Introduction: Add Dual Rates to a Transmitter's Channel
Being able to control the maximum travel or endpoint of a channel is commonly called dual rates. On an airplane, it can be used to limit the travel of a control surface to make the aircraft more controllable for landing and take off. Then they can be expanded for aerobatics. On a surface vehicle, it might be used to limit the steering travel so that it doesn't make sharp turns and spin out. I originally found this guide in relation to a sail winch, but I can only guess at the utility in that application since I don't operate RC sail craft.
My personal usage of it is as a throttle endpoint adjustment. Many radios come with steering dual rates, but most of those don't also allow for throttle dual rates. My main reason for controlling throttle endpoints is to allow my young son to drive, he simply doesn't understand variable throttle and holds the trigger at wide open throttle all the time. It also makes casual driving nicer and of course is useful when letting someone else drive for the first time. I started out modifying two of the cheap transmitters that come with the 1/16 Traxxas E-Revo and Summit, a TQ. I then did it to the TQi that came with my full size Summit and most recently (for this article), a pair of Spekrum DX4S radios. These photos show the finished product, as you can see you'll end up with the knob of a potentiometer sticking out the side which you can dress up however you like.
The original idea: Transmitter Modification to add end adjustment for sail servo and a post in this forum thread titled Help!! technical Help Needed - Rate Switches
Step 1: Required Items
- Adjustment - 10k or 5k ohm linear potentiometer.
- Trim - 2.5k, 1k or 500 ohm linear potentiometer.
I've used three different types of 10k ohm potentiometers successfully for adjustment. On the throttle channel, 10k works very well and I'm able to turn it down low enough that my cars barely move. For steering, I'd use 5k since going straight isn't very useful. I've also only used single turn potentiometers, but a multi turn might be interesting. Most recently, 3310C-101-103L-ND because it has a small shaft and I hoped to put a knob on it. Previous to that, 987-1279-ND because it has a nice big shaft that just acts as the knob. I also used 987-1382-ND (which has detents) with the idea of having the main shaft act as throttle dual rates and the secondary shaft act as steering dual rates. But steering dual rates weren't important enough to bother with, so I never used the secondary shaft. Of these three, I prefer the first for the small size and the second for looking good and being easy to use. I wouldn't bother with the third. Any linear 10k or 5k ohm potentiometer will work, feel free to browse Digi-Key or your favorite electronics supplier and find the best one for your application. Go to town with Digi-Key's Rotary Potentiometers - Linear section, but be sure to filter the list down to only the values you want... and even then, the list is overwhelming.
For the trim potentiometer, I've tried 10k and 5k ohm so far and they're too much and it ends up being extremely sensitive. The problem with both 10k and 5k is that the range used is probably 1/10th of the total range so adjustment is very finicky. But I don't have anymore transmitters to modify, so I'm not sure what would be perfect. If I were you, I'd take a risk and order a 1k and 500 ohm potentiometer instead. And of course, the original article even suggests a 1k ohm trim potentiometer. Here I've also only used single turn devices, but a multi turn would probably be perfect for this application due to the higher precision. Most recently, I got 3386F-502TLF-ND because it has a nice, easy to turn knob. But this is a 5k trim pot, I only recommend the style. I would probably get 3386P-102TLF-ND, a 1k or 3386F-1-501TLF-ND, a 500 ohm potentiometer. At Digi-Key look in their Trimmer Potentiometers section and make judicious use of their filters to only show what you need.
You'll also need wire, shrink wrap, a soldering iron, screw drivers, scissors, and who knows what other tools.
Step 2: Disassemble Your Transmitter
In my opinion, the hardest part is disassembling your current transmitter. In the case of the DX4S, there are a number of screws hidden under stick on decals. In the case of the TQ and TQi, it was simpler since none of the screws were hidden.
Step 3: Find the Potentiometer for Your Channel
On this DX4S, I had to remove the trigger mechanism to see it's potentiometer and the connections. Then, because the wires weren't obviously marked, I had to figure them out. The wiper is easy, it is in the middle. To figure out which edge is positive and which is negative, you'll need a multimeter. In my case, positive is the green wire on the right, negative is orange on the left and yellow is signal. In the TQ and TQi, the wires were red and black, making identification trivial.
Step 4: Crude Schematic and Written Description of Connections
The above image from wikiHow's article on wiring a potentiometer should help identify which leg is 1, 2 and 3.
The diagram doesn't point out the existing connection on the main pot because it doesn't matter, you're not going to change this. The trim pot will simply piggyback its positive and negative connection.
Potentiometers:
- Main Pot - This is the potentiometer connected to the trigger or stick, the one already in your transmitter
- Adjustment Pot - This is the potentiometer that you'll use to adjust the dual rates.
- Trim Pot - This potentiometer will center everything so that the midpoint doesn't move when the adjustment potentiometer is changed.
Connections, as text:
- Adjustment Pot Pin 1 <--> Main Pot Pin 2
- Adjustment Pot Pin 2 <--> PCB signal input (former location of Main Pot Pin 2)
- Adjustment Pot Pin 3 <--> Trim Pot Pin 2
- Trim Pot Pin 1 <--> PCB negative (piggyback with Main Pot)
- Trim Pot Pin 3 <--> PCB positive (piggyback with Main Pot)
For me, looking at the diagram wasn't very helpful. Even reading all the text at once didn't help. They key for me was to look at just one thing and make that connection. Then move on to the next. By the end, everything is connected and you're set. For me, a combination of the pictures and text is what helped the most. For each transmitter modified after the first, I'd just open one up and copy the wiring. It was easier for me than trying to decipher the original description I found of this on the internet.
Step 5: Prepare the Adjustment and Trim Potentiometers
I start with the adjustment potentiometer and I'm using servo wire, so I put black on 1 and red on 3. I use yellow for signal on the wiper, 2. I've got heat shrink tubing on the legs, just in case. The trim potentiometer gets black on 1 and red on 3, this one will eventually be hooked up to positive and negative power. Finally, red from the adjustment potentiometer's leg 3 goes to the trim potentiometer's wiper, leg 2.
Step 6: Wire the Adjustment and Trim Potentiometer Into the Transmitter
This step finally involves modifying the electronics of your transmitter. You'll disconnect the wiper / signal wire from the existing potentiometer and connect it to leg 1 (black) of the adjustment potentiometer. You could wire it directly, but I've found the existing wire just isn't long enough to work with.
The wiper (leg 2) from the adjustment potentiometer replaces the main wiper connection on the circuit board.
And finally, from the trim pot, pin 1 (negative) connects to ground and pin 3 (positive) connects to positive on the PCB where the main pot is connected. It is a piggy back on the existing connection rather than a replacement. That might be a little hard to tell from the pictures.
Edit: In one of the images above, the blue Trim Pot is mislabeled Adjustment Pot.
Step 7: Trimming Dual Rates With the Trim Pot
I think the second hardest part is getting it trimmed. If you have a computer radio, you can put it into monitor mode and watch the channel involved. If you don't, you'll need to hook up a servo to the channel in question to watch for movement. I actually did all my non-computer radios with throttle hooked to the ESC and the car on the ground. Obviously, this can go terribly wrong... but if you're lazy like me, it is easier than pulling out a receiver and a servo.
To start with, put the trim pot close to the center of its travel range. Now, twist the adjustment pot to either one of its extremes. Move the main pot between extremes, in my pistol radio example this is the trigger. If the servo or monitor doesn't move much, you're at the minimum dual rate setting. If it moves all the way, you're at the extreme. Keep that in mind.
The goal for the trim pot is to have the center point not move while you're turning the adjustment pot. You'll need to move the adjustment pot back and forth while you fine tune the trim pot. Eventually, you'll get to a point where the servo doesn't move or the monitor barely changes. Once you're there, you're done with the trim pot.
Step 8: Drill a Hole and Reassemble
The hard part is done. Now just pick a spot and drill a hole that is the right diameter for your adjustment potentiometer, stick it through and tighten down the nut that holds it in place. I'd suggest mounting it on the half with all the electronics so that you can take it apart without a bunch of wires keeping the halves together.
Reassembly will of course be the reverse of disassembly. Pay careful attention to wires inside and make sure they don't get crushed or cut by any of the pieces that come together. You should tuck the trim pot inside somewhere it won't get bumped by moving parts and ruin the adjustment.
I like to give everything a little test during parts of reassembly, to make sure it is coming together correctly. That way, if something went wrong you'll find it before you get everything back together.
14 Comments
5 years ago
I'm trying to make a sense of this mechanism. It seems that the only way this would work is, in general, an RC transmitter throttle pot, will read lowest resistance as full throttle, and highest resistance for braking/reverse. This way, the first pot adds to the throttle pot resistance making the car goes backward. The trim pot seems like it should be a parallel resistor to the throttle pot (or both throttle pot + trim pot??), calibrating the center position to be the same as original resistance of the throttle's pot center. How would that work?? That parts seems to be confusing as hell.
Reply 5 years ago
I'll be totally honest, I couldn't explain how or why this works if my life depended on it. I found a handful of sources on the internet that helped me do this initially and they were hard enough to understand that I thought a guide would be useful, even if just for myself later.
The end result after adding the pots and getting the trim pot right is that center stays at "0" ish and the end point goes from almost zero to maximum. It works on any channel, doesn't have to be throttle or even a sprung channel. As long as you get the trim pot right, it just ends up limiting the travel.
Reply 5 years ago
yes, this method works on the basis of changing resistance ranges of the original pot, with serial and paralel resistors (or pots). I've tried it and it works, albeit it requiring independent pots for changing the total resistance and changing the center resistance value.
there is another method which works on the basis of voltage divider, in which it's more aligned with the way the sensor works -- reading the voltage. that mechanism puts an identical resistors (or pots) on both positive and ground ends of the original pot, virtually acting as voltage divider on both endpoints of the original pot. the advantages is that you can use (a well balanced) stereo pots which means adjustment will only need a single pot. I have yet to try this method but this seems more elegant with the use of just a single pot.
Reply 3 years ago
I tried this, and it simply did not work ... I have no idea why. All I could do is limit the forward motion, but at the same time lose all backward motion.
So I just followed the instructions instead, and hey presto.
Reply 4 years ago
I believe the problem w/ using an audio pot is that they're logarithmic instead of linear. But it certainly would be nice to *not* have that second pot in there.
Reply 5 years ago
I see, you really would need a well balanced dual potentiometer to do that. And you couldn't use a standard volume one since they're logarithmic instead of linear.
It also sounds a ton easier to wire! I think I could wire it w/o any instructions! :)
Reply 4 years ago
I have to admit, I just don't understand how or why it works. I totally got this from a few other sites and just copied it and documented it. It works, obviously. I wish I understood electronics enough to understand *why*.
Question 3 years ago on Step 8
This is awesome, Ive made my kid an ebike with a servo tester built into a throttle to control the esc, but i'd like to try put two pots wired into it so i can make him a brake lever that will give him regenerative braking. is it possible to have one pot that goes full throw like normal and another pot that will pull it from middle to zero, i guess to some extent thats what your trim pots are doing? https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4270258
Here's my design for the thumb throttle. the bike works amazing at the moment but as its a small strider it didnt come with brakes.
Thanks!
Jimmy
Reply 3 years ago
I'm *terrible* at understanding electronics... but I think what you'd want is one pot controlling 0-100 (throttle) and the other controlling -100-0. No idea how you'd achieve that though. You *might* be able to achieve it *mechanically* w/ one pot. You'd just have some mechanical setup where the throttle twist pulls the pot from middle to 100% and the brake handle would pull from middle to -100%.
Question 4 years ago
Hey can someone help me add dual rates on my ctx8000 of my carisma gt24b , I did it easily on my wltoys but on this transmitter it works like a throttle trim and not a dual rates , thanks !
Reply 4 years ago
Super late, but it kind of sounds like maybe you got it hooked up wrong or picked the wrong wires? If I actually *understood* how it worked, I could help. But I'm a big dummy and just don't grok how it manages to do it. Sorry!
8 years ago on Step 4
If I want to add an inverter switch to restore the connections to default, it would switch the center wire between the adj. pot and the PCB. But the trim pot will remain connected in parallel to the main pot. Won't this affect the channel behaviour even if the dual rate is disengaged?
Reply 5 years ago
I'm sorry for the super late replay, but when the adjustment pot is at max, the dual rates *are* disengaged, it doesn't limit the maximum travel. A switch isn't needed. But if you *did* add one, maybe you could add a double one and set it up so it breaks the trim pots connection? But again, I just wouldn't bother adding a switch to it.
9 years ago on Introduction
Maaaan I'd love to get some experience flying model aircraft. They look like so much fun.