Introduction: UK Ring Video Doorbell Pro Working With Mechanical Chime
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Please note that this method only works with AC power right now
I will update if/when I find a solution for doorbells using DC power
In the meantime, if you have a DC power supply, you will need to replace it with the Plug-in Adapter V1, with provides the correct AC power. You'll then be able to follow this page to get your mechanical chime working.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plug-Adapter-Ring-Video-D...
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I'm based in the UK and like many other people out there, I have searched and searched for a way to get a Ring Video Doorbell to chime a good old fashioned mechanical 'ding-dong'.
While this is a very straight-forward task in the US with their powerful rugged doorbells, over here in Blighty, our doorbells tend to work on a lower (and so much more respectable) voltage.
The Ring Video Doorbell Pro requires a constant power supply of 24V and this is supplied from a transformer which is included in the box. US doorbells can easily cope with this sort of power and can therefore be powered from the same transformer, as described in the official Ring wiring diagrams.
Unfortunately for those of us in the UK, you'd be hard pressed to find a chime that would work on this rating. Most require an 8V power supply coming from an appropriately rated transformer. And this is the crux of the issue. Ring, fully aware of this issue, simply suggest you remove or 'bypass' your mechanical chime completely, removing it from your doorbell arrangement. Instead, they supply a plug-in digital chime, and again this is supplied in the box (https://support.ring.com/hc/en-gb/articles/209622213-Video-Doorbell-Pro-Information).
Of course (subjectively), the digital chimes sound naff when compared to a good old-fashioned mechanical one.
Nevertheless, some people have gone for it anyway, connected their mechanical chimes to the 24V transformer, and found their chimes get hot and emit a constant buzzing/humming noise and at the same time, found they have increased by a few decibels. More of a "DING-DONG!!!".
This is neither ideal nor sensible and could create a fire hazard.
Conversely, some people have used the 16V option on the supplied transformer as this reduces (but doesn't eliminate), the buzzing/humming to more bearable levels. The issue with this is that it can cause your doorbell to cut out during power heavy tasks such as at night with night-vision on, using Live View, 2-way voice comms, etc.
Luckily there is a way of getting your Ring Video Doorbell Pro to chime a mechanical 'ding-dong' while both are being supplied with the power they want and need.
Rather than break this Instructable down into a step-by-step (because I didn't know I was going to do this so didn't really document my installation), I'll describe what I made, with pictures and diagrams so that you can use it as a reference rather than instruction manual. This might have been a better option anyway as each installation is different, with power in different locations and chime/doorbells at different proximities to each other.
IMPORTANT NOTE
This does require some work with mains voltages. Please follow Ring's safety precautions and seek professional advice if you are not sure.
Step 1: The Secret Weapon
I mentioned that there's a way of having both the Ring Doorbell Pro and the mechanical chime being supplied with the power they respectively need AND having the doorbell make your mechanical chime go "ding-dong".
This arrangement uses a 24V AC relay doing essentially the same job that an old-fashioned push-button doorbell does - completing the circuit for the mechanical chime thus making it "ding" (when the circuit opens again, this is when the chime goes "dong").
The relay sits in-between the 24V circuit for the Ring Video Doorbell Pro, and the 8V circuit for the mechanical chime, and this means you don't over-power the chime, or under-power the Ring Video Doorbell.
This image shows my bench testing that proved the concept.
Step 2: Wiring Diagram
These wiring diagrams show two different options and which one you use depends on whether your chime has a built in transformer (like the Byron 776), or is powered by an external transformer (like the Honeywell D126).
In either of these cases the wiring is essentially the same but you will need to check the specific requirements in your own chime.
As an example, mine is the D126 and in the image (taken from the packaging of the chime) you can see that I need to use terminals '0' and '3'.
For the relay, you need to make sure that the coil is being powered by the 24V AC. The switching is done when the doorbell pulls enough current to energise the coil, thus pulling the switch closed. You therefore need to make sure that your chime is wired to the Normally-Open terminals (NO), and not the normally closed (you'd probably hear a 'dong-ding' if you wired it this way not a 'ding-dong').
One thing worth noting is that when you power this system for the first time, as the doorbell boots up and starts doing its internal checks, connecting to the network, etc, you might hear your chime make a ding or a dong or two. This is completely normal and to be expected. It won't do random ding-dongs in normal operation.
Step 3: The Enclosure
You probably noticed from the diagrams in the previous step that I have shown the main components all lumped together in one box.
I went for this layout because it suited my specific needs - I wanted to keep the installation as neat as possible, having everything hidden away unless absolutely necessary. Luckily, my garage adjoins the main house and is just on the other side of the wall to where I mounted the chime. This meant I could put all the bits and pieces in the garage, out of sight.
I just needed to run one cable to the chime and one cable to the doorbell, back to the central location in the garage.
The actual enclosure is shown in these images. I'd say this is a pretty big box and I'm sure there are other neater options out there. I'll put a link to all the bits I used in a section below.
Step 4: The 'Bypass'
All Ring Video Doorbell Pro's, supplied in the UK, come with a 'Bypass' kit.
In its unaltered form this provides a level of protection for the doorbell itself. I've seen some people not using this in their installation as some people have found that their doorbells are less likely to cut-out if you leave this out. I think this is a mistake. Ring make a point of stressing that this is a necessary component in the installation.
HOWEVER, we don't want to use this in 'Bypass' mode because we're not bypassing anything. We're creating an installation that mimics that of the U.S. set-up. So we need to use this 'Bypass', not as a bypass, but in its other mode of operation - the 'Power Pro Kit'.
In the UK, these arrive in the box with a sticker showing you how to insert the cables into the 'bypass' connector.
For this installation, you'll need to peel back this sticker which will reveal another port on the opposite side.
You'll notice, however, that there is a connector in there and you haven't been supplied with the cable to fit it.
At this stage, you have two options:
***UPDATE***
You can now buy the PPK V2 separately. It's £1 but shipping is about £4.
https://en-uk.ring.com/collections/accessories/pro...
At the time of writing this instructable, it wasn't possible to buy these.
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1) you can call Ring and ask them to send you the cable for the PPK V2 (as you won't be using the 'Bypass' mode). Or,
2) you can butcher the unit and solder your own cables to the two pins inside (not recommended).
My recommendation is to phone Ring and ask them to send you the 'wire' for the PPK as you won't be bypassing your mechanical chime. They should send you a pack (the one shown in these photos), that includes both the wire you need and, in fact, another PPK - they do this because they don't actually supply the cable as a separate item. I guess it's not worth their while. There's no difference to the PPK you already have (but now you have a spare!).
One important note is that you'll need to tell your Ring Doorbell that it is connected to a mechanical chime. This is found in the device settings in the Ring app. When you do this, it basically tells the doorbell to pull a big lump of current (about 1 Amp), and then release the current and this is what energises the coil in the chime making the hammer move and strike the metal bars (the ding, and then the dong).
Step 5: Concusions
Hopefully there's enough information here to help you create your own installation.
Upon seeing my new doorbell, my neighbour asked me to do the same with theirs. Both of these were installed just after Christmas 2019 and have been working flawlessly since - no issues whatsoever.
If there were to be some sort of issue, with the enclosure, everything is easily accessible so would be straightforward to swap. That said, I haven't had to do any maintenance just yet.
One thing worth noting is that my whole system is powered from a spur to a nearby plug socket. The pictures don't show it but I have now added a 3A fuse (a switched fuse), to provide that extra protection. 3A should be more than enough.
All in all, I'm really happy with the installation and delighted to hear the mechanical "ding-dong" whenever the doorbell is pressed......
.........which is hardly ever.
Step 6: Components I Used
Enclosure - https://cpc.farnell.com/hylec/dn16t/ip66-general-p...
Relay (if you choose a different relay you need to make sure it is a 24V AC coil) - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00PZXGHZY/ref=cm_sw_e...
Transformer - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Byron-7770-wired-rail-tra...
There is an AC plug-in power adapter here. This will allow you to replicate this set-up (DIN rail power supply no longer included - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plug-Adapter-Ring-Video-D...
PPK V2 - https://en-uk.ring.com/collections/accessories/products/pro-power-kit-video-doorbell-pro
124 Comments
Question 20 days ago on Step 2
Hi Dancase, thanks for the instructable.
I'm currently following along to this in the UK as well, but I'm keen to get your thoughts on some issues I'm having.
I'm using the following Relay:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07JPJT82B?ref_=cm_sw_...
And I have a chime with a built in transformer, so basing this off of the provided wiring diagram applicable to those transformer/chime combos.
Long Story short, I've wired everything up, the doorbell is receiving power and 'working' just fine, but I'm not getting any mechanical chime.
I'll attach photos that show the setup.
Connections 13 & 14 I've understood to be the coil. This is where my Ring 24VDC Output goes, and the Pro Power kit.
I've then used connections 5 & 9 for the normally open configuration that leads to the chime trigger inputs.
I'm not sure the best way to debug the relay circuit or test the relay itself. Do you have any suggestions?
Can I be sure that the setting toggled in the Ring app is working as intended? When I load that settings page up, it shows the saved value of Chime Type to 'Mechanical' and it's toggled to 'Ring In-Home Chime' as well.
How can I test if it's drawing enough current to energise the coil on the relay?
While typing this, I've seen that my ring transformer is outputting 24VDC, which I think is different to everyone else's. Is this the issue?
Should I ask Ring for the AC transformer, or buy a DC relay? (would that even work?)
7 months ago on Introduction
Hi. I’m based in UK too. Will the VIDEO of my Ring Video Pro continue to work after switching to mechanical? What additional steps are required on the app to make this happen? Will my app still alert me? Thanks
7 months ago
Hi dancase and thanks so much for kindly sharing both your
original concept and your subsequent replies to comments, helping those
interested to achieve their goals!
My questions are as follows, please. I am planning to purchase
a Ring Video Doorbell Pro 2 for use with an existing 8VAC mechanical Byron ‘traditional
butler-style bell’, along with its separate 8VAC transformer. I am proposing to
use your original circuit design and 24VAC relay but with this Amazon 120V-240V
to 24V 40VA transformer HQRP
120V-240V to 24V 40VA Transformer Compatible with Nest, Ecobee, Sensi,
Honeywell Thermostat, Nest Doorbell and All Versions of Ring Doorbell Power
Supply Adapter Door-Bell 120v-240v-to-24v, UL : Amazon.co.uk: DIY & Tools,
in place of either Ring’s 24VDC Din rail transformer or Ring’s 24VDC Plug in adapter
Gen 2.
Presumably, I should then include the Ring Pro Power Kit
Version 3 (ie not the Pro Power Kit or Pro Power Kit Version 2) in the same way
you used the original Pro Power Kit version in your design?
Finally, in your original concept, you mentioned it was
necessary to tell the Ring Doorbell that it is connected to a mechanical chime,
via the device settings in the Ring app. Presumably, this setting is also
present on the Ring Video Doorbell Pro 2 and needs to be selected as you
previously indicated, in order to get the Ring doorbell to pull a big lump of
current, then release it, in order to energise my butler-style bell?
Many thanks, in advance, for your kind comments.
7 months ago
I know this post is fairly
old now, however it still comes up as one of the first results when google-ing
'ring pro 2 mechanical chime'. So I'm adding this comment for anyone (like
myself) who's bought a Ring doorbell Pro 2 in the UK and wants it to work with
a mechanical chime, because as OP said - digital chimes are naff. (Also the Ring chimes require a internet connect to
work, but that's a whole other thing).
I tried to figure this out using the existing
mechanical chime, but I couldn't come up with a simple answer to get enough power the Pro 2 and not overpower the chime so it buzzes. In the end I
decided the easiest way to do this was, to copy the American setup. *sigh*
I used a 230v to 16v transformer, the latest Ring
Pro Power kit (v3) and an American mechanical chime, then followed the attached wiring diagram. (Ignore the wires going off to the right, I've cropped the image from
Ring's website)
You end up getting tolerable voltage across the circuit. The Ring app
shows voltage as "Good", and the mechanical chime doesn't buzz. Neither get hot.
11 months ago on Step 6
I recently bought a Ring Video Doorbell Pro2 on the basis I was told it would work with the existing chime.
There is an existing AC transformer beside the consumer unit for the 'old' doorbell which has a Byron chime of some sort. The chime replaced a faulty unit around ten years ago. The chime can be wired to a transformer, or will work on internal batteries, four D cells I think. The system is powered from the transformer and wired to ding/dong on the front door and ding on the back door. The transformer, which is pretty inaccessible, provides ~15VAC to the system as measured at the chime and the bell push.
First thing tested was connecting the Ring bell push to the front door wiring to confirm the chime activated. It did. There was no wi-fi setup on the bell push at this point. As that worked, I carried on fitting the bell push and setup the wi-fi. The Ring system setup includes activating an internal mechanical chime. Once everything was in place and setup, no chime. The only issue I could find was the Ring system health reporting the bellpush was only seeing 12V. I rechecked the voltage and it measures at 15V. That was on a Sunday evening. I didn't have time during the week to do anything, so my partner picked up a Ring chime on the Monday which I was pretty annoyed about.
The following weekend I had a good look around the system. After some 'messing' the only fault I could find was the return wire from the back door was not connected at the chime. I reconnected this and carried on 'messing'. After checking everything is as it should be I tried the Ring bell push again and hey-preto, it activates the Byron chime; ding/dong on the front door, ding on the back door. I can't figure out why it wasn't working, and now is working.
There are no additional transformers, no bypass wires, no Ring Pro Power Kit, just the Ring Video Doorbell Pro2.
1 year ago
Hello!
I have a Ring video doorbell Wired.
According to Ring it needs
Wired (16-24 VAC, 10-40 VA, 50/60 Hz), or Ring's own DIN-rail-transformer (2nd gen, 24 V DC, 0,42 A, 10 W) gebruiken (apart verkrijgbaar). Only make use of Ring DC net-adapter or DC ringtransformer. Or you will damage your equipment.
So Ring says their video doorbells work with their own DC net-adapter or DC ringtransformer. But never to use 3rd party DC ringtransformers.
(then only a 16-24V AC one). Why is this?
Could a "balanced" vs non-balanced ringtransformer be the difference causing this discrepancy?
Question 1 year ago
Hi guys,
I've just got a Ring Doorbell Pro (not the V2) version and it came with a plug in adapter. Now I'm really confused, the specs state that the included adapter is DC and I should use a DC transformer to hardwire the doorbell:
" • Use provided Plug-In Adapter 2nd Gen (24V DC, 0.5A, 12W). Plug-In Adapter features a 6m cable and comes with cable clips. Plugs into standard indoor electrical socket.
• Hardwired. You can also hardwired your doorbell if you have a compatible doorbell system (16-24 VAC, 10-40VA, 50/60Hz ), or you can use Ring DIN Rail Transformer 2nd Gen (24VDC, 0.42A , 10.0W) sold separately."
Anyway, my old "dumb" doorbell has always worked fine. I've been using a Byron 772 chime (without a built in transformer). The (8v) transformer next to the CU is one I butchered out of an old Friedland Doorbell when I was renovating. It was only supposed to be temporary but I've never got round to changing it.
I kept everything the same initially but just changed the doorbell button to the Ring Pro and everything worked fine except that there was a loud buzzing at the Chime.
I bought a Byron Transformer to replace the Friedland butchered jobby (https://www.screwfix.com/p/british-general-fortres... and wired it up as 24v. There's a load of reviews on Screwfix of people who have used this transformer with the Ring, Nest and other Doorbells but no mention of mechanical Chime.
Anyway, I switched the transformer out to the Byron one, everything works great except for a small buzzing which lasts for about 5 seconds after the bell is pressed and the chime has sounded, sometimes there's a quiet hum when using the mic on the Rin so I suspect the increased load causes noise at the Chime. When the Ring is idle, there's no sound at the Chime though.
I'm wanting to perfect the set-up and follow this guide but I can't find a Ring branded transformer online, can I use a Byron transformer (wired to 24v) as seen in the link above instead of the official Ring one and then a second same Byron Transformer (wired to 8v) for the step down for the Chime?
In the current set-up I've not used the PPKv2 as I only got the Bypass Kit and wasn't keen on butchering it. I've spoken to Rin today who are sending a PPKv2 out. Would this alone just solve the humming issue without the need to change anything else?
2 years ago
Hi dancase
I always wished I could re -use my Friedland Chime 963 York instead of bypassing. it as suggested by Ring. Alas this is possible ! Thanks for this wonderful site. and the work you have put in that saved me lots of grief.
i have just one question/ instead of the DPDT you had in your wiring was a DPDT relay. Could I substitute it with
SPST NO Finder 22.21.8.024.4000 Monostable Modular Relay SPST-NO 24VAC 20A
This relay spec as
as used byTim Reczek has a max current rating of 20 Amps. Will it work if the operating current is around 3 to 4 amps as my bell circuit was originally wired from a lighting circuit spur that can take up to 6 Amps max
lscooby
Reply 2 years ago
Hi Len
I am also trying to use the Finder relay https://www.rapidonline.com/Finder-22-21-8-024-400...
Did you manage to get it to work ?
Am I right to connect 1 & 2 to the 24v transformer and the Ring doorbell and A1 & A2 to the 8v transformer and the mechanical door bell ?
Thank you very much for your help.
Chi
Reply 2 years ago
Hi Chi
Please study the attached diagram ;a modified diagram from Tim Reczek, ci to explain my connections. there is also an inset diagram which explains the internal circuit of the Finder relay
A1& A2 should be connected to be in the the 24V circuit (hence the need for the 24V Finder Relay ) & connected in parallel with the Ring Pro Power Kit .
When the Ring doorbell circuit is activated by pressing the button ; A1 & A2 activate the internal Finder coil which then becomes a magnet (electromagnetic switch) that connects 1 and 2 in the 8V mechanical bell circuit to chime. There is a slight delay between the ring door bell and the chime being activated..
Please let me know if your project works
Reply 2 years ago
Hi Len, thank you very much. Looks like I have it the wrong way round. So A1 & A2 are connected to the ring doorbell while the 1 & 2 are connected to the 8V transformer that drives the mechanical chimes. Somehow I got confused with the wiring diagram from Finder datasheet.
Chi
Reply 2 years ago
Hi Chi
I apologise for not responding to your request earlier. I needed to explain my wiring set up using a similar set up to Tim. Thanks for the data sheet from Finder
The data sheet diagrams provided by Finder do not apply to the Ring doorbell. They do not use the relay in their wiring diagrams to control 2 more voltage circuits from a 240V set up :1) a step down transformer 24Vac and 2) step down 8Vac. You are using the 24V to control the 8V circuit. Please let me know if my wiring set up now works your doorbell Did you have any response if any when you followed the wiring diagram supplied by Finder? I hope your Ring doorbell did not sustain any damage. My Finder relay took a few weeks to arrive. Rapid Electronics UK did not have it in stock. I ordered it from Mercateo East England 4421 working from Germany. The relay arrived 6 weeks later supplied by Rapid Electronics UK !!
Luckily I retained my original doorbell circuit and 8v transformer and was able to reconnected it to the Friedland chime 963 York and relocate the Ring doorbell to work as a camera.Please let me know how quickly you got your Finder unit from Rapid and the price you paid.
Len
Reply 2 years ago
Hi Len,
I see. Thanks for explaining.
I just realised that I have another problem. I purchased a Ring Pro 2 which has a 24 DC output (a DC transformer) to the doorbell - unlike the Ring Pro which has a 24 AC output (an AC transformer).
I now need to see how I can use a DC output to drive the relay which in turn drives a 8v chime (which is a Friedland under dome buzzer) . Perhaps, I need a DC to AC inverter to convert the DC output from the Ring transformer to AC which then drives the relay. All is getting complicated.
I ordered my Finder relay on the 4th Sept and got delivered on the 9th Sept - total cost including postage £19.66
Chi
Reply 2 years ago
Hi Chi
It appears Ring are racing ahead to make the previous generation of Ring products obsolete. There are new players in the market and we may need to update our equipment as spares will be No Longer be Available (NLA).
I will have to give some thought to this problem. However you can contact Ring directly. Their Customer Service Centre for the UK at this time of day is located in Cairo Egypt. You can request them to send you the relevant 24V AC. equipment for your door bell as your equipment was set up using AC. They were very helpful when I requested an AC transformer having explained my problem . I explained that I was using my own Chime and not using a Ring chime and that I wanted to retain my current one. I purchased my equipment from Amazon who sent me a transformer with a built in UK plug. It was a sealed unit that I could not use to implement my circuit setup. Ring will require the MAC address of the equipment you purchased which can be found on the box. They may also ask you to photograph the equipment you purchased as well. It is all done in real time. Don't be deterred, it is a cumbersome process but in my case persistence paid. Ring need to verify that you are a genuine Ring customer. I suggest that you try this avenue first before considering using an inverter.
Reply 2 years ago
which ring doorbell do you have - I understand Ring Door Bell Pro (1st generation) comes with a 24V AC transformer while the Ring Door Bell Pro (2nd generation) comes with a 24v DC transformer. Also it is not only the voltage (24V), I think the Ring doorbell pro 2 requires 20 VA (while most 24V transformer in the Uk only has 8 VA).
Reply 2 years ago
2nd Gen takes 100/240 V AC and outputs 24V DC 0.5 A and 12W of power with efficiency level VI
I did not use this one and hence unable to help. you will need to contact dancase
I would be interested as to how someone has implemented a solution to use the 2nd Gen equipment to handle the 8v AC Chime
If you give me your email address I will send you photos of the transformer I used.
Reply 2 years ago
Hi Len
thank you for the reply.
Is the transformer you used a Ring transformer - is it a 24V AC ? What is the VA - I think the Ring doorbell pro 2 needs at least 20 VA ...
Is this transformer the Ring AUBT1-24 ? I think this one only has a 24V AC but only 8 VA and is only suitable for Ring Doorbell Pro ..
where did you get this info (interested in the source) - "2nd Gen takes 100/240 V AC and outputs 24V DC 0.5 A and 12W of power with efficiency level VI" ?
Reply 2 years ago
this info is on the 2nd Gen power supply in tiny print. The termination with spade connectors identifies the polarity Red (+ve )and Black (-ve)
The transformer I used and supplied by Ring has terminations that allow connections to be made for -8V,-12V, &-24 V
You will need to contact Ring Community Support to help you out. It is an 0800 numberand as mentioned previously you can get put to either Egypt or California
Reply 2 years ago
ok - I will try to call them tomorrow. Just to confirm - is the Ring transformer that you obtained from Ring the AUBT1-24 (see attached image)
Reply 1 year ago
Did you manage to get the AUBT1-24v. transformer from any source?
You may have to get hold of a substitute to power the 24V Finder relay .
Try RS, Mercateao, Rapid or similar large Electrical Component supplier. PLease let me know when you find a 24V transformer with the correct VA