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How to build a gas forge burner

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First and Foremost, This burner was designed by Mr. Ron Reil. All credit for this design goes to him. Visit Ron Reil’s page at the link below:

http://ronreil.abana.org/design1.shtml

Also, Fire is Hot. A burner like this puts out a significant amount of heat and using such a device improperly is likely to cause you injury and/or property damage. I suggest you use good safety procedures building and operating this burner, BUT AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS OR CHOICES NOR AM I RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE OR INJURY THAT MAY RESULT FROM YOU BUILDING AND USING THIS DEVICE.

There are countless designs for forge burners and furnace burners online. I like this one because it is simple to construct, and the materials are easily obtainable from most hardware stores.

This burner was built for this small forge. The forge is small enough that I can run the burner at under 5 psi and keep the interior at a good working temperature.However, this burner design does work well in larger forges, many large forges even use multiple burners.

In order to build this forge burner, You will need a drill, a set of bits, and a couple of files. If you don’t have a tap to install the set screws, there is an alternate method that I will address at the end of this article. Also, in order to forge the flare for this burner, you will need a functional forge already, or another heat source. If this is your first forge, there is obviously going to be a problem here. The alternate method for this too will be at the end of the article.

Also, it is important to note that you will need a gas regulator to run this burner. Simply running a hose from the burner assembly to your propane tank is not going to cut it. Regulators can be purchased locally at welding supply stores.


 
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Blacksmither6 months ago

Does it fit to my gas forge http://devil-forge.com/gas-forges/ DFPROF1?

lovegrove6 months ago
How safe is this burner and what fittings do you use from the burner to the gas bottle
Truehart2 years ago
Could this burner or your other propane torch method be used with this forge: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Make-A-Bladesmiths-Forge/ ?

Also, does propane burn hot enough to reform a leaf spring from a vehicle?
Would not work for this type of open forge.
These require coal to heat up a large surface.
Whereas this method is more like an oven building and maintaining heat in a small area.
what kind of brass fitting do i need to go from a 1/8 inch pipe to this hose it says it's a 1/8 inch fitting with orifice does that mean it has a valve that must be connected into a specific fitting or can I just use a 1/8 inch coupling?
bspecter1 year ago
Great build! I have been thinking about getting away from coal for years but I live out in the country where we have no gas lines.

Anyone know how long this burner will run on a standard 40lbs bbq tank?
Kaiven2 years ago
My burner created a nice double flame and heated a soup can to red hot within seconds. But somehow, it doesn't do that anymore and it just shoots out a single flame that barely heats anything. Could this be a problem with my oxygen/gas ratio that isn't creating the torch effect? Is this a fixable issue?

I found out that my first trials didn't work because the gas can was very low on pressure. I used a new one, but the inner cone flame went away after a few minutes. If I have to always maintain high pressure, what would be the best way...? Smaller pilot hole?
makingcustomknives (author)  Kaiven2 years ago
What color is the flame after the inner cone disappears? If there is not enough oxygen in the mix, the flame will become orange, so if you use a smaller orifice you may be able to run it at a lower presser. Also, experiment with the placement of the flare on the main tube to find where the best gas ratio is created.

There is plenty of oxygen, I added holes near the back with a breech to control the extra air input. Every three times the inner flame did appear, it was blue (cyan I suppose?)
I added length to the burner temporarily with PVC and still got no inner flame. Same for when I pushed the flare all the way back on the burner.
The last combination I can think of is making a new, small pilot hole (again) and using a longer flare combo (maybe shorter too)....
I've invested $100 on everything, $40 on the burner, so I really want this to work heh. Last time I lost $90 on an unsalvageable project, I was sad.
Kaiven Kaiven2 years ago
The pilot hole was slanted.... I fixed it and it works fine now.
Thanks for the instructions, this is exactly what I needed for my forge.
makingcustomknives (author)  Kaiven2 years ago
Great, I am glad it worked out for you.
I finally got a video of the burner in action, best investment yet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6JnaTRnmPk
makingcustomknives (author)  Kaiven2 years ago
Looks great dude. Thanks for linking to my site too.
Have fun.
makingcustomknives (author)  Kaiven2 years ago
"Last time I lost $90 on an unsalvageable project, I was sad."

I know the feeling brother. But before you go buy any more parts, try heating some steel scraps with the burner as it is. Even though the flame is not tight and uniform, if you point it inside an insulated enclosure, (a forge) it is going to get very hot. Over time, my burner flare is gradually oxidizing and changing the airflow of the burner. When I run it outside of the forge, the flame is wide and fluffy, but it still keeps my forge hot enough for work. Remember that you won't be able to see that pretty double flame cone when its inside your forge anyway.

Hehehe, I finally got the double flame (though not uniform and pretty). Heats up rebar pretty red/orange and I already tempered a tool for my friend. We also melted aluminum and we were going to make ingots, but got rained out.
cool20002 years ago
do you need to bell out the end or can you just leave it strait
curvy772 years ago
....is this really a forge or is this A FREAKIN JET ENGINE!?! THIS IS AWSOME!
HanzieO2 years ago
Very nice idble. Thanks I made one and are happily on the road to amature blacksmithing. I have made a 9kg propane tank forge yith your burner and a homemade anvil. I have made 2 knives and a couple of coupbard handles so far.

This burner is very simle to make and works very well.

Great fotos as well.
poppamies2 years ago
can i use this burner desing in forge welding? does this give me enough heat?
gary.9182 years ago
again very good .
Great job!

Could this be adapted to use natural gas in place of propane? I don't like to refill the propane tanks and have access to natural gas.
Great burner, I use one for Raku firing my pottery.
Ericc8153 years ago
Burning petroleum products mixed with air in an open atmosphere is a barrel full of variables... Your question needs more specifics and identify which efficiency you have in mind.
This is a top notch instructable and a great looking forge. Stoichiometric ratio is what I was wondering about specifically ,not that I see any fault in this design, I'm just curious if anyone has tested it side by side with a forge with a injector that moves in and out for tuning the venturi?
makingcustomknives (author)  drewgrey3 years ago
I imagine that having a burner like that would give you a greater ability to alter air intake and better control the atmosphere of the forge.
That's what I'm wondering. I also have wondered if a clever person could monitor the burnt gases with an o2 sensor. The gas would have to be drawn off and cooled to levels equal to a car exhaust but it would be a good project for a school.
Ceiling cat3 years ago
How much thrust does it put out?
It's not THAT kind of a burner....this one is used to heat a forge for working metal, not for pushing a vehicle
lol I was joking. ;)
Whatever PSI you regulator is set to.
makingcustomknives (author)  Old Nubbins3 years ago
Precisely.
Mugai3 years ago
Greetings, Nicely done. Looks quite usable and the instruction is complete and clear enough to actually make the beastie, My first thought is to use one as the burner for a small foundry.

ANY suggestions, hints, etc, will be appreciated.
makingcustomknives (author)  Mugai3 years ago
Well Thank you for your kind words.

As for the foundry, If I were trying to  make a foundry, I would cut open the top of a 16oz propane bottle, and insulate it in the same manner as this
propane bottle forge. Also, I would be careful not to point the burner directly at the crucible, but into the edge of the forge so that the heat radiates around the crucible in a circle.
drewgrey3 years ago
The setup you use obviously works great but I wonder if it is as effeciant as the style (like mine) where you can adjust both the gas pressure and the point in the venturi where the gas is injected. Has anyone ever done a head to head test ?
I couldn't count how many instructables I've read, but this one should at the top of the paradigms of how they should be conceived, contrived, and produced. Simply a super job! I had more than a few misgivings about building and using a forge, but you've made it clear that the process is definitely within my capabilities. Many thanks for an exceptional Instructable.
WhYKnoT3 years ago
I have viewed many different "instructable's" on this site, and elsewhere.
This is one of the absolute best!

It clearly and concisely written, and very well illustrated.
Furthermore, the photos show the skill which you are blessed with; they also demonstrate that one only requires relatively simple tools, and determination, to effect a fine project.

I look forward to studying your website.

Thank You!
makingcustomknives (author)  WhYKnoT3 years ago
Thank you very much for your support.
madbastard3 years ago
Larry Zoeller sells SS flared ends for this type of burner. And for Drewgrey, The injector can be adjusted by using the set screw to move it up or down. I made two of these burners and they work great at 2-3 Lbs. of pressure, I can heat a RR spike to forging temp in less than two minutes. Larry Zoeller also sells hoses and regulators for them. His web site is: http://zoellerforge.com/
jj2k3 years ago
Nice instructable on a really good burner design. I have used this design for the past 12 years and have never had any issues with it.