Wow - what a hornet's nest over a simple electroysis experiment of splitting water into its component elements. Some of the rubbish, errors, mumbo-jumbo, spelling (cunducting), non-science, beggars belief. If folk are going to make constructive comments, at least get your facts right instead of muddying the waters - chlorine = mustard gas??. Here's a little tip from someone who actually worked with the stuff at 300 bar. Hydrogen burns wth an invisible flame (no carbon present) - use a cold mirror and see if it mists up. And another - if you ever get to piping it at high pressures, hydrogen is such a small molecule, it will find leaks that no other gases will find. Cast alloy regulators leak like a sieve, use machined brass or stainless, and Swagelok fittings. Hydrogen is not to be messed with. If it does go, it will be more than your ears popping

KellyCraig

Reply 3 years ago

If you're going down that road, explain the difference between using
soda vs salt. Don't leave everyone hanging (wondering what you're
talking about). Use your vast knowledge to give some helpful details to those of us who are just playing.

Phil_S

Reply 3 years ago

Silly comment.
Sounds like you've had too many ice-cream sodas
Where exacyly did I mention soda or salt?
If it's taken you five years to get round to compose that rubbish then it's only you doing the hanging around.
If you don't know the difference between salt and soda the go Google it

KellyCraig

Reply 3 years ago

Let's see, some guy whose only Instructables achievements seem to be a hundred or so troll like comments on other people's posts types "[s]illy comment," then goes on to type silly comments, before making ludicrous comments.

Maybe you're playing dumb. Of course, it may be sincere. The content and context of your post only offers suggestions.

That aside, you mentioned chlorine. Inasmuch as you indicate yourself to be far more knowledgeable than some or all those who come here to learn and share, you could have taken the opportunity to mention chlorine can be a result of adding salt to water during the electrolysis processes. You could have explained how those of us who do metal plating concern ourselves with what goes into the plating bath for that and other reasons. You, however, did not, so may not know.

Since you didn't know, were so consumed with rage against those who didn't, or just have a great deal of trouble typing even a single line, I'll say it for you: Adding salt to water to which an electrical charge is applied can produce the chlorine gas you mentioned.

Regarding your statement "i]f it's taken five years to get round to compose that rubbish. . . .," are you really unaware Net and Instructable searches are purposed to produce results, and those results often lead to, for example, five year old comments, like yours? If that simple fact is difficult for you to understand, do some experimentation with the search processes, or have someone explain it to you in finer detail.

Of course, it's possible you attach more importance to yourself than does the rest of the world, and actually believe I or someone else would spend five years working on a response to your rambling response. Be advised, that is not the case. Until the date of my post, I and most the world knew nothing of you. It may be life was more pleasant for both of us that way.

Phil_S

Reply 3 years ago

What a very unpleasant, nasty little person you are KellyCraig or Craig Kelly
You have gone to quite a lot of time time and trouble to to construct your rant.
Be aware that as some of your published content is libelous, I will be reporting you to the moderators.

KellyCraig

Reply 3 years ago

Merely that something is written does not make it libel. If it's factual or satirical, a legal challenge going down that road could earn CR11 (civil rules of court) sanctions for a frivolous claim.

Just so you know.

Lonnie mcgallion

Reply 8 years ago

Good advice. I am a boilermaker. Work in oil refineries and hydrogen is some nasty stuff, hazardous wise.
Most of the piping is heavywall with flanges being mostly rtj ring gaskets, or ring joint. The flanges tend to be 900# to 1500#. We use freah air a lot or scba packs with 5 min escape bottles which will only last 2 min since you will be scrambling and breathing hard lol. Ussually they will pump in nitrogen to displace oxygen and give you a "window" in time to complete the break in or blinding process. Hydrogen is an awesome product. Lol if there is a leak out there you would be amazed at what droping a wrench or something metal does to you knowing tgat just a spark. Good precationary post and warning.

WayneO2

Reply 8 years ago on Introduction

Chlorine is one of the prime components of Mustard Gas: C4H8Cl2S

JackT16

Reply 8 years ago on Introduction

not prime components, A component, there are 4 whole carbon atoms, 8 hydrogens, 2 chlorine and 1 sulphur atom. its like saying oh did you know, you should never eat tuna, one of its prime components is mercury!!!

or Vinegar (CH3CO2H) it is primarily carbon dioxide! we could suffocate by putting it on our potatoes!!

Misty6786

8 years ago on Introduction

I am new to this but the instructions say use what ever in relation to using baking soda or baking powder. I have read the entire document, but can't find what I need. Are you referring to the box in the picture? These instructions seem to be quite poorly thought out. I need to know how to build the generator and would probably be able to do that, but also what to put in it, and baking powder in spite of its similar name is not really interchangeable with baking soda. Once you fill the chamber and hook up the power do you just heat it up? I saw no other ingredients than baking soda/powder.

At this point, it sounds like the process would make some form of lye, which is made from pure salt and a similar process to what the instructions above say to do.

Pyrogenics

Reply 8 years ago

Overall it would be better to add sodium hydroxide due to its higher energy transfer compared to sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), also you would not want to heat up the water as heat creates resistance when referring to the transfer of energy.

KellyCraig

Reply 3 years ago

Others more learned than I am say, don't use salt. That is how you make chlorine gas. Stay with the soda.

aekback

Reply 8 years ago

All you need is an electrolyte. Table salt works, but will likely corrode. Baking soda is likely what he is using. The electricity separates the hydrogen and oxygen atoms from the water molecules in the solution, producing the gas. No heating up or anything like that (other than waste energy being released as heat from the generator itself).