers occludes the lighting on their opposite edges.These numbers are halfway there already. The screws cast a dappled shadow that confuses the edges of the numbers, making them less readable. This is exacerbated by the fact that the face are made of dots (screw heads) instead of solid shapes, so they're going to dither into their own shadows. And the screw heads read as neutral grey, making contrast difficult. Remember: a driver will, under [i]best[/i] conditions, be looking for your numbers in quick distracted glances at a distance while moving.This is less of a deal these days now that GPS navigation is common, but it can still be a problem if the GPS map is inaccurate (we've all had the experience of being pointed to the wrong building, I'm sure).If you want to use this sort of method to make house jewelry, rock out. But I strongly advise using it for decorative designs instead of for the house numbers. If you must use it for house numbers, make sure you pay very close attention to your choice of colors, font, and location to ensure the sign is still highly readable. Not readable if you already know what you're looking for and are standing calmly halfway up the walk in midday light. Not readable in an up-close beauty photo. Readable from the road, at dusk (or night), in half-second glances while driving, past unfamiliar houses on an unfamiliar street, where you have no idea what to expect.Unfortunately some of the examples shown (and unfortunately in several of the examples done by commenters below) is exactly what you NEVER want to do: ultra low-contrast. These people have camouflaged their numbers, ensuring that every delivery driver that arrives at their door does so cursing them. It's defiantly arty, but it wrecks the functionality of the numbers so hard that it's potentially worse than not having numbers at all.

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  • mnpazan commented on brydanger's instructable Modern Industrial House Numbers3 months ago
    Modern Industrial House Numbers

    Okay, this will seem like a buzzkill and a rant, but please, please, please hear me out.As a former delivery driver (way back in the late 90's, but still), I have to point out that although these look cool in abstract, they run a HUGE risk of being aggressively anti-functional as actual house numbers.House numbers aren't house jewelry. They're more like house licences plates. They need to be clear and contrasty in order to do their actual job, otherwise they might as well not be there at all. The bane of every delivery driver is "that guy" who thinks it's cool to have black numbers on a dark brown plank, or numbers recessed way back in the shadow of the eaves. Depending on your neighborhood, up to 2/3 of your neighbors are already That Guy (meaning the driver may have a hard t...see more »Okay, this will seem like a buzzkill and a rant, but please, please, please hear me out.As a former delivery driver (way back in the late 90's, but still), I have to point out that although these look cool in abstract, they run a HUGE risk of being aggressively anti-functional as actual house numbers.House numbers aren't house jewelry. They're more like house licences plates. They need to be clear and contrasty in order to do their actual job, otherwise they might as well not be there at all. The bane of every delivery driver is "that guy" who thinks it's cool to have black numbers on a dark brown plank, or numbers recessed way back in the shadow of the eaves. Depending on your neighborhood, up to 2/3 of your neighbors are already That Guy (meaning the driver may have a hard time even triangulating using the surrounding house numbers). Please don't be That Guy.I've seen sooooooooooooooooo many attempts to turn house numbers into house jewelry that look "pretty", but completely destroy the functionality of the numbers. From things like carved wood numbers tacked to a tree branch, to glass mosaics that from the road are halfway to looking like a color-blindness test card. Lighting plays a big part too: two common things I'd see are sconces that light up the wall above the number while putting the number itself directly in the sconce baseplate's shadow, and backlit numbers that become unreadable from an angle because the thickness of the numbers occludes the lighting on their opposite edges.These numbers are halfway there already. The screws cast a dappled shadow that confuses the edges of the numbers, making them less readable. This is exacerbated by the fact that the face are made of dots (screw heads) instead of solid shapes, so they're going to dither into their own shadows. And the screw heads read as neutral grey, making contrast difficult. Remember: a driver will, under [i]best[/i] conditions, be looking for your numbers in quick distracted glances at a distance while moving.This is less of a deal these days now that GPS navigation is common, but it can still be a problem if the GPS map is inaccurate (we've all had the experience of being pointed to the wrong building, I'm sure). If you want to use this sort of method to make house jewelry, rock out. But I strongly advise using it for decorative designs instead of for the house numbers. If you must use it for house numbers, make sure you pay very close attention to your choice of colors, font, and location to ensure the sign is still highly readable. Not readable if you already know what you're looking for and are standing calmly halfway up the walk in midday light. Not readable in an up-close beauty photo. Readable from the road, at dusk (or night), in half-second glances while driving, past unfamiliar houses on an unfamiliar street, where you have no idea what to expect.Unfortunately the specific example showcased in this 'ible (and unfortunately in several of the examples done by commenters below) is exactly what you NEVER want to do: ultra low-contrast. This person has camouflaged their number, ensuring that every delivery driver that arrives at their door does so cursing them. Unfortunately, a lot of the the ones that others have built in the comments are similar. It't defiantly arty, but it wrecks the functionality of the numbers so hard that it's potentially worse than not having numbers at all.

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  • Indestructible Thumb Detecting Shop Stein

    Gotta agree. Cool-looking cup idea if you're a mechanic or a car guy, but I definitely wouldn't trust it not be be full of cadmium or lead or any of another thousand such things commonly used in machinery.

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