Add a Breech Safety to a Cheap Chinese Pellet Gun

This is a b3-1 chinese pellet gun, the cheapest pellet gun ever made, and would cut your hand clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

You see, these little gems, fun too shoot thou they are, lack an important safety mechanism that prevents the breech slamming shut and amputating your fingers through accident or mechanical failure.

Let's fix that.

Standard disclaimer There are risks inherent in the modification of any weapon, anyone undertaking to modify a weapon based upon the information in this instructable agrees to hold the author blameless for any injury, accident, or death resulting.

Redneck disclaimer, I ain't not no gunsmith, iffen ya'll dun do this don't be blamin' me iffen sumthin goes awry.

Step 1: Disassembly

Check to make sure the weapon is unloaded, then disassemble by removing the screws on either side at the front of the stock and the two screws holding the trigger guard in place.

Lift the action out of the stock, note that the pins holding the trigger mechanism together are free floating and will FALL OUT, wrap a piece of paper around the trigger mechanism and secure with rubber bands.

Step 2: Yada

cock the weapon and immediately block the breech with a piece of wood and use cable ties to hold in place. Use care as the trigger is now exposed and even with the breech block, discharge will destroy the gun.

Step 3: Drill

Drill a 3/16ths hole through the receiver just in front of the breech face. Slip the action carefully back into the stock and mark where you will need to relieve the stock. Make the stock relief cuts with a rat tail file and touch up the stock finish.

Step 4: Reassemble

reassemble the weapon but when replacing the forward right hand screw attach a "Sliding door security pin" (available Home Depot $2)

Step 5: To Use

Cock the weapon. (A smart observer will note that the weapon was NEVER decocked, bonus point to you)
Insert the pin through the holes drilled into the receiver
Load the weapon
slide the pin out
close the breech
aim
fire

Comments

[GorillazMiko]

ahhhh, guns. how could we live without them?

[lbrewer42]

If the wrong person is elected for president next time, we might have to find out what it is like to live without them!

[AnarchistAsian]

i doubt it, the 2nd amendment has been around almost as long as this country has, and it would be very hard to get rid of

[lbrewer42]

I agree with your statement. However it was Einstein (I believe) who said, "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." A lot of US citizens have been lulled into not realizing that a socialist is a communist (Carl Marx himself said this). We have a communist-minded leader and most of America snoozes. I can guarantee the agenda of a communist is not to have free firearms floating around. Like Mr. Clinton tried to make ammo primers be made of materials that would deteriorate after awhile, I am sure the anti-Americans can come up with some way of making sure our firearms are not worth much for protection anymore. I hate the concept of our losing our freedoms as much as any other American (who can use their head for something other than a hat-holder) does.

[HarveyDanger]

"Communist-minded leader?" Even when the American socialist parties want nothing to do with him because he relies too much on capitalism? No, sir, he is a moderate progressive democrat, far different from a socialist, despite what some woefully ignorant people may try to argue.

Saying socialism=communism is erroneous. You're a school teacher, so clearly you must realize this is not mathematics being discussed, and therefore the transitive property does not apply. Citing great tragedies in Communist countries as reasons socialism is bad is also erroneous. Bad people in power do bad things. Shall we look at all of the innocent lives our own fair country has extinguished over the years for political gains? Or perhaps you would prefer to focus on popular religions instead. CATHOLICISM IS BAD BECAUSE I HAVE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE AND LOOK AT THE HISTORY BOOKS, IT CAN NEVER WORK, conveniently ignoring any case in which it may be deemed successful. That's basically how your arguments have gone. Anything can be made evil when the only instances you pull for your argument are evil ones.

The European Union has a great number of socialist democracies (yes, that is a form of socialism, they're not all communist military dictatorships) that are more successful and have a far greater quality of life than our own country. Does this mean socialism is great and amazing? No, it means that those are just some socialist countries that are successful for any number of reasons. There are many more circumstances that determine when and how a country succeeds than their base political system, and determining something (a country, a political system, a religious belief) is evil because of very specific, different instances throughout history while ignoring a greater context is a fallacy. Once again, I ask you to look at America, which has been villainized in many other countries using the specific logic you yourself just used to attack communism. It's perfectly fine to argue that "Stalin's communist regime was an awful thing," or that "The Khmer Rouge was evil because of how many people it killed," but making a general statement that socialism and communism are purely evil because of those instances is asinine.

Moreover, calling a democratically-elected President "traitorous" for doing things WITHIN our own (completely messed up, corrupt, and frankly, ridiculous) political system, like everyone else, that you may not agree with because of personal beliefs is just absurd. Using that word on Obama is putting him in the same league as ROBERT HANNSEN and BENEDICT ARNOLD. If you do not see how baffling this is then I'm afraid you may need to take a look at your world view and reevaluate your own experiences. I do not agree with everything that he does, but when I see mindless bi-partisan rhetoric like that I cannot help but lament the state of this country. If you take issue with the things he's done, then campaign for someone you like, or petition to change the way our ridiculous republic now functions at higher levels. But please, please do not jaunt about the internet spitting doom and fire with claims of treason, because that can only make things worse.

Just as an aside, that liberal-controlled education system you commented on can hardly be called such when the Texas Board of Education determines what ridiculous textbooks most of the rest of the country uses, and decides to include revisions that emphasize Amurrica, capitalism, Christianity, and modern Republican political figures (I foresee John Boehner coming in the future) while intentionally undermining the theory of evolution, cell formation and the "Big Bang." You may try to teach your kids to consider all viewpoints (which I honestly commend you for, that means you're a good teacher), but it's sure as hell going to be difficult to do when the textbook says evolution is "just a theory" and that Ronald Reagan is a superhero/demi-god. This is a huge part of the reason so many kids are so woefully under-educated when they reach institutions of higher learning, and that's not by some liberal-elite standard.

For what it's worth, the reason so many educators in America are left-leaning is because they've had training in -education-, more and more. I don't know what kind of school you teach at or what the requirements to become a teacher are, but you can rest assured that the mentality of "if you can't do, teach" is a dying one. It may not be your grade-level, but I recommend taking a couple of classes on early-childhood education and training to become pre-school and kindergarten teachers. You'll see precisely why so many in elementary and higher education are "liberal," when really, they're just progressive (sorry, I know that's a dirty word in some circles). Education is about opening the mind, which is too often mistaken for some kind of evil, liberal influence simply because it allows for the tolerance and contemplation of differing views from the ones we are raised with. Problems with the teachers unions are just that, problems with the unions. They have nothing to do with "political correctness" (AKA tolerance, sympathy and respect for others) or indoctrination, as Chuck Norris would have you believe. Once again, tackle separate issues separately, don't just lump them all into one all-being, all-destroying entity of liberalism and example of what's wrong in this country. 

I am a mere 23 years old, so feel free to attack my experience as "still learning," but I will always be learning. I have experienced enough to know that settling into a mindset and refusing to budge is a good way to kill your willingness to enjoy life and to get stuck in the past. It goes the other way, too. "Back in my day" doesn't work as a bar for which to gauge anything, because the world is constantly changing, and if you go "back in my day" enough you wind up back in Biblical times. That said, I have seen more than enough of this country and the direction it is heading in to make a decision for myself and my (hopefully) future family to GET OUT, and I am planning to do so as soon as I can. Everyone in the world has problems, but there are few countries as completely backwards as this one can be, and I can back that up with my own experience. The dollar is already being ousted as the world's reserve currency, and once that happens this country is screwed. But hey, maybe that will mean people will finally have to put aside their insignificant differences and make nation-wide decisions affecting millions based on facts instead of political pandering and brainless rhetoric (for a recent example, see the Planned Parenthood debacle).

[lbrewer42]

You make some good points. And you are also intelligent enough to realize a 23 year old has a long way to go. This puts you in the upper class of thinkers in present day society and shows you have an open mind.

This has always been my philosophy as well. In fact, when Obama was first elected i had friends saying how horrible everything was going to be - and I politely said, "Wait a minute - give the guy a chance!" And, no, I did not vote for him.

There comes a point in life when experience starts to make it easy to categorize people. But it is the fool who will think they can tuck anyone into a category and think they have that person figured out.

From experience - of 50 years - and living in the days when liberalism was in its stage of starting to be taken seriously, it is a fact that America was a lot better off - for the individual and as a group, before liberal philosophies were introduced into the education system.

The teachers of today are second-generation-taught "education" by the liberal philosophies that were toyed with in the early 60's. A fact of history is that they said to throw out the old standards and not to trust tried and true methods that had helped or country to mature to be the considered the best country ever made (people always tried to immigrate here for freedoms - right?). A few education related facts are that since this liberal takeover, students now receive less of an education than ever before. If you take a flat comparison rate of SAT scores, our present system produces people with worse scores than their parents and grandparents. Oh sure, like the NEA is now calling for, our kids may be more educated in things like sexual deviance - but this is for political gain - it is NOT education when most people cannot even compute 15% for their tip in a restaurant or make change without a cash register. Then we see how this also applies to other areas of education such as social life - on a percentage basis, divorce rates are ridiculously up, drug usage is up, crime is up. Yes, the liberals kicked morality out of the schools in the 60's and we are reaping the "benefits."

Before this wave of "new education" techniques we were better off b/c we did not have to lock our houses, immoraltiy was a no-no in any form, drugs were not the norm, families were strong, divorce rates were a LOT lower, and debt was something everyone avoided. "A good day's work for a good day's pay." "honesty is the best policy," and "do unto others as you want them to do unto you," were sayings that the mainstream person took to heart. I was there.

I agree when you say the world is always changing, but I thought the wise person would find a solution that works and apply it. We HAD the solution - and it worked - we should go back to it (with improvements we have made such as in areas of race etc.)

Back to Obama. He has hired Van Jones - an outspoke, self proclaimed communist. He also had Free Press Policy Director Ben Scott named a policy adviser for innovation at the State Department. Scott wrote a book "The Future of Media" which was edited by a man named Robert McChesney - an avowed marxist who has called for the dismantling of capitalism. Back in the McCarthy days (who, BTW, was vindicated in 1993 - I think this was the year) - this alone would have been enough to label a person a traitor to a freedom loving country.
If you do a deeper search, you will find Obama has always been playing in marxist, communist, and socialist circles. And it was Lenin who said the goal of socialism is communism.

Obam has been treasonous in another major way. He took an oath of office to protect our country and then, when AZ tried to stop the illegal immigrants (bringing in drugs, weapons, and then killing some of our citizens), Obama failed to uphold his pledge to protect US citizens and, instead, sided with the criminals and tried to sue AZ! This is traitorous. If nothing else he should have been brought up on charges of aiding and abetting criminals. If I was one of the families that lost a loved one to these illegals, I would personally, as far as I could push it, be putting the blame at the doorstep of where it belongs - Obama was not keeping his oath.

I have done a some world traveling. I can tell you right now the only place I want to live is America. The government puts its nose too much into the private citizens' business even moreso in other countries. Like Canada - they have had a better standard of living than the US for some time now. However, this is also the land where a package coming in the country can be opened by their post office and then they charge YOU 5.00 for doing it. This is also the country where my friends wanted to knock out a wall and install shelving. They had to pay an inspector to come and check out the structure to make sure it was safe to take out the wall. They then had to pay an inspector to make sure the materials they planned on using were OK. When it was finished they had to pay an inspector to come and make sure it was done correctly. When i asked them why they had to pay out so much for so many inspectors their reply was, "remember, this is not the US!" Personal responsibility and common sense SHOULD be enough. And if there is a problem because a mistake is made - then a person should be educated enough to be willing to take the consequences upon themselves.

Liberals - or the new PC term - progressives - as is being proven now - prefer policies of big government taking away personal freedoms. Examples? I will not have the government tell me that I will purchase health insurance if I do not want it. I will not stand for being punished if I say something like "homosexuality is sin." And I oppose the government thinking they have the right to outlaw a certain type of lightbulb! I am an American. I will be one until I die. This means I make my choices about my life and what I choose to say will not be taken from me. However, i will also, in what the American tradition was, make sure my choices are not going to physically harm others and will be politely factual, when it comes to voicing my opinions. i am certainly not going to go carry signs out in the middle of the street saying sodomites are filthy sinners and doomed to Hell - but if someone asks my opinions, I also am not going to ever look over my shoulder to make sure the I will not be in violation of a crime (hate crimes bill) if I choose to voice my opinion that homosexuality is a disgusting, scientifically proven-not-to-be-genetic, according-to-APA-psychiatric illness to be treated and is not a normal condition.

You mention the economic situation - this was caused by big government forcing high risk loans (Fannie Mae). Every major system the government gets into is bankrupt (SS, medicare, Post Office...). The facts are that when morality, decency, honesty, etc. were taught in schools, our country was a growing, thriving, place which helped to alleviate more world suffering than any other nation in history. We overproduced and shared it. America has a factual record of being the most generous nation in history. We even have over 100,000 of our own young men lying on foreign graves where they gave their lives to liberate the lands they are now residing in. What communist nation can say this?

I will keep an open mind since my philosophy in life has always been that when I think I know everything, this is the day I have not set foot out of kindergarten. But there also comes a time, after living hits you in the face with experiences, where you truly begin to believe that rain is wet whether you are inside looking out the window at it or whether you are outside in it getting soaked.

Obama and the progressive movement - as a whole - is just fulfillment of this statement by Kruschev, "“We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.”—Nikita Kruschev, former Soviet Premier/dictator."

And here is one by two co-founders of the liberal-media-loved ACLU:

“I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”—Roger Baldwin, leftist, anarchist, and Communist, was born in Wellesley MA and co-founded the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”— Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948, co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

Personal rights, personal ownership of property, personal liberties, are all attacked in the first stages of a communist takeover - which is socialism. It is no wonder public school children are Hardly (if ever) shown (the history proven truths of) the film "Animal Farm" anymore. It used to be prevalent in almost all schools. Now the people who stand for the corrupt principles it exposes are the ones in charge of teaching.

As is evidence by our young friend AnarchistAsion's posts, the youth are not being told the truth. George Orwell's 1984 is presently in the works.

[seandogue]

+1

[popeye1231]

+2

[AnarchistAsian]

ok..... but Obama isn't a socialist, people say he is, people think he is, but he isn't actually a socialist. Just because he believes everyone should be more equal and more everyone should have free health care doesn't make him a communist.

Communism isn't even as bad as propaganda made it look, it was just a way of making people equal, and what's so bad about that? It's not how i'd want to live, but just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad. Any system can fail, not just communism.... And Obama isn't even communist, so...

[lbrewer42]

 Communism is not all that bad?   Despite what the propaganda of the contemporary news media systems tout - history has proven the communist regimes which have been in existence are "all that bad" and worse!  Today it is politically incorrect for universities to teach communism as the evil monster it is.  Communist leaders have killed more innocent people than any other type of governmental leaders/system - the numbers are not only in the history books, but also in the diaries and eye witness accounts of those who witnessed the gross evils of this all-powerful, freedom-killing, indiviual-person-owning monster!

IF communism could be run in a perfect society where the leaders could somehow resist their absolute power corrupting them, then communism could work.  However, EVERY communist/socialist/fascist system that is in the history books has become a regime where the individual citizens become puppets of the state and are not even allowed to voice an opinion contrary to the powers-that-be without severe punishment. 

Yes, I am old enough to have friends who, thankfully, escaped the cruel USSR.  I know what their lives were like - and this is not just from one family.  I currently know of a young man in China (and his friends) who are followed by the police, have been arrested, and are not allowed to hold a job (aka, severe poverty for the rest of their lives as beggars)).  What was his (their) crime?  They prayed in public.  Whether you agree with praying or not is immaterial.  The fact that a government can arrest you and treat you like you did something as horrible as murder someone - just for silently bowing your head and praying - is the mark of what real-life communism has been proven to always turn into.

Why does communism stifle the individual?  here is a perfect picture of how it works.  If a teacher gave a test where Bill worked hard and got 100%, but Bob did no work and got an F.  The teacher, being of the mind to make everyone equal, takes half of Bill's A and gives it to Bob.
  The result:
Bill scores 2.5 out of a possible 4 - this rounds up to a C
Bob gets 2.5 free points and this makes his score also2.5 or a C.

The lesson learned:
Bill - why work to excel when its all stripped from me anyway - personal initiative and creativity are killed.
Bob - why work b/c putting out no effort is the same as working hard.

When the personal creativity/impetus of a man/society is dead, the system rots.  

The communist leaders like this as they then become the overseer of nothing but a passive group of sheep whose sole existence is to work, earn, and pad the leader's pockets with the fruits of their labors.  

This is history - this is not compatible with modern, politically correct fantasy that is fed to the educational system.  Remember - it was people wanting to escape form the communist-held side of the Berlin Wall to get out from under the oppression - and they were being killed for it.  No one was trying to get into the communist side - despite the utopia that current liberal philosophies try to paint it as.

And - one more thing - yes, President Obama is a self-stated socialist just like Mr. Clinton was.  However, the media paints it to look better by calling them social-democrats.  Also - get a good look at some of his close ties like Van Jones - this (recently ousted by citizen pressure) Obama-hand-picked "czar" was a self proclaimed, "radical" communist.

The communist party of America also has thrown its full support into the "Democratic" party since the days when Bush Sr. was running because, as the communists themselves say, the liberals are pushing their (the communist) agenda for them.

Here are some quotes:
1.  Roger Baldwin, a leftist; anarchist; communist; born in Wesley, MA; and co-founded the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said, "I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth.  Communism is the goal."

2.  Norman Thomas, Socialist Party presidential candidate in 1940, 1944, and 1948; co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said, "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism.  But under the name 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, [sic] without knowing how it happened."

3.  Nikita Kruschev, former Soviet Premier/dictator said, "We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism."

You see - historically liberalism was known by socialists/communists to be the way to infiltrate America to make it a communist country.

The modern education system & most mainstream media is run by liberals.  No wonder the evils of communism are not touted in schools or the news anymore.

[AnarchistAsian]

haha, you take the internet WAY too serious...

And by the way... You don't even know how a communism works, stupid. Because that's just, frankly, wrong.

[lbrewer42]

 What are your credentials on the subject - I am just curious?  I have a teaching degree and have been teaching classes on subjects in this area now for 20 years in 4 different schools.

I have had personal experiences for 30 years with personal friends who have/had - in their own words - escaped from the communist regimes because of how horrible it was to live where they were not allowed to make their own decisions.  I have had personal contacts with people still living within these regimes off and on over the past 30 years.  I quoted, directly, the people who are involved in the communist mindset who say they are desirous to control our nation.

If personal experiences, training, legitimate educational background, and direct quotations from those who are in the party and claim these very things are lacking legitimacy, I would be thankful to be enlightened.

 I am very aware that there are some liberal-bent texts and classes out there that would slant a persons thinking to thinking communism is not the great evil it is - but these are mostly contemporary texts which do not reflect any recorded, historical facts - only the ever growing  socialistic/communistic trends of liberal parties.  When only the opinions of people are used, fact is dead.  There are no recorded historical facts of communism ever producing anything but terror and poverty for the people in it.

BTW -  it would be a good idea for you to look up the term "ad hominem."  This will ad a great deal of legitimacy to your posts.  Your last post, by its nature - is an ad hominem reply which totally invalidates your post.  instead it affirms the validity of my post to you. 

And, although your ad hominem response, in any legitimate debating circle, would officially be recognized as invalid and proof positive you are not knowledgeable about that which you speak, I am willing to ignore it as, if there is anything you can show me as to where I have posted something not legitimate, I truly am willing to think about it.

Closing my mind to ideas because "I just know it is so" is a sure way I can commit myself to being "stupid."   

[AnarchistAsian]

Uhuh, i see, and i am a bored 13 year old boy...

But all i'm really saying is that Obama isn't doing wrong by this country... He did win the election by the way... I think the problem is all these people want Obama to fail so badly that they don't even realize that he's actually trying to do things that will help everyone. Everyone except for maybe, rich insurance company CEO's. And if a bored 13 year old boy can understand that and you can't... well...

[lbrewer42]

 Actually I do not think the problem is one of understanding.  

You see, I do think President Obama thinks he is doing right by this country.  I do not fault him for that.  Yes - I agree - he DID win the election.  And i thought it was great that we have a first non-white president (well sort of - at least half and half!).  It shows the American people can see that diversity has made us stronger. 

Think, for a minute, how much more wisdom and experience you have than someone who is 1/3 you age.  If i put you up against a 3 year old (roughly 3.5 year old actually), look at the insight and wisdom you have compared to them.  You KNOW from experience that certain things can, and cannot be done.  I do not know, specifically, what things you are good at - I am sure there are many.  Let's say you like playing Halo (my own teens love it).  If a 3 year old was playing against you - how fast would it take you to beat them?  We were all once 3 years old.  As life goes on, I am sure you can attest to the fact that you have a great deal more insight now into many things from when you were 3.  

You will find as you get older, if you keep your eyes open as it is apparent you want to, that life will continually get more and more complex as to what actually looks good and what actually works.  As an example, I congratulate you on your obviously understanding, and keeping an open mind to the error of employing an ad hominem approach.  I have had many adults - come face to face with this very term - who were totally unaware of the concept even after reading about it.  They continued in an ad hominem style and only dug themselves in deeper.  Their emotions were too much at the forefront of their thinking and it made them continue in error and totally defeated any legitimacy which they thought they were attaining.

One important thing to look for, in order to make it in this world, is something they refuse to teach in most schools ... just because we "feel" something is correct - it is not necessarily this way.  Nowadays people are taught to fight based on feelings - and they are led to believe anything they have been taught is correct - absolutely - and everything else is stupid.  This is how we get a brainwashed society who will call whatever the mainstream does as being good despite the fact they are giving up their own freedoms!  

The facts are that history records, over and over, that socialism leads to an elite few controlling everything for everyone.  We can ignore the facts and make the same mistake again, or we can call this wretched evil "good" and fall into the same trap with the result that our lives suffer for it.

Socialism looks very good on paper.  However, in reality - every time it has been employed, it eventually has led to a miserable situation for the common people because the upper echelons get greedy and the old adage, "absolute power corrupts absolutely" once again rears its ugly head and the system falls apart.

There is no crime, shame, or stupidity in being wrong (contrary to popular, and individual-erasing peer pressure).  You will find anyone who is successful will keep an open mind and, instead of saying, "I am right b/c someone told me so," will take all fact (important word there), and RESEARCH the subject themselves - while maintaining (as much as possible) a totally neutral feeling towards both sides of an issue until the facts bring out the truth.  Then it is time to re-evaluate their own position.

In other words, something totally contrary to our system of education nowadays - it is OK to say, "I was wrong - the facts show me this."  And I have had no problem with this - even when I made a mistake right in front of my classes with my own students - I have tried to be the first one to proclaim my errors!

This is why I quoted facts to you.  Facts from the people of the very mindset which president Obama associates with.  Do some research into some of the things his "Czars" have said.  You will be shocked at the reality of what his friends stand for - and he appoints them to powerful government positions.  As an example - Van Jones was a self-proclaimed "radical communist" who said we need to get rid of the Constitution.  Now tell me - at 13 you sure are smart enough to know that if this happens, freedoms of speech is out the window and forums like this get policed so you would have to fear anything and everything you say unless you parroted everything any current administration was saying was good.  Is this really what we want?

Back to the age thing.  I am 47.  Not everyone who is older than you is going to earn from experience and we all find those who are older but not wiser.  I am not claiming to be wiser than you since I do not know you personally (so how in the world can I make a claim I am wiser??).  This would be stupid as wisdom is defined as the application of knowledge.  I will claim that in my years of experience - first hand in some cases - with communism, that I have a larger data bank & more personal life experiences from which to draw logical conclusions & find the actuality of the situation.  The same as you have a data bank 3.46 times as large as someone a third of your age.  Again the final key to actually knowing the truth and making wise decisions is that a person makes sure their ideas/beliefs are based on fact/experience - ANYTHING but JUST emotional ties (as in, "I am right b/c someone told me so and this makes me right no matter what).  This is what breeds the ad hominem approach since a person who uses this errorfeels personally attacked than anyone would DARE say anything to the contrary.

I sure am glad people like the Wright Brothers, Edison, Jobs, Gates, Einstein, etc. etc. did not use this type of mindset.  Think about it.

And, once again, thanks for being able to overcome the ad hominem mindset - this shows maturity and the ability to reason which is uncommon nowadays - even in older people!

And, BTW - now that you understand it - look around and see how many people who discus things with you will resort to name calling instead of facts.  It will give you sort of a "cheat sheet" into knowing who is basing what they know on frivolous emotional desire rather than actual truth.  You come out the wiser.

[AnarchistAsian]

well i do agree socialism and communism just don't work... I just assumed you were stupid because most of the people who don't like Obama don't even know what socialism and communism are...

And uhh... Obama doesn't have firearm policy on his agenda... Health care, the economy, but have you actually heard anything about firearms?

Obama's doing better than a lot of other presidents... so uhh... yeah...

[lbrewer42]

 Actually he has been working on limitations on firearms with this concept of the National Gun Registry.  So just how many criminals actually used registered guns anyway?  Very few.  They might use a  stolen gun which is registered - then the person who it was stolen from gets in trouble.  So an innocent victim gets sued b/c someone stole his property when the gun is tracked back to who originally purchased it - how would you like to be in this situation?  Besides - the facts are the highest crime rates are in cities with the strictest gun laws and vice versa.  The statistics of highest murder rates, etc. follow this concept also.

There is also a meeting in Copenhagen coming up where they are going to be discussing movement towards global gun control - the UN Small Arms Treaty.  The president is in favor of signing on with this.  The ultimate goal is to register, ban, and, ultimately, collect privately owned firearms.  The proposition is being put under an umbrella said to be fighting against terrorism.  It will be unconstitutional to agree to this as the Constitution, itself, says no laws shall supersede the Constitution.  But, there are already unconstitutional laws in place that violate this.  Such as the law - at least in PA which puts a 10,000 fine on anyone transporting certain chemicals [such as Hydrochloric acid] in a non-UN stamped/recognized box.  The PA State police are deputized by the UN to enforce this.  how do I know?  Being a chemistry teacher, I drove to a chemical company to get some supplies for class.  When I asked what the "UN" seal on the box was for I was informed of this law.  According to our Constitution - no other law making force other than that of the US may have jurisdiction in our states over us.  Well - until someone takes all of this to court and produces the Constitution as their law, the UN is acting as if it has permission.  And, BTW, the list grows slowly every year as to what has to have a UN stamp of approval!

As to doing a better job, I do not know in what specific areas you are saying this has happened.  So I cannot comment on this.

I do not blame him entirely for the bad economy as President Bush signed the first so-called stimulus package - and it was the liberal-majority congress and Senate under President Bush who passed the laws for how the economy would eventually tun out in the years President Bush was in office.  Our job base was also undercut by how slack authorities have been in allowing illegal (why do we forget the meaning of this word?) immigrants in the country - this also was happening all during the last liberal-legistlative-dominated administration of government (and although President bush did not claim to be liberal - he did not do much to help in this issue).

I do know I agree with statements made by a 95 year old, WWII Vet in Hawaii - Harold Estes.  please note I have left numerous grammatical errors in place in the following quotations from this man who has lived in the golden years of what America was.  He wrote to the president and said,
"I can't figure out what country you are the president of.  You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like: 'we are no longer a Christian nation,' 'America is ignorant - (Your wife even announced to the word, "America is mean-spirited," Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.) ... 
After 9/11 you said America hasn't lived up to her ideals.  Which ones did you mean?  Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers dies for to win independence from the british?  Or maybe the ideal that no man should be slave to another man that 500,000 med died for in the Civil War?  I hope you didn't mean the 470,000 fathers, husbands, and i lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, b/c we felt really strong about not letting a nation push us around b/c we stand for freedom.  I do not think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination.  You know the one that awhole [sic] lot of white people understood when they helped you get elected. ... You were elected o lead not to bow [a reference to him bowing to the Muslim king and not the British queen - of which he should bow to no one as a world leader - my note], apologize, and kiss the hand of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.
And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded a dozen more.  You mean you do not want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts who was putting up a fight?  You don't mind offending the police by calling them stupid, but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.   ... You could be our greatest president b/c you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.  You're not going o restore American greatness by bringing nack our bloated economy.  That's not our greatest threat.  Losing the heart and soul of ho we are as Americans is our big fight right now.  And I sure [expletive deleted] don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle.  Sincerely, Harold B. Estes"

[AnarchistAsian]

Well think about it this way... what's more important? Your pride as an American, or somebody's life? America has one of the highest crime rates and loosest gun control laws. Maybe he's not doing it the way you want, but it's better than people dying. But if you think your pride is more important...

[lbrewer42]

 Actually the murder rate in the US is currently at .042802 per 1000 people.  Sounds bad - and it is - but then we look at other places.  Lets take a classic example of using the former USSR and the communist states which were a part of this union.  I looked on the same international ratings list online (nationmaster.com) where I got the above figure.  Reading down the list I picked out the first couple of Soviet states that caught my eye.  The Ukraine has 0.094006 per 1000, Russia has .201534, and Georgia has .0511011 per 1000 people.

Despite what the media in our country wants us to believe, the facts of the matter, proven, again, by history is that when a criminal knows a gun is on the premises of a potential target, he will overlook that place and move on to easier pickingst.  Crime - again - is highest in the US cities with the strictest gun laws.  

These former soviet countries do not even allow their people to have any sort of guns and their murder rates are double to 4 times higher than the US rate.  And, their populations are even smaller than the US!

The Japanese, on WWII were very hesitant to attempt an invasion on our shores.  One of the reasons they gave is that they knew every house had the potential of having weapons in it.  They said they knew any army would be cut to ribbons in a very short time.  

The personal ownership of guns is not the problem.  As is proven by the above facts - guns are not needed for crime levels to be high.  The person who wants to kill will do it any way they can.

And one more thing to remember - a lot of murder in the US is not even done with a firearm.  Because most of this goes on every night in the big cities with the strictest gun laws!  

The problem is liberal minded lawmakers think we are too harsh on criminals and things like the death sentence are not implemented.  Look up the number of killers who get life sentence, are paroled after a few years, and go out ti kill other innocent people!  Tell the first victim's parents the criminal deserved to be out on the streets again!  Then try to tell the second victim's parents that the criminal just needed more rehabilitation time in prison.  This should make things alright then - correct?

 You see - when values as to the ones who need protection (personal and otherwise) are misplaced, maybe even by people who mean well, the innocent suffer.

As to pride:
Despite what modern media and some schools like to teach (BTW - liberal are pretty much the ones writing the textbooks and controlling teacher's unions - remember - I am a teacher), the pride Americans should have in their own country is well justified by the facts of history as listed in the above letter from Mr. Estes.  We have fed, clothed, and died for a good deal of the world many times.  And we did not HAVE to!  However, no country we were helping ever complained about us either!  We are the most generous in giving aid.  Outside of our own media - in other countries - and I have spent time in a good many - I always found myself welcome as an American b/c they wanted money - yes - but after talking for awhile I did not find a person who was negative towards the USA.  In fact, the general people on the street were grateful for our record of making life easier for everyone that we could.  

Did you know the national capitol of Canada - the city of Ottawa, Ontario, actually closed down after 9/11 for a long ceremony one day just so they could have a memorial service for the people who lost their lives in the World Trade Center Towers?  Can you imagine - a country's national capitol shutting down out of respect and support for us?  This should have been front page news - but, no - the media buried it - it was just too patriotic and against their concept of trying to lead Americans to think we are all evil.

And, btw - Mr. Clinton was the one who signed into law a bill that helped the terrorist at Ft. Hood recently.  The liberal mindset during his administration passed a law saying firearms were not allowed to be carried by the (trained) personal on a military base!  So look at who the ONLY one who had a gun was - the terrorist who shot those Americans!  The criminal found a way!  I will guarantee if those soldiers would have been carrying their personal arms as enlisted people should be able to - the guy who murdered them would:

1.  Have been smart enough not to try to shoot others who could point guns back at him.

2.  Would have been dead if he had been crazy enough to start shooting.

Yet you watch - the gun control advocates will not stress this point just as the media is trying to cover up that this recent terrorist was yelling Jihad phrases as he was shooting and personally claimed to be a soldier of Allah!

And, one more time - note the truth of the matter is overlooked by those wishing to limit guns - it was ONLY the criminal - at this time - who had one!  He got one despite the law saying they could not be carried on base and were to be locked up!  Strinct gun control laws led to innocents being murdered.  The innocent victims were just sitting ducks and he knew it.  I am sure criminals love this type of situation!

The criminal mind will ALWAYS find a way - these statistics prove it - our media hates it and covers it up.  Can you imagine the headlines the way they should have been and would have been had the liberal concepts not been in place?
Ft. Hood Jihadist tried to go on a shooting spree but an armed soldier took him down before he could kill anyone.

You know - from your responses, i see you have a good mind for reasoning.  Take this to the next level.  The facts that I have listed for you in the postings are easily available.  No, you will not see them in the newspaper normally.  You will not see them on the nightly news (which I do not watch anyway).  Look online for non-mainstream related information.  The fact of the matter is the news media has had a liberal mindset for years.  They changed from being reporters to propagandists a long time ago.  Anytime a reporter states their own opinion of a situation, they have gone from being a reporter to being someone trying to sway public opinion.

A recent example is the "tea party" that was held against President Obama's healthcare concept.  The DC police themselves estimated there were 1.7 million people there.  A video hit the web from someone on a rooftop videoing the largest crowd ever assembled to protest in DC.  And it was mixed Democrats and Republicans - not just one party.  Yet the newspapers first tried to get away with saying "a few thousand."  As pressure mounted, the figures in the papers began to rise - because they saw the public was more educated than what they wanted them to be.

Do not just take what people tell you as the truth.  Research it for yourself.  But do it the right way - research BOTH sides of the issue.  Then see which one the statistics/history/gacts support.  Do not get your info from only one source - get many.  I actually find it a good thing to watch the BBC news of America to see what a foreigner's take is on situations here.  Many, many times they report very different things they see going happening at the same functions our own liberl-slanted news media does.  Not b/c they do not understand things - I mean they do not censor as much of what is said to make it fit a mindset they want to get across.  Also look for places that watch the media.  We need both sides to find he middle ground where the truth is.

[AnarchistAsian]

yeah... i don't know why you waste your time making such long replies, i don't even read all of them...

anyways, this conversation isn't going anywhere... so uh...

[lbrewer42]

 Yes - actual facts are too tedious to deal with.  Lets all join the herd :^)


Just remember that making a point based with what you feel - rather than facts will make sure you help those who would want to control you.