Knot Training Knot Box

by GFire

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Intro: Knot Training Knot Box

Hi all, this project was the results of several things. My involvement with the Boy Scouts of America, my love for knot tying and lastly and more importantly being unemployed for three months. Its amazing what you can accomplish when you are actively trying to find work.

I had already made other knot tying stations for the Troop I was involved with along with a few knot boards. I also developed a Knot Sure™ tying program to help scouts and adult leaders too. More about that at the end.

Now this was back when I didn't have a lot wood working tools. So I can't really show a lot of the production pics as most of them have been lost either prints or digitally over the years. I had some scrap wood left over from other projects and I concocted a design for an oblong box with 7 stations (there are 7 basic knots Scouts) internally where scouts could step up and practice tying the scout knots required for various rank advancement.

I'll do my best to recreate how I managed all of this. This was made back in 2005 and is still being used today.

STEP 1: Make the Box

I’ll break down this into two sections as that’s how the box is.
Using the scrap wood I had I made two oblonged framed boxes. (Dimensions see image) I assembled the box halves with wood glue and wood screws. I painted the overall box inside and out brown before working on to the insides.

STEP 2: Left Section

I cut a section of 1/8” thick gypsum board to fit perfectly in the back of the box. I glue it in to place. To help finish it I hot glued a piece of 1/4” thick rope all away around the edge to hide the edges. I divided the back into four areas, each area will be for a specific knot.
Area 1: Clove hitch (One 18” long 1/4” rope) Area 2: Timber hitch (One 18” long 1/4” rope) Area 3: Two Half hitch (One 18” long 1/4” rope) Area 4: Taught Line (One 18” long 1/4” rope)

In each area I put a 8.75” length section of actual scrap tree wood (each about 1.5” in diameter). I cut each limb to fit snug from top to bottom. Before securing the limbs in place I tied and glued an example of each knot for each section towards the top. (Note I made the mistake on the first three knots varnishing them it wasn’t needed and turned the ropes yellow)

Then I glued & nailed to the back side of the limb at the bottom the actual tying rope that can be used to practice with. I wedge the limbs into the appropriate area using a small amount of wood glue. To help keep them in place I use a 1.5” screw from the top and bottom outside of the box.

STEP 3: Right Section

This side of box I divided into four areas, but only need three for the other three Scout knots. In the last area I put my Knot Sure™ tying logo from my custom Knot Sure™ tying program I created (complete with custom patch).
Area 5: Square Knot (Two 18” ropes) Area 6: Sheet Bend (Two 18” ropes) Area 7: Bowline (One 18” long rope) Area 8: Knot Sure™ program art

I put a half inch furring strip at the top and bottom on the long sides in the back. Like the left section I cut a same size section of gypsum board to fit over the back with the furring strips in place. This leaves a .5” gap behind it making it false back inside to where I could drill holes for the tying ropes for each section.

Before putting false back into position I drilled holes just big enough (1/4”) to feed the sections of rope through. I did a stopper knot at one end of each piece of rope before feeding it through. To keep them secured for continual use I tied an additional knot as tight as I could up against the face of the gypsum board.

With ropes pulled through and secured, I glued the false back into place. And like the left section finished it with a rope boarder hot glued in place. Each knot tying rope portion is about 18” long. At the top in the appropriate area I glued a sample of each knot in place.

STEP 4: Join Sections

I used a brass hinges at the short end. It makes for and awkward opening but it helps with the over display and training usage. On the opposite end of the hinges I placed two toggle latch clasps with hasps to hold it together. Plus an additional two spaced strategically across the top of the box.

As cumbersome as the long box is I needed a way to carry it. To facilitate this I braided two handles for each section. I took this also as opportunity to tie two different style braided handles (a Square Crown Sennit and a Round Crown Sennit. I drilled two holes in each section spaced apart. Fed each handles loose ropes through and glued and brad stapled to secure in place. This proved more than adequate to lift with and support the box when picking it up.

STEP 5: The Fun Part - Decorate the Box

Now to just look at the outside of the box (other than the handles) you’d have no idea what its all about. So putting my knot knowledge to the test I proceed to tie any and every kind of knot, hitch and or braid samples I could find. I tied each using small 1/8” gauge rope. After tying each knot I nailed into position on the exterior of the box with brass brads (tacks). Using a gold sharpie I identify each knot and or braid style. All the loose knots on the right section were easy to attach.

On the left section to be able to display the hitch style knots I had to hook a length of 1/4” dowel rod to the box. I first tied all the hitches I wanted to display and fit them over the rod. I then secured the rod with 3 brass eye hooks bending the ends closed around the rod for a more secure fit. After this I positioned the hitches along the rod and nailed each into place. Most of the knots, as you can see, I used white rope. But for some of the seizings and braids along the bottom I used a hemp based twine like rope. The difference in colors helps highlight the seizure knots and braids.

STEP 6: Using the Trainer

The sheer number of knots and size of this box impresses most of trainees when they first see it. Its been a great tool for both young Scouts and adult Scouters to train the basic 7 Scout Knots. As I said at the beginning, it is still being used today. I hope to use it very soon with my Tiger Den.

One thing about training knots the best way to learn a knot is to teach someone else after you think you’ve learned it. This cements it to your memory. Another point about knots almost all knots were created for a specific use, teaching the purpose of a knot also helps reinforce memory of it.

Now if you think tying some knots are difficult? Try drawing a knot. An if that’s not a challenge for you try doing it on a computer. It’s a whole new challenge.

Its important to remember explain and demonstrate how to tie the knot. Then using the Knot trainer let them practice. Seeing the finished knot and having a visual direction can be beneficial as well. Not everyone learns the same way. Some people are visual others audible and by giving both directions will help various individuals learn and complete the knots.

Another recommendation is to give each trainee their own knot tying rope. This is something they can take with them to practice with and eventually teach others how to tie knots. The last picture is my actual knot tying rope that I've had for years.

I'd avoid waxy or propolyene twine. Hemp like twine can work but is rough on young hands. I recommend a Clothesline woven style rope. Usually about 1/4" in diameter and about 4' in length. This length comes in quited handy when out in the wild for all kinds of applications. When making these be sure to fuse the ends with a lighter. (Be careful as synthetic ropes will be super hot and can cause severe burns).

You could do a seizing style of wrap at the ends but this is time consuming and although its pretty and impressive looking its a bit overkill for beginners. Who will more than likely lose their knot rope.

I hope seeing my training box inspires you to find your own way to teach Knot tying. I truly love knot tying and love helping others learn knots. Who knows it could save a life someday. At the very least knowing how to tie the proper knot can make your life easier.

Read on if interested in my Knot Sure™ program.

STEP 7: Knot Sure™ Program

Earlier I mentioned my Knot Sure™ program. This program I designed to encourage my units scouts to learn the knots and receive recognition in the form of a patch. This was originally posted on our units website over 10 years ago. The website is no longer active but the PDF is uploaded here.

Other units across the country have requested to use the program. The reason I designed the program is because I noticed that even though the knots are required for rank advancement some of the scouts retention, especially the older ones, was lacking. Mainly because they weren't actively having to use these knots on camp outs.

I feel this was happening mostly because of the advent Velcro and other improvements in camping gear. Heck most kids don’t even know how to tie their shoes nowadays with Velcro straps. So I wanted to aid and teach our scouts in that learning these 7 basic scout knots they’ll use them the rest of their life. If anyone is interested in the program feel free to reach out to me.

I've updated the Instructions for 2020. And removed the patch purchase option. If I get enough requests maybe I'll reorder.

Good Luck all you Knot Tiers.

20 Comments

bingoham 9 months ago

Is there anything available for lashings?

GFire 9 months ago

I'm a Frayed Knot (haha). Sorry couldn't resist. No I we focused more on the 7 basic knots for training. Lashing were more for pioneering projects. But Technically the clove hitch is the beginning and ending of all lashings. So I stand corrected yes!

WUVIE 2 years ago

Such a cool project, a great Instructable! Bravo!

HaroldC2 2 years ago

I am a knot instructor for Sea Scouts and would love to have one of your patches to sew onto my ditty bag where I keep all my marlinespike seamanship tools.

TrulyJulie 4 years ago

This is SUPER AWESOME! Great job!

Warpig17 4 years ago

Is there a way you could update the PDF? Just noticing it says 2009. I am a shop (technology education) teacher and would love to do this project with my students but kids always grumble if they thing something is old/outdated. I know as well as you do knots have been used for about forever but kids still get funny when they see old dates.
Thanks!

GFire 4 years ago

Updated... new version posted. Turns out there was No Leopard!

Warpig17 4 years ago

HAHAHA- that's excellent! Thanks so much!

GFire 4 years ago

I'll be happy to. However, I'll have to look for my original document I created the PDF from. If I'm going to change the date I might as well update the file to not include the Patch info. The last time I had the file, I believe it was down to the cellar, where I had to use a flashlight, since all the lights were gone, and no stairs either. It might be on an old bernoulli disk, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.” Hope you don't need it like this weekend. But I'll do my best!!

1cretin 4 years ago

just a question of intrest not that i need too know how because ive been able too tie it since i was 6yrs old. but no where in your showcase of interesting and usefull array of knots you show but you lack showing the 13 loop noose, why is that its a knot thats been used since the turn of time ever since there was the first real criminal all jails had one and you could nearly find one in every town in the main street. i just belive as its such a regulary used knot it shoud have its place in being shown off with information regarding why it had 13 loops. thanks for alll your pictures and naming of the varest of knots.

GFire 4 years ago

Hi, I was waiting for someone to notice or ask. I agree with all your points. However the main reason its not present on my box, is because I work with youth. The notorious Hangman's Noose is not something we want Scouts tying for safety reasons. Invariably one scout will end up tying one trying to be cute or funny. But in my opinion there is nothing funny or cute about this knot. It's at this point when a scout ties one, I point out that all knots have a purpose. And a rope is a tool not unlike a hammer or saw. Each of which has a purpose. When used properly they are a benefit. A rope used improperly is just as dangerous. So I stress that only purpose that knot is used for is to hurt some one. Aside from its history, it has several negative connotations among certain cultures. I hope you can appreciate my point of view. Thanks for asking.

IgnusM 4 years ago

Nice case! But what you are referring to as 1/8" gypsum board (sheetrock) looks to be hardboard (high density fiberboard) to me. Is that a possibility?

GFire 4 years ago

Your correct, my bad... its what my dad always called it and old habits die hard. I have no clue why he called it that. It is hardboard.

Hooty1701 4 years ago

Great Idea! A brain fart to consider: Have you ever made a training Knot Development Course (KDC) explaining the knot's history and usage? Kids love that stuff!

GFire 4 years ago

That's what the Knot Sure Course is. I include knot purpose and history while I'm teaching the knots.

GFire 4 years ago

Thank You!