For this project, we wanted to build a lower cost, lower precision XY table for an installation at TeleToyland. The goal is to allow web users to draw shapes in a sand box, so we wanted a simple XY table that is easy to control from a web application. Since we already have the Web to Hobby Servo connection working well for other installations, using a hobby servo was the desired approach. Most homebrew CNC XY tables use motors like steppers and acme screw drives, but we don't need that much precision, and they are a bit slower than we'd like. The Hobby Servo approach also gives us absolute position control, and helps keep the cost down too - using industrial servos would be great, but a lot more expensive. We were also looking for a lower cost way to do the linear glides - trying to avoid costly linear bearings etc.

(Note, we have a newer version of this project at this Instructable)

You can try this project out live at the site

The Challenge
So, the challenge is taking a hobby servo and getting 2-3 feet of linear motion out of it. ServoCity is working on servo linear actuators, but we'd prefer lower power, lower cost, and longer reach that they currently offer (though new ones may be pending). We also built a basic SCARA type arrangement with 3" lazy susans, servos, and counter weights. This works OK, but the workspace was limited, and due to the polar approach with hobby servos, the resolution is uneven - higher nearer the servos. This may not be a huge problem, but the approach shown here yields the same precision over the entire workspace. We could also consider a hybrid - using one rotational arm with a liner slider on it - the math would be easy in that it would use polar coordinates directly. We could also reverse the two - use on linear slider and add a rotating arm to it. A project for another day!

Using Hobby Servos
With a Hobby Servo, you typically get just 90 or 180 degrees of rotation, so the trick is getting that to work over a longer span - 2-3 feet. We could modify a servo for continuous rotation, but then you lose the positioning capability and we'd like to keep the internal PID circuitry and potentiometer approach. If you use the internal potentiometer and add a big servo horn, you could get a wider range of travel. With a circular horn, the distance traveled is Pi * Diameter of the horn / 2 - that last divide by two is to account for the max 180 degree of travel (we'll get into that later). So, for a 2' travel, you'd need a servo horn with a diameter of over 15"! We could use that approach with a lazy susan type of setup, but the momentum in moving that much material puts a huge mechanical strain on the servos (the same issue we had with the SCARA prototype). Another approach is to gear up the output, so you get more motion on the output. We didn't dig into this, and there may be issues with the power required to move those gears, and in addition, using gears is a bit ticker mechanically - we came up with a much simpler approach.

So, for our system, we pulled the potentiometer out of the servo case, and replaced it with a 10-turn potentiometer. So, right away, you can multiply the distance traveled by 10, so for the above case, it takes the horn diameter for a 2' travel from 15" to 1.5" - much more reasonable!

In terms of coupling the output we could drive a threaded shaft with a follower nut (ACME threading seems to be preferred). This appears to be the most common drive mechanism for homebrew XY Tables - due to it's power and precision. It does result in slower travel, though, and again, a lot of gearing to get the potentiometer to move at the right speed to cover the span of travel.

What we opted for was a very simple timing belt approach where the servo drives a timing belt pulley, and the 10-turn potentiometer is connected directly to the shaft. With this very simple arrangement, then, we get 2-3' of travel in a few seconds with no complex mechanics. You could scale this approach up by gearing down the drive or potentiometer to the limits of the mechanics of a hobby servo.

Step 1: Materials

Timing Belt Pulleys and Belts

Timing belts are strong, flexible, and lose almost no movement to slippage. We used XL timing belts with 0.2" pitch - 77" long (and 3/8" wide to match the pulleys). This seems to work fine - we thought about testing the MXL belts with a 0.08" pitch, but didn't see the need since there was no noticeable play in the system for our purposes, and there was a wider belt selection. We used a fairly large timing belt pulley since that has a big impact on the final distance (the circumference) - it's about 1.5" in diameter - the largest we easily found with the 1/4" shaft size we were using. With a bigger pulley, the range would increase, but the system is ultimately limited by the precision of the potentiometer, so a much bigger belt may not work as well - certainly less positioning precision. We used 1/4" shafts throughout for simplicity - the same as the ten-turn potentiometer shaft.

We got our timing belts and pulleys from McMaster-Carr (but they are available elsewhere):
part # 6484K454 Trapezoidal Tooth Neoprene Timing Belt .200" Pitch, Trade Sz 770XL, 77" Outer Circle, 3/8" Wide
part # 57105K21 Acetal Pulley for XL-Series Timing-Belt for 1/4" & 3/8" Belt Width, 1.63" OD, 22 Teeth

Bearings and Collars
For the timing belt pulley bearings, make sure to get the extended inner ring ones so they don't rub against the shaft collars. You could also use regular ones with small washers on the inner ring. We used flanged ones to make mounting easier.

We got our timing belts and pulleys from McMaster-Carr (but they are available elsewhere):
part # 6462K12 Type 303 SS Set Screw Shaft Collar 1/4" Bore, 1/2" Outside Diameter, 9/32" Width
part # 57155K337 Miniature Precision SS Ball Bearing - ABEC-5 Flanged Shield, Extended Inner Ring, .25" ID, .5" OD

After building these, we noticed that Home Depot has ball bearings for patio doors, and these may work almost as well at a much lower price. Rather than mounting the bearing in a hole, you could put a couple bolts right through the outer plastic ring and bolt it right to an L bracket.

Most servos use a 5K potentiometer, so we got one of those.  Note that these are 10 turn potentiometers per the intro.  The 1/4" shaft couplers for the potentiometer to the drive shaft connection are available at many places (McMaster-Carr, ServoCity, and Jameco all have them). The potentiometer could be connected to the shaft on the other side of the timing belt pulley from the servo, but in our case we extended it to the same side of the other pulley just as a simple means to keep the mechanics on one side of the device.

We got our potentiometers at Jameco: part # 183548 - they have a tolerance of +/- 5%.  Amazon has them too.
We also saw some at Digi-Key with +/- 0.2% - part # M-22E10-0502K-ND - we may try these at some point to see if they have any finer resolution.

Note: with heavy use on the site, the potentiometers started wearing and freezing up, so we have ordered ETI Systems MH22B series hybrid potentiometers (Mouser #882-MH22B-10-5K). Hybrid potentiometers use a layer of conductive plastic over the wire windings, so they are potentially more accurate and they last a lot longer - 10 million turns vs. 1 million turns for the wirewound ones. It's almost definite that the issue is in the slight wobble of the shafts, so we used a piece of plastic tubing to connect them rather than the rigid shaft couplers - that has worked for years now.

Servos and Servo Hubs
We started with fairly standard servos - Hitec HS-425BBs (57 oz. in. and 0.16 sec to 60 degrees @6v). In testing, we had a standard servo driving a shorter timing belt, and got about 1.5' of movement in about 4 seconds. Not bad, and the servo was powerful enough to move it. But we opted for more speed, and upgraded to higher speed servos - Hitec HS-6965HBs (111 oz. in, and 0.08 sec to 60 degrees @6v). The newer ones were twice as fast, and much more powerful as a bonus, though that wasn't required. They are also digital, so they are programmable and all, but they do whine a lot more due to the higher frequency motor control.

(June 2009) See notes on the servo and last page, but for the X axis, we are currently using a
Pololu 3A Motor Controller with Feedback and a 12VDC 250RPM DC Gearhead Motor. The board from Pololu works just like a servo control board, and we already have the external potentiometer.

To connect the servos to the shafts, we used Servo to Shaft Couplers from ServoCity (http://www.servocity.com/html/servo_to_shaft_couplers.html) - part # HSA250. As far as we know, those couplers are fairly unique to Servo City.

Drawer Glides and Misc Hardware
Mechanically, this is a simple system - we used wood and various metals in the prototypes, and they all worked fine.

For the linear motion, we used Accuride full extension drawer glides from Home Depot. We bolted pairs of them (top to bottom) to give a longer travel. You can buy longer drawer glides, but they get expensive fast, so bolting two together works well at a low cost. One disadvantage with drawer glides is that they extend out past the machine when in use. Also, with two shorter glides screwed together, they tend to dip slightly when fully extended. We used 24" ones for the parallel glides and 20" ones for the single track. Both were fine since we had about 38" of travel. We may switch to linear bearings and shafts at some point if we can find lower cost ones.

We got the 1/4" steel shaft (zinc plated), the 1x4 and 1x6 wood and various aluminum and steel angles from Home Depot. All of the small bolts used in the project were #6 size, and the wood was screwed with drywall screws and pan head screws. We also used some electrical conduit boxes for the plastic shape (see below), but this is totally optional.
<p>Hi !</p><p>I made it by myself , and while i searching for more robust CNC plan i found your post. Its same to your project but i added extra support to stabilised Z axis. </p>
Looks like a fun project! I see you used stepper motors - definitely better for more precise movement.
probley the worst CNC ever built. No z Axis? Servos? I bet it only has enough power to use a pencil on paper and thats it. There is no way this thing is doing anything useful! This is terrible!
<p>Hey cliffy,</p><p>Post a Picture of your design!! Carl, really nice work!</p>
<p>How do you coordinate the movements of the the two motors so one of them doesn't arrive at the destination earlier or later than the other..?</p>
You divide up the full move into move increments or time increments like 100 steps or 2 seconds etc. - those can be any number based on how fast the motors can move and how far you need to go. <br><br>Then you step through those and calculate the X &amp; Y position for the current step in the full path.<br><br>The sample code in this Indestructible has a simple version, based on time increments: http://www.instructables.com/id/Internet-Arduino-Controlled-T-Slot-XY-Table/<br><br>This one has similar code: http://www.instructables.com/id/Table-Sized-Arduino-Joystick-Controlled-T-Slot-XY-/<br><br>For stepper motors, you often use the longest dimension in steps.<br>
<p>Looks a little complicated, but thanks!</p>
<p>I saw this jig for routers, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ulblySFElo4 then i realized it could be controllable by servos, </p>
Could be - not sure how much torque is required for that setup. DC motors would work. It's a cool design, and relatively low cost, though! Lot's of fabricating special parts, though. Check out the T-Slot version of this project - very easy to make.<br>
<br> <br> Thank <br> you for this great tutorial! Thought I might share this website I came <br> accross which I found very useful:http://www.directindustry.com/industrial-manufacturer/xy-stage-76555.html
This is an awesome project, thanks for sharing.
Hey Carl amazing, i have an idea, and this will be very useful, <br>is there a way you can attach a powerful led light on the pointer end, and have it fade in and out? <br>the idea i have is to capture a lens flare. <br>as in do your camera move (in the computer) do a 2d track on the image of the light source.(track the cgi light source) <br>export the 2d tack coordinates to the XY table, <br>Have a camera pointing the other end. once the light is in position take an picture on the camera. <br>As to simulate depth/ occlusion the light source need to fade in intensity. <br>Problem i have, i have no idea how to program this for the XY table to read. any ideas?
Cool idea! Take a look at the T-Slot version of this project - there is a link to it in the intro. Since that one uses an Arduino, you can drive an LED with a transistor - just like the side lighting that project uses, but an LED instead of the Z-Axis servo. Maybe try to get an LED working and dimming with an Arduino first to see how it goes since you are learning? I have another instructable for permanent holiday LED lighting that shows how to dim an LED strip - same thing for an individual LED, and maybe even easier. There are a number of examples of a single LED dimming with an Arduino on the web. Good Luck!
Thanks - looking forward to seeing how it goes since I am curious about using stepper motors too.
I really enjoyed trying your sand CNC app--thanks! I am <a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-CNC-Router-Plans-How-to-Build/" rel="nofollow"><strong>building my CNC</strong></a> to use drawer slides and NEMA17 steppers.
Just had a thought; you could mark lines on the belt and use a light sensor to detect the light reflected. This method gives no wear at all and the parts are cheap. to get the markings accurate im sure you could use a contact transfer to mark the lines on.
could also use a rotary encoder at the shaft, gray code or something, it'd be like, the reverse of a stepper motor, unless the shaft jumped a whole rotation, you'd have an absolute position... same technique, but without worrying the belt will get the ultra tiny dots rubbed off. there's an ible for a jog shuttle made from a vcr head, the same printout dots and encoder would work perfectly.
Nice idea, but marking the belt would be a little tedious, to say nothing of what Skaar said, the possibility of them rubbing off, also makes it less ideal.. the contact transfer, would also need to be 100% accurate, even if using just 2 or 3 already-marked areas. Most inkjet printers, use a clear plastic disc, and yes, there is that danger of the shaft jumping a tooth, or two.. but those usually match to the splines on the gear, and have an 'End Of Travel' optical sensor at both ends. I imagine the multi-turn POT is also susceptible to the 'Jump a tooth' problem..
Indeed - I have added hose clamps on the tubing connecting the potentiometers since they can slip. There is a trade-off between locking everything down and allowing some parts of the system to slip in case something goes wrong. For a CNC machine, locking things down more may make sense since they are generally attended. For TeleToyland, they need to run for weeks or months without intervention. Having a stepper and a home switch may work - it can home itself periodically, thus adapting to small variations.
hey arent potentiometers supposed to go only 180 degrees? in this case it goes round and round
Good catch. You are right - normally only one turn, but we are using 10 turn pots. It was mentioned in the intro, but we updated the parts list and this page to avoid confusion. Thanks!
Can u show us the circuit of this thing. how it been connecting to ueach other.
i used the same drawer glides too. they're perfect for the job. although they do dip if you go past their contracted length. they keep things neat and low cost when compared to aluminum rods and linear bearings.
Thanks. The drawer glides are still working on the web site, but I have an updated design that uses nylon screen door rollers on t-slot extrusions. The advantage is that they don't extend past the table when in use.<br><br>http://www.instructables.com/id/Internet-Arduino-Controlled-T-Slot-XY-Table/<br>
Love your innovation using &quot;off the shelf&quot; items! <br> <br>Grrreat job! <br> <br>
Great Instructable!!! Ive been working on a machine of my own but I have some questions about my driver board. Has anyone used the HobbyCNC EZ Driver Board Kit or the PRO series?
Have you considered Kerk? I was aware of them having very low cost linear guide systems about 5 yrs ago...
Hi, I am a new-registered member in your site... <br>I have a question here regarding to the PID X-Y table... <br> <br>How do you know the maximum distance that the plate on the X-axis and Y-axis can reach when the potentiometer (the potentiometer in your diagram) is in saturation (potentiometer reach maximum)?? <br> <br>If I am using another two potentiometers as the controller to control the X-axis and Y-axis movement respectively, when I tune the controller to its maximum, it is expected that the potentiometer that linked to the servo motor will reach maximum as well, vice versa. <br> <br>Hence, if my hardware is built without priorly knowing these information, it will happen that when I tune my controller to its maximum, the plate that move along the X-axis or Y-axis will reach to the edge before the potentiometer (the potentiometer that linked to the servo motor) reach its maximum if the area of the hardware is too small. <br> <br>So, how are we going to know the exact length and width of the X-Y table that enable the potentiometer to rotate freely from 0% to 100%?? <br> <br>Please be tolerated while reading due to my poor english, haha. <br> <br>Thanks a lot, hope to hear from you soon.
CNC news! DIY CNC hits mainstream in an O'Reilly Radar tech blog report today. See<br><br>http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/12/diy-fabrication-hits-a-new-pri.html
The linear bearings could be a smooth flat metal track, with the carriage mounted to a standard ball bearing.
i run the bs2 stamp chip i got over 60 servos around&nbsp; i been trying to find a way to run servo's instade of stepper motor&nbsp;&nbsp; im working on a nothere project cnc tipe&nbsp; but i don't won't to run a 300 board i like to find a nothere way to run it or convert the servo wire's to run with a home made board
Very creative way of doing CNC ;-)<br /> <br /> ...but I still believe that using steppers is the way to go. <br />
I have an idea here...will it work&nbsp;fine if i replace the drawer slider with a robot castor&nbsp; attach under the top X-axis bar?
<p>if i were going to use roller-chain-sprockets instead of timing belt, is that possible to clamp the chain like what you've done here?</p>
Maybe you could even just put a screw through one of the links?&nbsp; We could have done that with the timing belts too, but we were reluctant to put a hole in the timing belt.<br />
another question here. in this step 5 (picture number 2), does the small wood block, which attach on the Y-axis top glide, glue/screw together with the X-axis ?
Yes, I think its described in Step 4 - we attached small blocks to the X Axis glides, then the Y axis board to the tops of those blocks.&nbsp; That was so the Y Axis was above the X Axis timing belt.<br />
I would like to use your table design in an upright position, i.e. vertical.&nbsp; I cannot tell whether the design is mechanically consistent with this configuration.&nbsp; Thank you!!<br /> &nbsp; <br />
Thank you!&nbsp; I will let you know how it goes.<br />
It should be since the drawer glides work in most orientations, but the weight of the Y axis would be a fairly big strain on the X axis.&nbsp; Maybe you can add a counterweight to it? <br />
very cool! i would love to see how you did your web interface with the SSC-32 board.
We use a SitePlayer Telnet device to go from the Ethernet to the serial port.&nbsp; That let's us use simple PHP code to send commands via telnet.&nbsp; Then, we connect a Lynxmotion SSC-32 right into that serial port to drive the servos.<br />
<p>Hi,carls, i have a few Questions here:</p> <p>Does the Y-axis Drawer Glide system which you did here slide from the bottom to the top of the whole mechnism? I dont understand how did you make the drawer glide slide in the position 'bottom-top'?what does it mean by 'bottom-up'?<br /> <br /> As my project is about a pick and place&nbsp;mobile robot,so i would like to make the Y-axis&nbsp;slider to slide from the bottom up to where&nbsp;the top end. Could you teach me?&nbsp;</p>
Both axes use the same approach:&nbsp; we took two drawer glides and bolted the thin sides (the part that gets connected to the drawer) together, so that leaves the two wider cabinet sides out.&nbsp; We did this just to save the cost of buying a really long drawer glide.&nbsp; Another way to go is get linear bearings from a place like http://www.vxb.com.&nbsp; We may try that on a newer version of the TeleToyland Sandbox.<br /> <br /> Just a note that this system is very low precision, so it may not be well suited to CNC apps.<br />
I do not want to hijack your comments here but I have a few projects in mind, and you and your commentors seem to be the right people to ask.<br/><br/> I want to build an X, Y, Z, stage for a webcam-based microscope.<br/> It does not need to move more than a few inches in each of the axii (sp.?) so I was going to use the servos themselves to move them (as in the same way they would be used in a model plane). This should give me the minute control I need as well as a &quot;center&quot; position and joystick control.<br/> I will use the throttle channel for the z (zoom in this case) axis so that the zoom can be set and left, and the other stick for x and y respective to the stick so it will be logical to control the thing from the RC transmitter. I won't be able to control the focus, even though I have one more channel, because I have no way of connected a servo to the focus knob at this time.<br/> I am using an XBox360 webcam modified for higher focus control. I have no way offhand of measuring the total zoom, but with the focus adjusted all the way out (close) you can focus on an object about a half inch away from the camera. if it works well I am sure I can add more lenses later.<br/><br/>Another project I am working on is a very large Radio Control Truck, based around a Honda 1000 watt generator. I know it will be difficult and odd to use the generator as the power source, but I have my reasons. I need two POWERFUL motors and controllers because I want it to be a tow truck and powering the rear wheels individually allows me both the ability to switch between series and parallel wiring, as well as making it unnecessary to use a differential.<br/> I also need to build and run a winch capable of ... I don't know, 500 pounds?<br/><br/> The truck will be based on a 1920's chain-drive, Mack &quot;C-Cab&quot; and will have multiple beds that bolt or pin in place and will include a tow truck, a 5th wheel (semi truck or tractor trailer), a flat bed, and possibly a dump bed or &quot;rollback&quot;.<br/><br/> I am taking sponsors for the truck if anyone is interested.<br/><br/> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://diecastoms.blogspot.com">http://diecastoms.blogspot.com</a> if interested, but I haven't been updating it as often as I should.<br/><br/> Thanks for reading my comment and not flaming me ;P<br/> Mike from &quot;DC&quot;.<br/>
Why not just use DC motors if you're killing the pot?
You are right. As noted in the Instructable, we are using a separate DC motor on the X axis currently since the system is in such heavy use on TeleToyland. We still need the PID control, and prefer the servo signal control, so we are using a board from Pololu that works like the hobby servo electronics. But, it's worth mentioning that the hobby servo approach does work fine. We are using it for the Y axis, and we used high speed + high power servos just to make the system work faster. Using regular servos (maybe a high power one for the X axis) does work fine, so the timing belt servo control is a nice low cost way to get lower precision linear motion. Using DC motor drivers would be great too - just gets into more cost like traditional CNC machines.
Wow simple enough for me lol if i get some cash i may maje one of these will be great but i suppose you could wire a dremel to it And run a router bit Through polystyrene or something Great rated 5/5

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