Balanced Piezo Contact Microphones

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Introduction: Balanced Piezo Contact Microphones

About: I am creating interactive installations and performances. Inviting the spectator to participate in various ways I use any media possible to bring "the idea" to life. Electronics, computers, wood, rope, water…

At the illutron art ship, we are using a lot of piezo elements to make contact microphones and hydrophones (underwater microphones)

Piezo elements can be a noise nightmare. And if you are using the piezos for hydrophones, to capture underwater sound, the noise can be even more challenging, unless you get everything very well sealed.

We came up with a trick, to get a balanced signal from piezos:

Simply using two piezo elements sandwiched, back to back, you can generate a balanced signal, that will be completely noise free.

Step 1: How to Make It

You need

  • 2 normal piezo elements
  • Microphone cable
  • XLR plug

Connecting

  • Sandwich the two piezos "belly-to-belly" (crystal and wires in, metal out)
    • We just use a wad of normal silicone sealant in-between the piezos (Think Oreos)
  • Join black wire from Piezo A to red wire from Piezo B and connect to Gnd on your xlr / microphone-cable
  • Connect the red wire from piezo A to + (hot) and the black from piezo B to - (cold) on your xlr / microphone-cable
  • Connect a XLR-plug to the other end of your cable

Step 2: Try Your Noise Free Contact Microphones

Plug the xlr-connector into the balanced input of a mixer or recorder, and enjoy the crisp clear noise free sound from your piezos.

This vimeo video have sound recordings using the balanced contact microphones: https://vimeo.com/472428276

Headphones are recommeneded - Enjoy! :-)

More about the singing strings here : christian.liljedahl.dk/strings-singing-in-a-stream/

Experience so far

  • The sound from the piezos are very clear and noise free
  • The oscilloscope have verified, that the output truely is balanced
  • The piezo microphone is very sensitive and responsive.

As hydrophones

I tried this piezo-design out as hydrophones. I could just stick them in the water and get sound. I didn't even care to waterproof them, and they worked perfectly and noiselessly under water too.

So, for quick and dirty underwater microphones, just sandwich two piezos like this and dump them in the pond.

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43 Comments

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Xiqils
Xiqils

2 months ago

Does this need phantom power? I will use this with my Zoom F3 recorder and the Zoom provides 24V or 48V phantom power

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ChristianL4
ChristianL4

Reply 2 months ago

No phantom power needed. I have used them often with my own Zoom recorder.

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Xiqils
Xiqils

Reply 2 months ago

Thank you. I will definitely try them soon. I was wondering if the same principle could work for a PIP recorder (sony A10) where the TRS jack is soldered as shows in the attached picture

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chrlilje
chrlilje

Reply 2 months ago

The Sony PCM-A10 has a stereo input jack. Tip and ring are left and right channel I believe.
You can absolutely record with the setup you have sketched, but you will not get the benefit of the noise cancellation of a true balanced input (XLR)

But since you get two channels in (left / right) you could probably gain some noise cancelling in post by subtracting the two channels.

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Xiqils
Xiqils

Reply 2 months ago

Oh, I see. I will try it with XLR. Thanks again for sharing valuable information. Have a nice day

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deekai
deekai

Question 9 months ago on Introduction

Hi! Great project! What is the output impedance and resonance frequency of the piezo disks you used? Apparently, impedance varies from kOhm to mOhm, resonance can go up to several kHz. I guess for mic pre a impedance in the kOhm range would be better? Or did you use the instrument input with mOhm input impedance? Any help very welcome. Thanks in advance, D

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chrlilje
chrlilje

Answer 9 months ago

I must admit, that I have no idea about the impedance of the disks we used. The piezos came from a large batch we got from somewhere in Asia. They were quite cheap.
I never tried to measure the exact impedance.
We usually just plug them into the microphone (xlr) input of any mixer and crank up the gain to something that works :-)

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sam.bronstein
sam.bronstein

Question 1 year ago on Introduction

This is great! Can you share the sample sounds some other way? Link isn’t working :)

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chrlilje
chrlilje

Answer 1 year ago

Ah, thanks - Looks like my friend have deleted it from Soundcloud. I will ask him tomorrow if he can dig it out from somewhere :-)

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nortok00
nortok00

Question 1 year ago

Hello. I came across this project while searching for diy contact mics and really want to try this. I'm new so forgive the newbie question.

The only part I don't understand is wiring the cables (XLR and microphone). Are we choosing to wire just one of the cables (so choose the XLR cable or choose the microphone cable depending on the needs) or are we wiring the piezo and both of the cables together? I understand your wiring schematic for one cable but not wiring both. Reading the instructions hasn't clarified and none of your pictures show the cables in detail. Can you clarify?

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chrlilje
chrlilje

Answer 1 year ago

Hi nortok00 - I am not sure I fully understand your doubts, but i'll try to clarify.
I use XLR cable and microphone cable in a confusing way I think.
A microphone cable usually have an male XLR plug in the end.
In the other end of the microphone cable, we attach our two piezo disks.

The XLR plug goes into a mixer, typically, or directly into an active speaker sometimes.

You will use 2 piezo disks for 1 microphone cable with 1 male XLR plug in the end.

I have attached an image of the finished piezo, hopefully this will also clarify.

Do let me know if you have further questions, and I will try to answer as good at I can.

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nortok00
nortok00

Reply 1 year ago

Thank you! Now I understand (or hope I do). So it's just one cable I'm buying and not two? That would make sense. In your list of things needed I thought it was a microphone cable and an XLR cable and that had me confused as to how these would be wired to the piezo.

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chrlilje
chrlilje

Reply 1 year ago

You just need 1 cable. The microphone cable has 3 conductors inside. A shield (ground wire), a red and a white wire. Those are the ones I refer to in the drawing :-)

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nortok00
nortok00

Reply 1 year ago

Excellent! Thanks. This makes perfect sense now and I'm excited to attempt this project!

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ChristianL4
ChristianL4

Answer 1 year ago

Hi nortok00 - I am not sure I fully understand your doubts, but i'll try to clarify.
I use XLR cable and microphone cable in a confusing way I think.
A microphone cable usually have an male XLR plug in the end.
In the other end of the microphone cable, we attach our two piezo disks.

The XLR plug goes into a mixer, typically, or directly into an active speaker sometimes.

You will use 2 piezo disks for 1 microphone cable with 1 male XLR plug in the end.

I have attached an image of the finished piezo, hopefully this will also clarify.

Do let me know if you have further questions, and I will try to answer as good at I can.

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DickT7
DickT7

Question 3 years ago on Introduction

What is the black washer looking piece on the outside?

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chrlilje
chrlilje

Answer 1 year ago

A little late reply, but the black plastic disk around the piezos are just the way our piezos came from the factory. They have no electrical purpose, but I could imagine they make the piezo a bit more sturdy.

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bergamotewilks
bergamotewilks

5 years ago

I did the soldering, then didn't have silicone so stuck the piezos together with blue tack and it works, finaly a buzz free sound, thanks a million!
I was wondering, it is important to make sure that the metal discs don't touch each other, isn't it?

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chrlilje
chrlilje

Reply 5 years ago

We have done different configurations - Sometimes back to back or side by side with the two piezos. As MikB points out - The most important thing is, that the white disks does not touch each other in the middle.

Our reasoning for putting the metal disks outside and to ground was, that this would effectively extend the cable shield all the way out and around the piezos, giving the best possible protection against noise.

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MikB
MikB

Reply 5 years ago

Yes it is: As shown above, the gold/brass discs are electrically connected to each other as "ground". But when physically mounted, the "white" discs are apparently next to each other. If these touch they will short out the signal.