Phoenix - 30 Lb Combat Robot

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About: robots, machining, vintage mopeds, and other silly things....

Intro: Phoenix - 30 Lb Combat Robot

I've been involved in robot combat (BattleBots) for the past three years now. My first robot Shish-Kabot was extremely successful with one 2nd place and two 3rd place finishes but it had one weakness. Every time it fought a flipper robot called Upheaval, it would get tossed around and lose via knockout. (see 2nd image) After spending way too much time thinking about how to beat Upheaval with Shish-Kabot I decided to build a better flipper bot...






Step 1: Background

I guess I should probably explain a few things about what I'm talking about.

Robot Combat is an sport often referred to as BattleBots, but that term is trademarked so I'm probably not supposed to say it. But the basic idea is two robots fight to the death in an enclosed bullet proof glass box for 3 minutes or until one can't move anymore, when a knockout is declared. There are basically three groups all robots can be categorized into. Spinners are probably the most prevalent. They have some spinning mass (think exposed lawnmower blade) and try to slice or blunt force the other robot into submission. Pushy bots are the simplest to build. They often have a wedge to get under the opponent. They win by dominating the flow of the fight. The third group is flippers or lifters. They are designed to get under the other robot and flip them over or chuck them across the arena and hope something breaks on impact. This is often done using pneumatic rams. Flippers are not very common anymore because the introduction of cheap imported Chinese brushless motors and the difficulties associated with pneumatics.



The design goals/constraints for Phoenix were

1. Powerful flipper weapon

2. Entertaining

3. Cost must be under $700 (I'm a high school student without a high paying job)

4. Must be under 30lb weight limit

Step 2: The Flipper

I design robots a little differently than most people. Many people start by making a CAD drawing or a cardboard mockup. I simply lay out the parts on the floor and begin arranging them until I find a layout that works, and design from there.

The arm is .25" thick 7075 grade aluminum with an adjustable .125" titanium spatula on the front to get under opposing robots.

The pneumatic system in Phoenix is a very simple. It's single direction flow with a bleed hole to retract the ram after its shot. It uses a modified 16oz paintball tank, and the solenoid valve is a Burkett 5404. The valve is actuated by a RC relay switch. The ram is 2.5" bore 4" stroke.

Step 3: Frame/Drivetrain

Now that I had the flipper weapon designed I could work on the frame for the robot.

I first made part of the frame that would hold everything. My material of choice is the 1/2"X1/2" box steel they sell at Home Depot. After welding the basic shape I once again test fit the components and worked on re-arranging them to make everything fit.

The drivetrain for Phoenix, as described earlier was two Harbor Freight 18 volt drill motors with 4" wheels, kitbots.com's hubs/motor mounts and one drill battery to power it. I decided on this drivetrain because it offered both adequate speed and power for the robot and was cheap. The speed controller I used was a Sabertooth 2X25 that I had won at a previous competition.

I then did a test assembly of the robot and then test drive...


Which reviled a major design oversight on my part. There was no weight on the drive wheels which made the robot almost impossible to drive. I needed to change that... with more steel....

I ended up welding 4lbs of steel to the front of the frame to help counteract the weight distribution  issues. The added bonus was now it had 1/8" thick steel armor on the front.

Step 4: Armor/Assembly/More Testing

Between the weight of the frame, pneumatics, drivetrain and front armor/ballast. I didn't have much weight for the armor. I needed something light and strong... like... titanium. Titanium is really expensive and would have blown my budget, but I got really lucky because another robot builder was cleaning out his shop and had some old titanium armor from his 120lb bot that was too damaged for him to use but was still usable for a smaller robot like Phoenix.

In order to mount the armor I needed to make the frame grow...

I increased the width of the frame so that it could support the armor protect the wheels. There are three parts to Phoenix's armor. The steel plate welded on the front and the two 1/16" titanium body panels which are removable to allow access to the internals to recharge the batteries, refill the Co2 tank and so I can repair any damage from combat.


Phoenix only has 29 screws in it which makes it very easy to assemble and disassemble it, which is critical to success in robot combat competitions. But because of that ease of assembly I don't have any pictures of it partially assembled... so use your imagination.

After assembling it, I needed to do some testing, mostly of the pneumatics because I needed to find the optimum hole size for the bleed hole but also because there's something fun about launching heavy objects with a robot. I tried three different sizes; loose fitting, 1/16" and 1/32". The 1/16" worked the best because it brought the ram back down in a reasonable amount of time.

Here's a video of the 1/32" bleed hole test.



Through testing I discovered that I got about 12 flips before Phoenix runs out of gas.

Step 5: Phoenix in Combat

Stats:
Weight: 28lbs
Speed: 10mph
Weapon: Flipper (generates 2700lbs of force and gets about 12 flips before it runs out)
Armor: 1/8" steel and 1/16" titanium
Rank: 2nd
Cost: Around $800 spent, parts probably valued at around $1500

Phoenix is currently (as of 5/17/2012) the 2nd ranked 30lb bot in the US and Canada. Its got a fight record of 7/3 with all but one of its fights ending in a knockout.  Its also finished in 2nd and 3rd in the two events its fought in.

Here's a compilation/highlight video of its best moments.

 

Step 6: More Information

For info about competing check out

The Builders Database This is the place where you can find out about and register for competitions

North East Robotics Club The premier robot combat event host in the North East

Combots/Robogames The largest events on the West Coast. They run weight classes from 1lb all the way up to 220lbs.



For a more complete and detailed build report of another 30lb combat robot (that beat Phoenix) check out Nyx


For parts check out

The Robot Market Place  They sell everything and anything related to robots

KitBots.com for competitive 3-12lb kits and parts for robots up to 30lbs

FingerTech Robotics for 1-3lb robot parts and an awesome 1lb bot kit.

Holmes Hobbies for excellent 30lb robot speed controllers and other motors

HobbyKing for cheap stuff from China

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    mhartigan278

    Question 5 weeks ago

    Hey I've been trying to do research on pneumatic systems and even went as far as reading text books on this stuff but I'm still confused. I've gotten to the point where I just have to ask how you did this. Looking at this picture I see an unregulated CO2 tank hooked up to a 2 way solenoid that is controlled via an R/C switch. And from what I can see it seems like this system would work for only a single acting cylinder? I would really really appreciate if you could tell me about your complete pnuematic system. Thanks :)

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    soderhjelm

    4 years ago

    Hello, im building a project with a drill motor thou 230 v. Is it easy to configure to get it forward and backwards? Is it the sabertooth that u have connected it with to get the respons to get it to move like u wont?

    Sorry for the bad english
    Best regards
    Jacob

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    derekiswisesoderhjelm

    Reply 2 years ago

    I know you asked a while ago, but the Saber tooth Will make it easy to drive in both directions. If you go read the information page, it specifies this information. It also states that it has a 50a peak current, with a 25A constant current. It can control 2 brushed motors at once.

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    bcdowney

    4 years ago on Introduction

    How did you prevent the liquid CO2 from leaving the tank and entering your system? Also that valve does not seem to be rated to 800 psi, but you say you are using an unregulated tank?

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    AlexHrnbcdowney

    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    The valve is rated for somewhere around 600psi. People in the UK had been running 1000+ psi through the 5404 for years before I built Phoenix.

    To keep liquid CO2 in the tank, i removed the dip tube and angled the tank.

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    bcdowneyAlexHrn

    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    Interesting. Thanks for answering! I am always wary of going over spec on any component, but if it works it works!

    Have you had any trouble with liquid CO2 entering the system when it gets flipped over? Also, I am a little confused about how you bleed the system. Do you use an actuated valve or is it actually just a hole?

    Sorry for all the questions. I am currently working on a 15lb flipper and I am having trouble getting a pneumatic design that can fit in it. I have worked with pneumatics before but never with a weight constraint like this. I am kind of hoping it can be done with just a single solenoid 2-way valve. (besides the necessary manual valves ).

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    AlexHrnbcdowney

    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    I bleed after a flip with a lose fitting.

    I haven't had any blowout issues when the bot is upside down.

    Personally I would not do a pneumatic flipper in the 15lb class because the weight of just the valves would be around 4lbs and the weight penalty of carrying CO2 on the robot. Phoenix's pneumatics weigh around 10-12 lbs.

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    bcdowneyAlexHrn

    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    I have seen it been done pretty well in small weight classes. There is even a 3lb CO2 flipper called Flange that you can look up on youtube. I thought if you could do it in the beetle class you should be able to pull it off in the BotIQ class lol. We shall see how that works out for me.

    Thanks for answering my questions! Also amazing bot you have there. Have any plans to bring it to more competitions?

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    AlexHrnbcdowney

    Reply 4 years ago on Introduction

    I've never seen a good flipper unregulated flipper smaller than 30lbs. Good luck.

    Phoenix fought at FI 2013 (and took 3rd) and is registered for Motorama 2014 in February. At FI I broke the frame. I'm not sure if I'm going to rebuild with a better frame design or re weld it back together and save money.

    "But because of that ease of assembly I don't have any pictures of it partially assembled... so use your imagination."

    :P

    Did you draw up any plans or just improvise as you built? O.o

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    AlexHrnkelvinwolf

    Reply 5 years ago on Step 2

    Phoenix hasn't fought since February 2012 but it took 3rd at Motorama that year.

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    oldmechanic

    6 years ago on Introduction

    I've got an idea for an upgrade for you! You said it weighs 28 lbs, and the limit is 30lbs. Why not put in another gaz canister to increase the number of flips?

    And I have one last question. Is the robot you mentioned(Nyx) called near chaos? And is it traversable?

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    AlexHrnoldmechanic

    Reply 6 years ago on Introduction

    "Why not put in another gaz canister to increase the number of flips?"

    Phoenix doesn't have enough room inside it to put in a tank of a usable size. I also ended up using the weight to make some modifications to increase the durability of the frame and keep it from getting stuck on its side. I'll probably add a bit of info to this instructable about the modifications.


    "Is the robot you mentioned(Nyx) called near chaos? And is it traversable?"

    The other robot mentioned at the end of this instructable is called "Nyx" it was created by the team Near Chaos Robotics.

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    oldmechanic

    6 years ago on Introduction

    This is epic. why not create a youtube channel for it. By the way, can you maybye put in pictures of your last battlebots on?

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    AlexHrnoldmechanic

    Reply 6 years ago on Introduction

    I have a youtube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/Teamcooknwithgas

    You can find all of Phoenix's fights on youtube by searching for "Phoenix" "Motorama" "Nerc"

    Also you can read about my other bots on my blog which is linked somewhere near the top of the page.