Build an Electronic Polyhedral Die




Introduction: Build an Electronic Polyhedral Die

About: He's just this guy, you know?

Dice are fun. Polyhedral dice used in D & D are even more fun, particularly in big handfuls of different sizes. But a handful isn't always practical.

Ever since I saw the dragon bone electronic die wand advertised in the back pages of Dragon magazine when I was a kid, I wanted an electronic device to act as a substitute for all my dice.

This device won't substitute for the tactile feel of rolling a handful of funny dice, but its great for traveling games and is a fun project as an introduction to soldering and micro controllers. Having one of these proclaims to all your geek friends that you are another kind of geek entirely.

If you like this, please vote for it in the laser challenge. The box is pretty enough, but if I had a laser cutter I would make my own in the shape of a 12 sided die, cutting the sides out of acrylic with a precision that I could never achieve on my own.

Please see the notes in step 15 for more of my thoughts on what I would do with a laser cutter if I were to win the contest.

Step 1: What You Need

You will need the following tools:
  • Soldering iron.
  • Dremel and/or other tools to cut and shape the enclosure if needed.
  • Diagonal cutters.
  • Hot glue gun (optional).
  • Vice or Helping Hands to hold the board while soldering (optional, but highly recommended).
  • Multimeter for testing.
  • USBTinyISP or other AVR programmer to program the firmware. See step 10 for other options.
Electronics (Prices in US $ from
1-AtTiny2313 microcontroller -- $1.85
1-20 pin dip socket -- $0.17 (optional, for AtTiny 2313)
1-tilt switch -- $1.51
1-Pushbutton switch -- $0.91 (Use any momentary pushbutton you like).
1-20 mm battery holder -- $0.91 (for cr2032 battery)
2-33 ohm resistor -- 2 X $0.10 = $0.20
1cr2032 20 mm 3 V coin cell battery -- $0.45 (these are ridiculously expensive in stores)
1-2 X 3 break off pin header -- $0.10 (For ISP)
1-eDice printed circuit board -- ~1.6 square inches = $?? (Depends on how you get it printed)
1-Common cathode 2 digit 7 segment displays (red) -- $1.57 (Also comes in Yellow, Green and Blue)
Total = $7.22 + board cost and optional enclosure.

Other Materials:
  • Solder.
  • Wire (for connecting button and battery)
  • Glue (I prefer hot) to attach device in optional enclosure.
  • Small bit of heat shrink tubing.
  • The optional box or other object you are mounting the die in.

Step 2: Print the Board

Skip this step if you somehow already have a board.

Unless you got the board as part of a kit (not yet available, but maybe someday) you will need to have it printed.

For a long and wordy description of how to get a board printed (along with links to even more articles on the subject) see step two of my other article "Build an electronic score keeper".

The board file in eagle format is included in the attached "" file.

If you don't want to bother with the hassle of formatting the board for printing, you can order it right from BatchPCB for $5. Unfortunately there is a $10 setup fee per order and a shipping charge, so unless you are ordering other boards at the same time, this is a bit pricy.

I have three copies on order from dorkbotpdx in purple for $8.05, I'm excited to see how it turns out.

This board is small enough to qualify for the 10 (5 of tested for printing errors) for $10 deal from I am also waiting for those to arrive from china for evaluation.

Do you have to print the board? No, the board is technically optional, you could wire all this by hand. But it's not easy or pretty. See the pictures in the notes step for the original hand wired prototype.

Step 3: Solder the Chip

This project does not have very complicated soldering requirements and would be a good project for a beginner. Still, if you have never soldered before check out "How-to-solder" for a good overview of the process.

Start by soldering the ATTINY2313 micro-processor to the TOP of the board. This is the side with most of the writing and where everything except the display will go.

The chip will have a notch on one end that should be lined up with the notch in the outline printed on the board. It is very important to not put it in backwards, or else you will find yourself having to unsolder 20 connections at once which is not fun.

The pins on the chip will probably be spread too wide to fit in the holes. If this is the case, lay the chip on it's side on a flat surface and GENTLY press down to bend all the pins uniformly a degree or two. Flip over and repeat on the side.

Odds are the chip will stick in the board by friction when you flip the board over to solder the contacts. If not, just bend pins from two opposite corners where they stick out of the bottom of the board. This will hold the board in place while you solder all twenty pins.

Excessive heat can damage the chip so try not to leave the soldering iron on any of the pins for more than three seconds or so.

If soldering the chip makes you nervous you can instead solder on a 20 pin socket to put the chip in later. This can make it difficult to program the chip later since the socket may interfere with the programming pins.

The chip is the microprocessor that runs the software to turn the device into a die. It controls each of the LEDs that make up the display and turns them on accordingly. It also reads the state of the buttons to know when to change to a new number.

Step 4: Solder the Resistors

Place the two 33 ohm resistors through the top of the board in places labeled R1 and R2.  The orientation doesn't matter, though I like to make the stripes line up for a more uniform look.

Splay the leads out on the bottom so the resistors don't fall out when you flip over the board.

Turn the board over and solder the four leads where they stick out of the bottom.

After you have soldered them all use the cutters to cut off the excess leads.  These little bits of wire will tend to fly off at supersonic speeds right into your eye when you cut them, so be sure to hold onto the ends with your other hand when cutting them.

The resistors control the brightness of the display and protect each of the LEDs from burning out by limiting the amount of current that can flow through them.  There is one for each digit.

Step 5: Solder the ISP Header (potentially Optional)

Solder the little 2X3 row of pins to the area on the board marked JP4.  Orientation does not matter, but make sure the short ends are the ones that go through the board, as shown in the picture.

You will probably have to hold the pins in with your finger (or third hand) while you solder the first one.  If you do, make sure you don't apply the soldering iron for more than a few seconds or the pin might heat up and burn you or your helper.

Once you have one pin soldered on you can let go and solder the other five without support.

The ISP (In System Programmer) header is used to program the chip.  If your chip is pre-programmed and you never intend to change it, this part could be left off.  Some people leave ISP headers off anyway and just press them temporarily in with their fingers whenever they want to reprogram.

Step 6: Solder the Display

This step is a little unusual in that you need to solder the display onto the BOTTOM* of the board.

Note that once you do this, it will be impossible to solder in or change the orientation of the chip, so it's very important to do this step in the proper order, AFTER the chip has been added.  This is because the display will actually cover up the bottom of the chip.

Like the chip, the display has two ways it can fit, but only one way it MUST go.  Printed on the bottom of the board is a picture of the display which can be used to line it up properly.  One corner is marked differently than the others and it is this corner that the pin marked 1 on the display must go.  This pin is the lower left one when looking at the display from the front.

The pins on the display will not hold it into board by friction, and the pins are too stiff to bend.  Fortunately the display is wide and flat, so you can just lay the display on its back on your table and let gravity pull the board onto it while you solder.  As before, solder two opposite corners to hold it in place.  After that you can put it back into your vice to finish soldering the other 16 pins.

* When you are done, this will actually be the top of the device, but it's called the bottom since it's where the bottom of all of the other components are soldered.

Obviously, the display is what shows the results of the die roll.  By putting it on the bottom of the board, the entire device can be smaller and the display is not surrounded by distracting components. This also helps with mounting the display flush in an enclosure.

Step 7: Solder the Power Connections

Solder a one and a half inch piece wire onto each of the pins on the battery holder.  I use solid core wire to keep the battery from flopping around, but this can be brittle and snap off easily.  To combat this make a small loop around the pins and clamp it on before soldering.

Solder the other ends of the wires to the place on the board marked JP1.  Make sure that the positive wire goes to the + symbol and the negative wire to the - symbol.

This is where power will be supplied via the battery after the chip is programmed.

Step 8: Solder the Roll Switch

Solder the tilt switch to the spot labeled JP3 and possibly (with newer versions of the board) "roll".  Depending on what (if anything) you plan to mount the device in, you might want leave half an inch between the switch and the board, to let you adjust exactly where the switch is.

Cut off the excess leads from the bottom like you did with the resistors.

If for some reason you accidentally solder the tilt switch to JP2, this can be corrected later by tweaking the software.

The tilt switch has a little ball that rolls around inside and completes a connection between the two pins whenever the switch is held upright. It will be like pushing a button and connecting the two pads of JP3 whenever you turn the die over to "roll" it.

Step 9: Solder the Selection Button

Like the power connection, you will need to solder two lengths of wire to the selection button.  The length and type of wire you need depends on where you want the button in relation to the rest of the device.

If the device is going to be mounted in some sort of enclosure you probably want to use flexible braided wire. You will need to make sure you make the wire long enough to reach from wherever you are going to mount it to the circuit board.

If you are not going to mount it in anything, you probably want to use stiff solid core wire so the switch does not flop about.  If this is the case, go ahead and solder the other ends of the wires to the pad labeled "J2" or "Increment."

This switch is used to tell the chip that you want to change die modes.  I.e. push it once to increment from D6 (six sided die) to D8 (eight sided die) , again to move on to D10 and so on through D12, D20, D100, D2 (coin flip) and D4.

Step 10: Program the Chip

Unless your chip is pre-programmed (like maybe I gave it to you as a Christmas gift or something) you will need to program it with the eDie firmware.

There are a number of different ways to do this, but I'm going to describe how I do it with a USBtinyISP.  See my "electronic game counter/storage box" article for a few more options, the process of programing this firmware is exactly the same as in that project.
  1. Follow the instructions provided for setting up the AVRdude software and using the USBtinyISP.
  2. Plug the 6 pin cable from the USBtinyISP into the ISP header on the board.
  3. Get the latest version of the firmware from the google code page.
  4. In a dos prompt (I use cygwin instead) navigate to the directory you just created with the firmware source code.
  5. type "make" and watch the code compile.  If AVRDude is set up correctly you should now have a file called "eDie.hex" which contains the firmware image for the chip.
  6. type "make burn-fuse".  This will configure the chip with the right parameters to accept and run the firmware.
  7. type "make program".  This will load the eDie.hex file onto the chip.
Since the USBtinyISP provides power to the board (set the jumper to do so if it's not) you should immediately see the device working even without a battery*!  Flip it over to a few times to watch the numbers change.

*I've discovered that even though it appears to work when solely powered by the programmer, without a battery  the chip will occasionally be underpowered and reset itself when it tries to light up too many LEDs at a time.  Like if it displays an 8.  So without a battery, this device can only be a six sided die.

The firmware is a program that the chip runs automatically every time it is powered on.  The program controls the displays and watches for the switch inputs.  The programmer writes the firmware to the chip's non-volatile memory.

Step 11: Insert the Battery

Slide the battery into the battery holder.  The side that says "+" goes on top.

I have no idea how long the battery will last in regular use but in sleep mode, it should last several decades.

The circuit will run from 2.7 volts to 5.5 volts.  So a 3 volt battery is sufficient, while the power from the USBtinyISP is still not too much.

Step 12: Mount Device in an Enclosure (optional)

At this point, your electronic die is actually done.  You can use a bit of glue to attach the floppy bits (button and battery holder) and have a nice "look at me, I'm bare electronics" device to show exactly how geeky you are.

Or you can mount this device in some sort of box.  I chose to combine both options by picking a translucent box, so you can see the components inside.

If you don't mind being on a secret terrorist watch list*, you can get one of these at the container store.
  1. Cover the spots where you will be cutting holes with masking tape.
  2. Place the display on the tape and trace around the edges closely with a pencil.
  3. Using a cutting wheel on your rotary tool, cut out the square.  Make the cuts inside the square since a hole too small can be expanded, but you can't shrink one too big.
  4. Test the fit of the display (you can do this from the outside) and if it won't fit, use the sides of the cutting wheel to slowly expand the hole until it does.
  5. Use a drill to make a hole for your button.  If you drill the hole with the drill set in reverse**, this will take a REALLY long time, but acrylic is soft enough that it will work anyway.
  6. Remove the nut from the button and work the shaft through the hole from the inside.
  7. Remove the masking tape and tighten the nut on the button.
  8. Solder the ends of the wires trailing out of the button to the "J2" or "increment" pad on the board.
  9. Slide the display into the square hold you made from the inside.  Once you are sure everything fits you can put some glue on the board around the display to make it stick permanently.  Gorilla glue is good for this as it expands to fill in the gaps left by the pins sticking up, and is non-conductive.
  10. Put the cap on the end and start showing it to people.
* See the notes step for an explanation.
** That would be pretty dumb, but I managed to do it.

The box protects delicate components, and gives the device a flat surface to rest on.

Step 13: Use It

Using the device is trivial.  Flip the die over (or just shake it) to get a new random number.  To change the die type push the "increment" button.  The first time it is pressed it will show the current setting, lighting up the decimal points to show that it is showing the die type and not a random number.  While in that mode, pressing the increment button again will change it to the next die shape.

After a few minutes of inactivity, the die will turn itself off to save power.  Push the increment button again to wake it up.

The built in dice types are:
D2 - (coin flip, show H for heads or a stretched T for tails)
D4, D6, D8, D10, D12, D20
D100 - (shows as 00 when choosing and if a 100 is rolled.)

There is nothing intrinsically special about those die types other than they are the ones I grew up with.  You can add more by modifying just a couple of lines of the software.

Step 14: Schematic and Theory

Skip this step if you don't care how it all works.

Lighting the displays

The display consists of two pairs of 8 LEDs.  One LED for each of the seven segments in a digit and one for the decimal point.  Each of these 16 LEDs has a separate anode (positive pin) and each digit has a single cathode (negative pin) shared by the 8 LEDs in that digit.

The micro controller doesn't have enough pins to drive every LED separately and read the buttons but because the human eye reacts much slower than the micro controller, we can take advantage of the POV (persistence of vision) effect.  This means we can rapidly switch each digit on and off in turns so fast that it looks like they both are on all the time.

To do this, each segment is wired to a specific pin.  i.e. Segment A for both digits is wired to pin 12, segment B for both digits is wired to pin 13, etc.  To light up a particular number on one digit the pins 8 pins are set in the appropriate pattern (HIGH for on, LOW for off) and the cathode for that digit is turned LOW.  This allows current to flow through all the right LEDs.  At the same time, the Cathode is set HIGH for the other digit.  Since LEDs are diodes, power can flow only one way and so all the segments on the other digit are off.

After a few milliseconds the display is turned back off by setting the cathode HIGH, all the segments are reset for the other digit, and that digit is turned on by changing its cathode to LOW.

This process is repeated many times every second, giving the illusion that both digits are on all the time.

Random numbers

Getting a computer to reliably generate a random number is surprisingly difficult.  Rather than even try, this device lets the user unknowingly pick the random number.  A counter constantly adds one to it's value, hundreds of thousands of times a second.  When the roll "button" is triggered the number is looked at and used to make the random number.   This way, the randomness of the event is determined by when the button is triggered, at a scale way too fine for a human to control.

Power management (or, where is the off switch?)

In addition to the random number counter, the device is constantly counting the time since the last time either of the two buttons were pressed.  After a few minutes of inactivity, the device will put itself to sleep in an extremely low power mode.  In this mode almost all activity ceases and if my calculations are right, the battery should last 30 or 40 years while asleep.  Since my time machine project has not gotten very far, I have been unable to test this theory.

While in this mode, the device still is able to detect if pin 6 is shorted and is configured to wake up if this ever happens.  Thus, pressing the increment button will wake the device up and it will continue on its way.

Step 15: Notes

Laser challenge

As mentioned in the introduction, I think this would look much nicer if mounted in a custom enclosure that looked like a die.  With a laser cutter I would cut a nice piece of acrylic into 12 pentagons (with alternating tabs the width of the acrylic) to fit together in a dodecahedron shaped box.  The cut pieces would be engraved with electronics symbols where the numbers would otherwise be, and the holes for the display and button would be perfect. This would turn it into a 12 sided die that can do the job of all the other dice, fitting since the 12 sider is otherwise neglected

Other things I would use a laser cutter for include (but are not limited to):
  • The next project I'm considering is a 7 X 32 LED scrolling sign for the back of my car.  It sure would be nice to be able to cut those 224 holes for the LEDs in a perfectly uniform manner.
  • Precisely cut the corners off of square things to prepare for life about a battlestar.
  • Everything I previously had considered buying a cricut for, but 1000 times better.
  • Boxes, boxes and more boxes.
  • Make professional looking signs for every room in the house.
  • Custom game pieces.
  • Wooden or acrylic cosmic encounter boards and boards for other games.
  • Everything else listed in my "webserver stop light" article's notes.
  • Everything else listed in my "elecronic score keeper" article's notes.
  • I'd make many beautiful and useful things.
  • I'd make many beautiful and useless things.

Paranoia about electronics devices

Buying the small blue box I mounted this in lead me to a very surreal conversation.

I found this (and a couple of other sizes I experimented with) at a local "the container store".  When I went up to pay for it, the cashier was particularly chatty, initially freindly, and (I felt) inordinately interested in what I was going to put in my containers.  At first I imagined that she just liked her job, and liked to fantasize about all the fun things people people put in their containers.  But after talking to me, I believe her container stuffing fantasies took a dark turn.  Or perhaps she always imagines herself as a vigilant watch dog, guarding against nefarious criminal uses.

Her: Oh, those little blue boxes, I remember those.  I had a lot when I was a teenager.
Me:<smiles and nods politely>
Her: Are you buying them for nostalgia?  From when you were a teen? They are too small to really keep anything in them.
(I'm not really sure what the implication was here.  Perhaps she used to keep drugs in hers?)
Me: No, they are for a project I'm working on.
Her: Oh, what are you going to keep in them?
Me: I'm not going to keep anything in them.  I'm going to cut a hole in one and use it to mount my project.
Her: What do you mean? <looking very perplexed at that moment>
Me: I have some electronics I've made and I'm going to cut a hole in the side so you can see the display, and mount the electronics inside.
Her:<with a look and tone of horror>Do you mean.... (dramatic pause) a device???
Me: Yes.  An electronic device I've made.

No longer chipper and friendly, she said nothing more to me other than to tell me the total bill.  I imagine as soon as I was gone she ran off to report me for making dangerous electronics.  Alas, I paid with a credit card so now my name is on some super secret terrorist watch list, for having the gall to use a small decorative box for something other than it's imagined proper use.

Over a decade in the making

I first tried to make a device like this in the late 90s.  My original design was going to speak the digits with a sound recording chip I got at radio shack, and used a PIC micro controller.  At that time there was (to my knowledge) no free C compiler and no free simulator for the chip.  I wrote the initial code in assembly to light up some LEDs, compiled it, ran it through the dedicated programmer I bought and then stared at the chip.  It did nothing.  I looked at my code and found no obvious errors, but I was hardly an assembly language expert.

And then I was stuck.  With no simulator or way to see what was going on in the chip, I had nowhere to go to debug it.  Something was wrong with my code and the chip was a little black box I had no insight into.  I never totally give up in a situation like this, but I was discouraged enough to finally put it away for a few days.  And then a few more, and then a few weeks and then months.  Eventually over the years I lost the PIC programmer in a move or something.

About 10 years later, I bought a mini-pov kit from adafruit and had fun supervising my son as he put it together.  Later a friend asked me to help him hack it into a brain machine and I was impressed at how easy it was to replace the firmware with new software that totally changed what it did.  I looked into the processor used by this device and found that micro processors had become much easier to use.  This inspired me to try to make my electronic die again.

I bought a USBispTiny kit, put it together and built my first prototype on a bread board.  Just like the first time, nothing happened.  But now instead of being stuck, I had options.  I used the free AVR studio to simulate the chip and watched exactly what my software was doing wrong.  Very soon I had a working prototype and moved on to experimenting with printing my own board.

If I were doing it today, I probably wouldn't even have to bother with AVR studio, since this project could probably be designed in the arduino environment, and then ported to the ATTiny chip.

The moral of the story is that as time goes by the barrier to entry with micro controllers drops lower and lower and it gets easier to get your feet wet all the time.
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    2 years ago

    When i try to make the file in dos i get an error and I have no idea what to do with it.
    0 [main] sh 11232 sync_with_child: child 14852(0x1DC) died before initialization with status code 0xC0000142
    224 [main] sh 11232 sync_with_child: *** child state waiting for longjmp
    /usr/bin/sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable
    avr-gcc.exe -mmcu=attiny2313 -Wall -gdwarf-2 -std=gnu99 -DF_CPU=8000000UL -Os -funsigned-char -funsigned-bitfields -fpack-struct -fshort-enums -MD -MP -MT eDice.o -MF dep/eDice.o.d -c eDice.c
    eDice.c: In function 'display_number':
    eDice.c:170: warning: suggest parentheses around comparison in operand of &
    eDice.c:190: warning: suggest parentheses around comparison in operand of &
    eDice.c:190: warning: suggest parentheses around comparison in operand of &
    eDice.c: At top level:
    eDice.c:221: fatal error: opening dependency file dep/eDice.o.d: No such file or directory
    compilation terminated.
    make: *** [eDice.o] Error 1

    Does someone know what to do?


    4 years ago

    I have a common anode display that I would like to use instead. What would I have to do with the code to allow for that? I figure everything would have to be inverted, but I'm fairly new to programming attiny's. I'm not exactly sure what code needs to change.


    Reply 4 years ago

    Hmmm, it's been 6 years since I looked at the code, but taking a quick glance, it might not be as easy I thought before I looked. You see, each pin that controls the segments are a single bit of a byte that controls all 8 pins. So you would have to a) change the code invert all the bit values every time one of the ports is set, or b) write a routine that does NANDs the values with 0b11111111 (which inverts the bits) and call it every place where one of the two ports is set. One port (PORTB or LED_PORT) is the 8 bits of the display, and one of them (PORTD) sets two bits that turn on and off the cathods.

    So, for example, in the table where it defines the values, 0b00000110 is the segments for a "1". Flipped it would be 0b11111001. In the sections where PORTD is set using decimal a similar inversion must happen. For example in one place PORTD is set to 3, which is 0b00000011, to turn both cathods off. Flipped this would be 0b11111100, or 253. Except I don't know if the other 6 bits matter, so you might get away with changing PORTD references from 0 to 3, 1 to 2, 2 to 1, and 3 to 0. In other words, brush up on your binary conversions. Good luck.


    5 years ago

    hiya, do you have another link to the code? the 'latest version' link
    to the firmware doesn't seem to work, and i'd really like to try this
    out (even if i am way late to this, heh..)


    10 years ago on Introduction

    i have always wanted to make something like this, unfortunately most rpg groups won't let you use electronic die, since there is no way to prove that it's not rigged.


    Reply 10 years ago on Introduction

    I suppose you could show them the code (assuming a sufficiently geeky group) and load it onto the chip right in front of them, but I can think of ways to game that too.

    You could also point out that without careful and numerous trials, you can't know that a physical die is true either. You are just trusting your fellow players not to be using loaded dice.

    It doesn't really matter, this device is a novelty item and really only good for places where it would be inconvenient to throw real dice. Like on a bus ride or something. I don't really imagine I would use it in place of real dice most of the time.


    10 years ago on Step 2

    Which, if any, of the files in meets seed studio's gerber requirements? Sorry if this is an ignorant question. I have never done this before and it looks so interesting I am will to break out of my comfort zone.


    Reply 10 years ago on Step 2

    None of them do directly. Unfortunately seeed wants the board to have the order number printed right on them, so you have to order the boards, open the board file in eagle cad to edit the silkscreen with the order number they give you, and then generate the gerber files from that. describes pretty well the process of getting eagle CAD to spit out gerber files.

    Gerber files are zip files with images that describe each of the layers that go on the board. In the case of this board, at least 8 (top and bottom each of copper, soldermask and silkscreen plus a file to show where the holes are and another to describe the drill sizes). Each manufacturer may want each of these individual files named and/or formatted differently.

    In the case of batchPCB and dorkbotpdx, they each provided a file that tells eagle exactly how to generate gerbers the way they want. In the case of seeedstudio, they didn't but they they wanted a "readme" file in the zip that just described what each layer was named, so I re-used the batchPCB job and then created that readme.

    I just got back the ones I ordered from dorkbotpdx and they are very pretty. I have not tested them yet but I'll be happy to upload the gerber file I used once I have in the next week or so. The seeed studio ones are still on a boat somewhere.

    Some time soon I hope to launch a kickstarter campaign to raise seed money to make kits of this project, but I don't envision these kits being available until 2012.


    10 years ago on Introduction

    lol aren't that magic the gathering dices outside that box? :P


    Reply 10 years ago on Introduction

    I don't think so, I don't even remember ever using dice in MTG back when I played it a decade ago. But I gather some people use 20 sided dice to keep track of life totals and I'm not up on current trends/rules. We used to use colored stones.

    On the other hand, I can't rule it out. The dice in the picture are just a random assortment from a much bigger collection I have and I don't know the origin of all of them. So some of them may have come from an MTG set of some kind.

    Are there special dice for MTG?

    Pie Ninja
    Pie Ninja

    Reply 10 years ago on Introduction

    Wizards make dice especially for MTG, D20s with a symbol (usually the icon from a set) instead of the 20. Standard playing starts you on 20 hit points, which makes a D20 a good option for someone wanting a small life counter.


    Reply 10 years ago on Introduction

    They also have the numbers arranged differently. On a standard d20, opposite faces of the die add up to 21. So, the 1 is on the direct opposite face from the 20, the19 is directly opposite the 2, etc. On the MTG "Spindown" dice, the numbers are arranged sequentially, the 2 is next to the 1, the 3 is next to the 2, the 4 is next to the 3, etc. This is to make it easier to find the next number on the die.


    Reply 10 years ago on Introduction

    Awesome. I think I'll have to see if I can score some.


    Reply 10 years ago on Introduction

    Thanks! In that case, that D20 is definately not a dedicated MTG Die.


    10 years ago on Introduction

    @ mkanoap - My husband and I have some of the special dice - there are special ones for the Fire and Lightening special prebuilt all foil deck that was released last year I think?

    also there are six sided die included in the planechase box sets - you might find that interesting...

    As a side note as Pie Ninja said, using the 20 sided die is good for life counting - that's how my husband taught me to play - the problem is that we usually have to break out multiple d10 die because one of my decks is a white (almost) all angel deck, with 4 copies of Life Link included - thus the 20 sided die is usually not as useful as the multiple d10s.

    >> also, I didn't mean for this post to come out looking like an advertisement for Wizards - I just thought since you said you weren't sure about special die you might be interested lol :) Thanks for sharing this electronic die!


    Reply 10 years ago on Introduction

    Thanks for the info! I googled "magic the gathering dice" and was overwhelmed with auctions for cards and gave up so your links are welcome. I figured people were using D20s for life counters much like how D10s are used in the munchkin games to track level. Which inspired my game counter box ( Come to think of it, you could use my game counter for keep track of MTG life as well, since it counts down as well as up. Maybe I'll add a mode to mark a player as losing when they hit zero.

    I've always been partial to a big pile of flattened glass beads (usually red) as life counters. That way you get this really visceral understanding of how close to death you are as the pile gets smaller.