The Repulsine Project




Introduction: The Repulsine Project

About: I like to improve myself and things I find :) Learning new things every day is next to impossible but I still try - only a working brain can work. I have no special sector to cover, electronics, electrical s...

Update 22/08/2015: Top diffusor now printable in two parts.
Update 20/08/2015: Top diffusor now in a version that can be joined with the top wave disk.
Update 19/08/2015: Top diffusor is finnished, at least for the model itself.
Will get an additional plate or similar for the printable version (if I figure out how to make these shape printable).

If you are a bit older and fascinated about old technologies you might have heard about Victor Schauberger's Repulsine.
Same of course if you are one the many UFO and conspiracy fans ;)

This not an Instructable of the usual kind as it less about actually making something for real but more about re-creating something that no longer exists in a complete form.

I have spent several weeks on the net trying to gather as much infos as possible, watched tons of videos and of course ripped my hair out sorting it all.
So if you are interested keep reading and stay updated on the progress over next few weeks or months.
For those only insterested in the models skip to step 3.

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Step 1: Who Was Victor Schauberger?

Victor Schauberger was born in 1885 and Holzschlag, Austria and died there 1958.
A bit of info can be found on the english Wiki page and on the German Wiki page which has much more infos.
As it absolutely no problem to find tons of articles about his life and work I will make it short here (and refer to the WWW ;) ) and only focus on the Repulsine.

Fact and fiction...
The most famous stories in relation to Schaubergers work are not about water or proper ways of treating nature.
If you know the name you most likely know it because of claims one of his Repulsine devices had such a violent lift off that it crashed through the steel roof of the hangar it was placed in.
Some stories go as far as claiming it happened despite massive chains (used to tow tanks) connected to the Repulsine and anchored in the 2m thick concrete floor.
Although these stories are good reading there are no reliable sources for what really happened.
The only thing that is 100% sure is that all the materials and documents related to the Repulsine project were taken by the US forces after WW2.
Official claims of the time were that it was war material.
So, at least for this bit there will never be a "true" story.... :(
However, there is something very interesting for the UFO guys.
Schauberger started to work on the Repulsine quite early as a modified version of his "Home heating generator" (a device claimed to warm an entire house for the cost of a single lightbulb).
His inspiration for the work might have come from another inventor that created a "sucktion motor" for air planes.
Henri Coandă not only was famous for what we know today as the "Coanda Effect" but also for the plane he build.
Instead of using propulsion, like on any other propeller machine, Coanda used an engine that sucked the air in through a vortex and expeled it over a rotating disk back out.
When you check the two designs it is hard to deny certain similarities.
Before and during the WW2 times there have been a lot of UFO sightings in and around Austria.
All mention a weird looking disk, egg or the classic flying saucer.
Images and drawings of these sightings look pretty much identical to the shematics for the repulsine in it's later design stages.
Right after the war ended there have been no more "UFO" sightings in Austria, but the exact same flying things have been sighted in the US, mainly in the Arizona region.
Considering all of the Replusine work was taken to the US the timing of the sighting, or better their disappearance in Austria could make you think that Schaubergers Repulsine actually worked as planned.
Sadly again there is no 100% authentic image or witness report bringing bothe together and the US till today refuses to provide unaltered copies of Schaubergers original documents - all you get is a lot of pages with most of the content blacked out.
Think what you like about this one ;)
Victor Schaubergers grandson traveled to the US to see the last remaining model of a Repulsine during a test run.
Dr. Harold Puhoff of the Institute for advanced studies was impressed with the build quality and performance.
According to him even with modern technology it would hard to build it much better.
During these reserches it became apperent that several parts of the Repulsine are missing.
Some have been recreated from old images but the most vital parts remain lost.
These missing parts are what Victor Schauberger described as "energising devices and directors".
They might have been similar to what was used in his other inventions like the water energiser and purifier or the home heater but nothing is certain.

As I do not have any original images and copyright is always an issue I will not include any here, please check the WWW and you will find plenty of info about the things I talk about here.

Step 2: Is the Repulsine an UFO, a Flying Machine or Something Entirely Different?

Be my guest and make you own educated guess here.
With no evidence available anymore the conspiracy theorists will be happy but everyone interest in the real fact is left out.

I think after reading so much about it I tend to say his original intention was to build the next version of his home heater.
Like a perpetuum mobile the device was planned to run forever without using energy - in fact the motor used to start it was supposed to work as a generator once up to speed.
What you see on images about the Repulsine that is very old shows it as a flying machine in the classic "Roswell UFO" style.
Later images from the remaining parts only show the internals of the Repulsine but not the housing around it that gave it the UFO look.
Comparing those old images with some of his inventions like the heart pump show a very similar design.
My guess is that the outer shell of the Repulsine was similat to that of the heart pump.
Which means the the air coming out the part that we now know as the remaining Repulsine was directed into a vortex that concentrated in the center.
With air being sucked in from the top and the added "vortex energised" air coming partially back in from the bottom the only real outlet was a hole in the bottom center of the outer hull.
Imagine these vortex shapes on the wings of a plane during take off and landing - they curl from the wing tips inwards.
The same happened inside the hull - but the vortex was in three dimensions.
Like the Kudu horn or the famous sprial pipes Schauberger created, the air followed a specific flow and it is claimed that Schauberger perfected this design to the state where there was no friction anymore.
Todays claims about these features of friction free water transport are again inconclusive.
For example one study claims there was neither a gain in flow rate nor a reduction in the power levels the pump used.
Another study however claims that at certain flow speeds a resonance effect happens and that during that resonance the friction (and pump power) was reduced to a barely measurable low.
Problem with that resonance was to keep it resonating as even the slightest variations in temp, flow rate and even outside air pressure affected it.

It does not matter if like weird science, old technology or just nature in general - Victor Schauberger showed us a better way.
Too bad that most of it is long forgotten.
But if you check the Lily- or Harman- Impeller you see how other people make a good profit by re-using Schaubergers old designs.
Time to bring back more of his inventions! :)

Step 3: The Model So Far....

Here I will show the parts of my model once they are finnished and I am satisfied with the result.
Please keep in mind that they are not meant to be accurate in terms of being a replica but that they are meant to be a 3D printable model once all is finnished.

Please keep in mind that it is simply impossible to re-create the original if there are missing parts!
Also consider that the final pieces will be modified to make them printable on a normal 3D printer as I have no access to a fancy resin or powder printer.

The first objects to arrive here are the "wave disks":

Repulsine Top Wave Disk by Downunder35m on Sketchfab

Time to create the basic shape: About 6 hours to get it right.
Time to create the cuts for the air: About 3 weeks until satisfied with size, shape, angle and location.
Time to clean the model in Sketchup after cutting out the air vents: 2 weeks!
Reminds me that there are certainly better programs for the job....
(Tried cleaning and fixing with the usual external programs and webservices but either the filesize exploded or the shape was changed in spots required to fit the other parts of the model)

The bottom part was taken from a model on Thingyverse and served as the guide to the scale of other all other parts.
At first I tried to use the top part of that model as well but it was unsuited for the diffusor I have in mind.

Repulsine Bottom Wave Disk by Downunder35m on Sketchfab

The next part to come will be the the top diffusor that has to fit tight into the top disk.
Give me some time to create it ;)

Here is the cutout for the the diffusor.
I still need to desgin and match the outer body that mounts to the wave disks but it will follow ;)

Repulsine Main Diffusor Mold To Cut by Downunder35m on Sketchfab

And the finnished diffusor:

Repulsine 2 0 Diffusor by Downunder35m on Sketchfab

Here the one to be joined with the top wave disk:

Repulsine 2 0 Top Diffusor Full Disk by Downunder35m on Sketchfab

Next will be the top air intake, which provides a challenge as there is little to zero info on it available.
But from the images I got I assume it must be similar to what was used in the home heater and other projects, so I will try it the same way.

Step 4: Printable Parts

Step 5: Not Forgotten...

I have a job, I have a life I have hobbies and projects...
But I also spent some time pondering about this old and never complete device.
You can find pictures, you can find notes and reports from people who claimed to have seen a replusine working.
Sadly it all ends where US military and science secrets start.
I was able to put together a lot of details that were involved in the original construction.
The more I found the more I realised it comes down to what we now call "Vortex math".
At least in terms of understanding some of the claimed working principles.
Resonance effects are multiplied throughout the system and combined with cavity effects and effects related to those found in molecular vacuum pumps.
To get the whole thing started a powerful and fast motor had to start the rotation.
Superheated steam was then introduced to the upper inlet areas.
The water vapour allowed for a much faster accelleration of the air than the rotation alone.
Loo up Newtons laws os physics if you like but lets just say the tiny water drops have the mass required.
And like air bubbles move water up they move the air around them to the outlets.
On the way through the various stages the steam is cooled down in certain areas so much that is causes massive frost build up on the outside surfaces.
While at the same in other areas it is heated so much that the metal parts started to glow.
The claims are now that a plasma is formed and once the steam is removed the system is self sustaining through air alone.
A lot of claims make sense through findings in modern science, like why the antilope shped inlets were used and why their arragement is like a pine cone or sunflower pattern.
Other things like the fine nozzles used on intake and outlet ares only make sense if realise the connection to other of Schaubergers drawings.
Most of these nozzles are actually tiny venturi systems.
That means they release a medium at high speed while creating a negative pressure differential in a different area.
At the time the high pressure outlet stream also causes the medium to cool down rapidly.
Biggest conundrum was the "wave disks".
Some if not all the drawings are inconclusive to say it nice.
Pictures only show so much...
After a lot of comparisons and checking other things in nature I realised something:
The wave disks are formed like the pattern you see when dropping a small rock into water.
The waves get longer and the amplitude lowers.
I have not been able to establish a formula for this but using LC oscillators shows a match of the amplitutes is possible.
And a well know natural sequence explains the change of distance between the waves.
If you take two harmonic waves like 440Hz and 880Hz and play them the resulting tone sound harmonic too.
Change one frequency just but a few Hz and you hear a pulsating tone.
The same happens in the wave discs with the media passing through.
It is set to swing at two frquencies that are slightly out of tune.
In return the molecules are stretched and compressed also resulting in a puslating and resonant swing.
A similar thing already happened in the inlet areas where the medium is set into a rotation that matches the frequency.
To play with the same numbers as above the rotational speed could be equal to the angular velocity of the medium at 220hz or 1320Hz.
All combined would have caused an amplitute peak and multiplication in the region of 2.45GHz.
This is during the initial start up when steam is used to start the reaction.
Once the steam is removed the replusine will start to speed up the rotation until all water molecules are out of the system.
If not slowed down manually now the air will form pockets of plasma in the resonant nodes along the system.
As plasma has a much higher volume than the air it adds to the pressure build up.
The sudden change from high pressure plasma to supercooled and compressed air releases energy, more energy than what is used.
Most if not all of the excess heat is released into areas where there are either intakes or inlets for the ventury nozzles.
Now hear me out with my homecooked theory:
If all parts work together the way I understand them so far then the excess heat is removed by a set of at least 48 very powerful venturi systems.
As a result the areas where heat would be able to escape would end up in a near vacuum.
And there not much heat at all will be lost...
Balance is the key and resonance is the answer.
The standing waves exiting the wave discs and entering the venturi system are at a high pressure node.
The last shape of the discs act like a circular venturi nozzle.
As a result the outlet streams of the system are at the same temperature as the surrounding air.
A slight change in rotational speed changes the location where the nodes will form and in return the outlet stream can be super cool or super hot.
Depending on the rotational speed the behaviour of the plasma changes.
This results in different magnetic fields to be generated with in the copper structure.
These create massive amounts of electricity that results in a continuous charge of the parts.
In full resonance such a system generates enough lift through the used medium to move a few tons.
Add magnetic and electrostatic fields at a magnitude we struggle to reach in rail guns and you see why a slight variation would cause it literall used the magnetic field of the planet to move along.
Like a magnet in electrical field lines...

The problem with creating a model from all this is that we have lost the knowledge to create such delicate and complex structures from copper or other materials.
Modern powder or resin based 3D printing might be a way out but won't help for creating something from copper.
Math is a problem too.
It is impossible to get accurate enough measurements to create a true model.
Even worse for those missing parts that only exist in written documents with no pictures at all.
With no regard to being complete or accurate a cheap 3D mill could create most parts to make it fit.
But only for looks not in terms of hollow areas, tunnels, pipes or actually doing anything.
Would be like a model of an engine with no moving parts...
A little group of people sharing the interest and at least one of them capable to form metal old school ways could make great progress.
I contacted several people creating beatufil tanks for motor bikes, who created masterful copper art work.
None of those who answered could offer any possible solution how to create just the antilope horns in this spiral pattern....

Personal or paranoid problems...
During my research I had contact with someone of same interest and living close enough to the museum with a "complete" repulsine to make it a day trip.
We were really exited once we had the idea to use a laser scanner.
A request for this was denied by the museem stating it would interrupt the other visitors and their experience of the museum.
The offer to pay for some after hour time to do a 2 hour scan was denied as well.
Funny enough my friend tried to get at least some decent pictures anyway.
And just by coincidence the area with the repulsine is now arranged that you can only take very basic pictures without violating the set boundaries.
A request to get unredacted copies of repulsine related documents from various US sources resulted in repeating myself over and over.
At some stage I informed that no unreducted copies exist.
Another source claimed the related documents are still classified despite being listed in a bunch of documents declassiefied for public use.
All requests to confirm or deny the existance of any complete and working repulsine remained unanser and ignored.
Seeing that quite similar although much more technical solutions are now used for ion and plasma propulsion engines it might explains some of the secrecy.
For me it still does not answer why (if it really exists) a remaining and working prototype is denied international studies.
The thing is by far old enough to say it should not hold any secrets we don't know from other science experiments already.
Like with other things "we know worked" and had the potential to change the world in terms of energy, transport or just possible weapon use all vital knoweledge seems to be lost.
All doors closed and all those trying to figure it out are treated like they try to sell snake oil to cure cancer.
Now, I like math, I like facts that I can put into relations, connect dots and bread crumbs.
But if I would be paranoid then I would have to say that the options to understand and re-create old or even ancient technolgies are supressed.
Patents we know were lodged and granted disappeared, inventions that were shown off to a public and groupr scientists disappeared together with their inventors.
It just makes no sense why some things that could change or could have changed the world as we know it are reduced to bedtime stories of weird people in old books books and now on youtube.

Step 6: Are There Any Future Plans on Finnishing the Project?

Well, to be honest no.
At least not from my side alone.

With a select group of like minded people willing to explore and gether more detailed informations, maybe...
A "database" of found documents, thoughts, found details and relations.
A way to exchange and collaborate.
Someone with an understanding how to create the required structrures from copper and brass and how to solder or braze it all to result in a balanced system.
People with a real love of math and doing a lot of calculations.
People with an understanding of aerodynamics, vortex and venturi systems.
People that now how to handle and control plasma, who understand who, why and where it could be formed.
People with a great understanding of resonance effects, how sound or waves travel through a media that changes density.
People with no family and friends who love to waste their life finding documents on the internet, in libraries or old news archives ;)
Everyone will have some ideas, some clues, some knowledge on how to make a small part work with the rest.
If we then would also have some really good with computer simulations in regards to such a complex system we might have a chance...

But jokes aside:
The knowledge is lost through time or other circumstances.
We only have pieces of the puzzle and all pieces together might form a more complete understanding.
And who knows, given enough time and people we might even be able to get at least enough drawing and pictures together to say we should have all parts we need.
We won't have original parts or tools, so we need to substitute.
That is where the great variety of people or "hobby scientists" comes into place.
Let me try to explain what I mean:
If someone would provide all details for those venturi nozzles and how exactly they were connected then someone with enough brains would be able to create a simulation that shows under which conditions such nozzle would be most effective.
From there we could extrapolate the required air intake volumes and maybe even velocities.
From here computer models and a lot of input from everyone could find ways to match dimensions and parts to work together the best we understand the system.
For some of the most basic parts you could compare it to saxophone.
With no clue how one works try to build one from desriptions and pictures alone.
Once done try to make it sound like the real thing ;)
But if you would have someone with enough detialed images of all angles and all possible "working conditions" you only need someone to know how the thing must sound to make it complete with a lot of time and experiments.
I estimate that with enough people and dedication a close to working model should be possible within 10 years.
With enough funding and proper eqippment and support much quicker.
Which again makes me wonder why noone seened to have tried this...

If you ever bothered to check my funny experiment how to misuse math for all sorts of things you will love the next part...

Step 7: Why I Think Tesla and Einstein Are Involved ;)

A lot of great people never got the credit for their work during their lifetime.
Other only saw a true realisation of their great ideas long after they were dead.
One thing they all have in common is that a lot of their work only made it out of controlled enviroments many years after they were perfected.
Like your common microwave for example.
In other areas we see similar things throughout history.
For example we were totally happy to move from a two stroke engine to a four stroke.
But after that we set back, relaxed and only worried much later on how reduce emissions, boost efficiency and make it more "eco friendly".
A lot of people claimed over the years to have found the perfect combustion engine or even one running on water.
Only since the internet became available to "everyone" the flood of information literally exploded.
Suddenly people who based their designs of opposing pistons or even went as far as including them in a rotary system are celebrated.
The funny thing how many of these new engines are based on principles we laughed about only a few years back.
It is almost like someone removed the lid from pandoras box and allowed some if it to escape so we all can benefit from it much later.
Quantum computers are used by Google and high end research and military installations, well by Apple too...
What was theory a few years back is now reality with most of us not even aware of it.

Here is were I start my bedtime story for those in demand of fun, all others please skip it ;)
If you see just the so called compter revolutions we can see that old predictions were outgrown years ago.
Also that certain high end ideas never made it into the computer consumer market.
But the same is true for other sectors of science and technology.
We can create stronger and more durable alloys then ever.
Understand how to use special molecular glues instead of screws and rivets, even widely use carbon fibre materials.
Even our TV evolved like a weed from a small BW box to laser projectors or for those with less money wall sized smart TV's.
We humans really like to use pyramids to show certain relations.
Like how many super rich people there are compared to poor and the middle class.
Also to show company structures from the top the lowest worker.
If someone would not attempt use existing predictions that we already surpassed and combines it with more accurate predictions based on the exponential "overshoot" so far....
We would end with some, for most, totally meaningless numbers.
I mean, who would really care when we abandone comustion engines for electrical one or when your laptop will be able to create a virtual reality with input from your brain?
But with all this date we could try to predict when we would reach the peak of technological "evolution" until we need a higher understanding or totally unknow materials.
Depending on what sources or predictions you trust or if you even dare to do your own we end with a timeframe of 10 to 15 years.
By then we will have either developed enough new technology to create even more insane things like carbon nano particles or have found ways to utilise natural sources we ignored so far.
Like minerals, rare metals....
See what we have now like how we got from a BW TV to our modern smart TV's.
You might be able to comprehend how long it took to get there but try to imagine the "TV" of 2030...
The repulsine might re-appear faster than some might think....
What really strikes me about some of these predicted time frames is how they related to space travel and such.
If we find the bread crumbs of the long halted moon program and check the current predictions for the new attempt to finally get up there again we find a striking match.
Same for what the few private comapnie have in visions for our future.
After enough checks the region around 2030 becomes a target zone.
Technology will then be developed like new variations of cookies.
We might even finally reveal the missing laws of physics.
And if you really like good fictional stories you might wonder why Nasa would not make one?
Remember all these end of days asteriod movies?
We already love to get our telescopes out to see a comet pass through the solar system.
So what if there would be one coming really close to us, within the lifespan of most us?
Of course there is time and it is suffient to let everyone know once they can see it on their normal hobby telescopes....
Well, the thing is you would not really need one....
2029 and again 2036 a comet with the meaningful name Apophis will come to visit us.
At a distance in 2036 that is much less than the distance between earth and moon....
What makes it so funny is the date: 13/04 both years.
13 04 2036= 1+3+4+2+3+6= 18 1+8=9
3 x 6= 18 ...
2 x 9= 18 ...
13 04 2029= 1+3+4+2+2+9= 21 2+1= 3 ...
Playing with numbers is fun but a very similar result comes out if we use the ancient maya calendar and the relation to math the used.
Same for a lot of other old cultures that based their calandar on the movements of the moon or planets, like the islam.
You see why would really like to have working repulsine for a crew of 9 by 2028 and a bigger for and additional amount of 72 passengers and cargo by 2035 ;)

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    19 days ago

    I guess it is time to consider one of the last missing clues of the inlet system the Repulsine used.
    As we know a few things seem to have gone missing from all remaining machines we can still observe in a museem and such places.
    It is the link between the actual kudu-horn like inlets on the top cone and the connection to the wave disks.

    I have spent now quite a few years trying to understand how and WHY the Repulsine must have worked as we can read in historic documents.
    And to be honest I can't really find any excuse why I overlooked this surprisingly simple desgin explanation for so long as it the key to making most the Repulsine work.
    I also allowed the download of the Replusine model parts I uploaded so far ;)
    What is the story about?

    Well, if you check the really old pictures showing what is claimed to be fully working machines you might notice the top cone.
    A bit further down we have the rounded inlets for the kudu horns.
    So why then would you need this perfectly shaped sphere in the center and ABOVE these inlets?
    Certainly aerodynamics were not really design factor for this....
    What about the part holding the many horns in place???
    So far the common theory was that the horns form the inlet and that at their thinnest ends they enter the wave disk.
    And this is exactly what I overlooked for so long :(
    This disks are spinning but the inlets are not!!!
    Means you would need a pretty good seal bewtween the moving parts - not easy in the size required.
    But what if there was no seal at all? Just a tiny gap instead?
    If the kudo horns would enter a tube, which is also their "mounting column" then the air would enter in many streams that rotate around itself and around the tube!
    The first vortex is created.
    The beauty about this is that we can use a single stage Tesla valve as our "seal" between disks and inlet area!
    Will upload my drawings one day, for now try to hear me out:
    Check the drawings for the Tesla valve on Wikipedia or such first please!
    Imagine the first valve stage in a circular and vertical design.
    Now, instead of this wave-funnel shape imagine the curve to back up.
    Our kudo horns "feed" into the outer part of this re-director.
    Their rotating air stream now gets twisted around and upward while being further compressed.
    We now continue with the re-director design at it's top part:
    Another "cone" with helical channels directs the now upward facing air stream into a rotary motion directed at the walls of the inner cylinder.
    The complete re-director would have to look a bit like a donut as we need the hole in the center!

    Design explanation:
    The re-director as fixed with the wave disks, in terms of rotating with it, will not only re-direct the air stream!
    With the gap that is required it doubles up as a big venturi nozzle, sucking in air in through the gap.
    So need to actually make sure this area is air tight, quite the opposite as the gap needs to be big enough!
    Our kudo air stream is now forced to form a multi-helical vortex in the tube.
    One helix for every inlet horn.
    The inner tube however is already conical and narrower at the bottom - quite the opposite to a normal vortex tube.
    It puzzeled me for a while and I had to watch an endless amount of flow simulations online to get a grasp of what is happening in this inverted vortex tube.
    We have multiple air streams that are highly compressed and reach velocities in excess of what I dare to state openly here.
    These streams cause a massive centrifugal force due to the spin the get from the twisted horns and being compressed by the re-director.
    The funny thing now is that all these streas rotate in the same direction around itself and in the same direction for their added spin as a in terms of being "twsited by the horns".
    They act a bit like matching gears so to say.
    Being forced through the re-redrector means they combine into one single vortex stream with multiple twists - like twsiting up some thin ropes to make a much thicker one.
    It is one solid "rope" made from multiple, twisted thinner ropes and these thinner ones again are made up the same was as the bigger ones.
    The top donut of the re-director now rips this thick rope apart with multiple helical outlets.
    Inertia and rotational forces keep these ripped out parts spinning.
    And with this spin they get yet another spin added when going up on the walls of the inner tube.
    As this tube expands towards the top, the airstream is slowed down but only for the circular motion around the tube walls, the inner spin of the stream is carried on.
    There is one way in and only one way out - the hole in our re-director donut.
    The top cone of the inner tube, which is nicely visible on the exterior pictures, caused the outer vortex to collapse on itself.
    Only way to go is back down and inside the air stream coming up along the outer walls.
    But this now means the downfacing airstream needs to pick up speed and will be compressed again.
    As a result it exits through our donut hole IMHO close to the pressure to acutally liquify air.
    Which means at this point the air would change it's state of matter from gas to liquid!
    Additionally such a system would also massively cool down the air stream, which only make it easier to compress it into a liquid.

    Matching the wave disk inlet...
    Again quite hard to solve at first glance, surprisingly simple if you keep in mind what happend a bit further up.
    Even if the stream would not be a liquid by now, exiting the donut hole and entering a lower pressure area will cool it down.
    A sharp cone will direct the twisted air stream into a flat one.
    Nicely shaped to allow for a smooth transition of course.
    And preferably enclosed:
    Imagine a sine wave shaped cone with a matching funnel to cover it.
    The air stream enters at the thin top with a matching hole size.
    (Again if you pay close attention another Venturi system ;) )
    In return your rope like stream turns into a rather weird curling pancake shape.
    This guided by the helical twist in in our "sinus funnel".

    What does all this mean in combination now?
    We can explain how the require negative pressure systems were created.
    We can also explain how it was supposedly possible to use the Repulsine to cool down a huge hangar in less than 30 minutes.
    Unless the created heat engine does not use the excess energy for something like creating heat or motion or electricity it has to get freezing cold.
    At least that is what the laws of thermodynamic tell us.
    The key however is to combine and keep the vortex created by the kudu inlet system.
    Like a good Dyson, multiple stages are used to create faster spinning and more compressed vortex systems.
    In theory the original claims should be fully true and the velocties reahed are enough for molecular sized particles to be subject to g- and centrifugal forces.
    Enough for sure to create insane amounts of static electricity from the rubbing air streams.
    Inside our wave disk we now have the final link that never made real sense before.
    What good is it to have air going through various pressure changes between the disks if the disk is rotating?
    Made no real sense to explain the old claims until you consider that we now have an incoming air stream that is already circular and that also curls around itself like breaking waves.
    This rotation of the air stream is what is mostly affected inside the wave disk!
    The shape of the disks means this rotation in the pressure changing areas is faster on the surface of the upper disk and slower on the surface of the lower disk.
    Another static differencial that this time creates two different electrical potentials for the disks.
    As they are electrically linked it means quite strong electromagnetic fields are created.
    Most likely strong enough to have an effect of the atomic particles that make the air stream.
    Imagine some being attracted to the top disk while others are attracted by the bottom disk.
    With the increasing diameter of the "rings" the magnetic field strength increases - effectively acting like a particle accelerator.
    Like in you old analog TV...
    An already insanely fast air stream, insane voltages and magnetic fields - we got plasma :)
    What is a plasma in an environment of too high pressure and too cold temperatures to "ignite" - a high intensity discharge...
    Enough to create the instant change of state from matter back to liquid air.
    And this is what exits the nozzle system to the outside while providing again excess energy and cooling.
    Only thing left to figure out is what happens to the heavy particles in the air stream and how they are seperated.
    But I am confident if not me, then someone else will be able to figure out where the "waste of the Dyson" ends up.


    5 months ago

    Hi, what do you think about the idea of some sort of github site where all could access your findings? Or maybe publishing somewhere within the deepweb since individual security might be a concern at this topic.
    Greetings from Germany


    Reply 5 months ago

    Na dann mal Prost! ;)
    The idea is not too bad althoug just access is not really the answer here.
    No matter where you start to place and collect all the bits and pieces it will be available to the wrong people.
    No user check or secret loging on a dark web server will prevent this.
    Unless of course you want to go the extra mile and include end to end encryption both ways plus additional encryption the server level.
    A bit of overkill for the normal hobby builder.

    The main problem is attention.
    What is left of the original(s) is either not found yet or in places with quite limited access despite being a public museum.
    Asking questions in these places gets even more attention than trying to take detailed pictures or even 3D scans.
    I heard stories where people where forced to delete their images and scans to prevent legal action from the museum.
    A lot of quite detailed documents could b made available to the public.
    They still would not allow to just build or replicate the original though.
    Modern manufacturing methods like laser sintered 3D printing certainly allows to compensate for a lot of building a trade skills we no longer have.
    But even those won't help us without the correct measurements and dimensions.
    Keep in mind that documentations back them was not like today.
    The inventor kept his ideas on paper but not always all the required details.
    We did not hear about anyone ever being granted full access to everything.
    If we would then we might have found quite similar things in our modern technology already.
    The reluctance to share by those who have repulsine parts or documents might not be just for the sake of making sure they are the only ones to have it.
    It is not like some old clock that you don't want anyone to touch.
    The more you understand about the inner workings of the repulsine the more relations to seemingly unrelated techonlogies you can find.
    We work on fusion reactors now and there we need to guide the hot plasma without the wall materials burning away.
    Isn't it funny how some types of them seem to cops the intake horn shape of the repulsine or to be precise: Schaubergers way of making dense wood float on water instead of sinking?
    We recently also "learned" that plasma can be self containing - just check all these grape plasma videos on youtube...
    For the human we still try to find the missing link in Africa instead of the Antarctis.
    The Repulsine might be the missing link for our modern technology.
    Currently, at least officially, we still seek to create energy by either a generator or solar cells.
    Energy became the replacement term for electricity.
    Certain aspects of the Repulsine might hold the secret to what can be considered cold fusion.
    Only problem is the plasma created by the replusine was indeed cold while our "cold fusion" experimental reactors use plasma that is hotter than the surface of the sun...
    And of course they currently waste far more energy than what they could ever produce.
    I just ask:
    Why do we need to contain a hot plasma if it was possible to create a cold plasma almost hundred years ago already?

    What we really need is metal workers and tinkerers with too much free time.
    The basic parts are mostly known, how to actually make them with enough accuracy not so much.
    After all we can't just make a nice part for our hydraulic press to form copper sheets.
    Small, basically desk top versions existed at least for heating and cooling purposes.
    they were the early models and if we would be able to at least replicate a working version of these the project would be unstoppable.
    I am still thinking about a Kickstarter or Go fundme approach but with an unknown outcome in terms of actually making it work it does not seem fair.
    For a while I tried to find some backers in the industry.
    Companies with an innovative approach in other areas and with enough money so a wasted project wouldn't hurt.
    Despite including as much details as I dared the response was next to non existing.
    From about 180 Emails send out I got just four non-automated responses.
    And those were all nice but made clear they have no interest.
    I know there is still quite a few people out there with copies of most of the orignial documents prior to becoming a Nazi project.
    Some might not even know what their grandfather left them in that little box...
    Everyone is happy to claim the Replusine never actually worked despite evidence that shows it working in picture and film.
    But what do think how many of these people even tried to replicate one? ;)
    My dream would still be a free website with a nice chat function, download section and such tings we know and love from forums.
    A place where people can share what they created so far, ask for help and keep everything updated.
    People that have some old documents might share scans of them while others contemplate about getting it all together.
    Question how to reach all these people and keep such a website alive and free without using too many ads of unknown origins...


    8 months ago

    I am wondering if we could run simulations straight in 3d software packages? Aren't we able to simulate gravity, and physics as it is already in real world?


    1 year ago

    I know quite a bit of Schauberger's views of the wold, nature and his work.
    Also how a lot of it ended and why it was pushed into the fogs of forgetting.
    The same reason why people who know at least a little about it won't even state that the fish simply changes the electrical properties of the water coming out of the gills is the reason why the ones with more knowledge won't tell:
    It can be studied and used with ease but anyone who dares to publish results that go against ****** will see consequences.

    The same is ture for a lot of inventors or just people thinking and doing things outside what we are imprinted on by schools and so called scientists.
    Just check how long it took the US to finally admit that Edison but just a good businessman but simply stole the idea for the lightbulbs from long existing patents.
    All he did was improve on the thing.
    Would be the same as calling someone the inventor of the internal combustion engine just because he invented a new injection system.
    Others like Tesla were only used by powerful companies and the government.
    Before the first WW there were a lot of promising inventors and a lot of their patents and ideas are still used today in a much more modern form.
    Some stuff that was only a theory due to a lack of technology or quite simply the modern materials, is now hailed as a totally new thing.
    After the second WW things got out of control and a lot of independent sources claim the only real reason that Hitler was not stopped in a covart way year earlier was that the allies needed the inventions and technologies.
    Literally everything and everyone considered to be of any value was taken by the allies.
    Be it Russia, GB or the US - they all would be far lower on todays foodchain without the stolen people and technologies...

    All my private data, my private work, all that is important to me is stored on encrypted and biometrically locked devices, no cloud, nothing online, not even prints...
    Some call it paranoid, other call me mad, some call me still being to careless with what I post online or make available to other people.
    What I do I mainly do for myself these days.
    I get my ideas, follow them as much as I can, take the results and am happy if something that worked 100 years ago can be re-created.
    Why would I do this if so many people could work with it, make it perfect and benefit?

    Many years ago I got word of someone claiming to have found way to created enough electricity from "nothing" to power his little farmhouse in the middle of nowhere.
    Was at a little farmers market and I only noticed him because he showed pictures of something that looked oddly familiar to me.
    Seen far too many fakes and hoaxes about it to not clearly see on the pictures that his design was the closed to the orignal drawings and pictures I once got access to in a museum.
    And as the whole event was not too far away I decided to take the 3 hour drive the next weekend to attend the live presentation.
    I have military training and anyone who got the same is able to see typical military hairstyles, behaviour and observation techniques.
    I spotted 3 individual groups trying their best to pretent they would not notice the other two while keeping a close eye on them.
    But also a hand full of individuals that only looked like average Joe from next door.
    No guy from the "outback" runs around in brand new shoes in a back country area with pot holes and mud everywhere - most don't even own new shoes LOL
    And he would also never refuse a cold beer offered for free...
    Anyway, no one was actually allowed to get closer than 3m to the machine, no pictures allowed but it wa made clear by moving it all around that there is no hidden wires, batteries or anything.
    An hour later everyone was asked to consider to donate to keep the project up and get it to a market final stage one day.
    People talked, peopled talked with guy and I did the same for a while.
    The three groups only watched and listened.....
    We got along quite well, sharing similar backgrounds and interests in the "other things" so I was invited to come back a month later so we can exchange some data, infos and maybe even start something new and interesting.
    He had no phone, no computer and never any interest in city life, just his little farm.
    I made it back with my laptop, some hard drives and little things I created that I though could interest the guy.
    The sheep almost attacked me hoping I would have something to eat.
    The dog was gone.
    The shed, the house and everything was empty.
    No sign of the guy anywhere.
    "Next door neighbour" was about 7km down the track, he did not even notice the guy was gone but noticed a lot of smaller trucks earlier the other month....
    I am not saying the guy just got stressed and moved away.
    Nice option though.
    Problem is that no one I know, who grew up and lived in a remote area, would leave the animals behind he cared for all his life.
    And if someone with little contact to the neighbours and no family left dies than usually no one botheres to empty and clean his belongings once found.
    According to local police the guy is still there but they also admitted they never did any wellfare checks in that area as it is too far out.

    My work will continue and maybe one day appear online or as a prototype but it will start as just a parcel to some indepent tech or research group with a well know track record of making all their stuff available for free to everyone ;)
    To finnish my studies on the repulsine I need access to the few left more or less intact.
    Apart from the impossibility to get enough leave from work and the money for these trips I won't be able to get what I need.
    All my requests for a future study, 3D scan or even inside views and making the thing spin have been refused, if they bothered to answer at all.
    Some museums are proud to have something but if you have too much interest in that something then it seems to be be pulled away from you.
    I had several offers from people trying to take pictures and videos for me.
    From most I never heard again.
    The few who kept me informed all stated that it was impossible to get more than what we already get from official pictures and old documents.
    Anyone noticed to take an unusal interest in the repulsine, spending too much time with it is complimented away to enjoy other exhibits.
    The only real answers that repeats itself with all replies to my request is:
    "We do not have a fully complete model."
    "We can not take it apart or remove anything."
    "We do not operate it in any way or form, it is a stationary exihibt."
    "Due the location and value of the repulsine we can allow the required clearance to perform detailed 3D scans or allow touching it to get measurements."
    "We do offer any private visits, so please stop asking for a required entry fee or donation amount for it."
    In case you decide to visit the mediterranian area:
    Just try to see some the really interesting documents or locked away exhibits from the Tesla museum ;)
    There is even TV shows that tried with money, fame, or just plain scientific evidence and they all got refused....
    Just for entertainment purposes:
    Although the real number of trunks is known, their todays sum makes no sense.
    The initially lost one appeared slowly over the years.
    One was "found" in the ownership of close relatives for example.
    Two were corrected in recent years in the list the museum has, or claims to have.
    Three were appearently meantioend in recently opened US files.
    Formerly only availabe "eyes only" and above clearance the totally reducted files speak of three more turnks than officially stated in all those years.
    Still over 10 trunks are "missing"....
    And all the ones that appeared in the museum were in the former posession of one or more US government "facilities".
    Of course offically they never had any in the first place....
    But then again: The US made it to the moon and back without ever mentioning that in fact it was the german tech and scientist that made it possible.
    Since all is US owned it was never considered to be worthy to mention.
    Dr. Brown is a US citizen, so who bothers where he was born, how quickly he became a US citizen without any complications and who in his great team had to learn english first...

    Out of topic and only for a very special person still followoing me, so please ignore!
    To the "nice" guy from two years ago:
    You know that I knew right away what your real background is.
    The documents offered are simply not available to anyone without the right clearance.
    Since you know what I have and you also know what I want:
    Send me the files I requested, if authentic you get what you keep asking for.
    And yes, you results are correct, the provided email account no longer exist LOL
    Don't blame me if what you know about 369 is not enough to justify the exchange.
    I tell you how it is done once I have read what I want to read ;)
    You confirmed my number are correct, you have a calculator and can't solve it.
    I only used paper and pencil with some common drawing tools in Tesla's circle of math ROFL


    Reply 1 year ago

    Hello very interesting your answer.
    Well here I share two photos one of the possible missing piece or maybe a prototype.

    The other photo you can see that the plates or copper discs were made with a press, because in one of your comments you say that technology was lost.

    Well I would also like to say that the work in 3d of the discs is good, but there are missing in the discs more turns or steps or waves that have been 6 waves in total.
    Good luck in your work.


    4 years ago on Introduction

    Does anyone have decent pictures of the underside of the Repulsine?
    I don't mean the mounting frame with the motor attachment but one of these rare images where the complete outer hull is shown?


    Reply 2 years ago

    I have you need this photo still?


    Reply 2 years ago

    All pics that I miss will help :)


    Reply 2 years ago

    Can you give your email form me,I'll send to you photos ;)


    Reply 1 year ago

    Sorry for the late reply, but I got sidetracked a bit.
    No without the "help" of missed notifications here ;)

    I am currently setting up a new Email for these kind of things.
    Something to exchange infos and files with other keen people.
    My work might never be completed but I am working on ways to go "social" with it all.
    Changing tactics and in some way opening up is becoming a neccessary requirement as time is running out.
    There are less than 20 years left to come to final conclusions and working prototyptes to change the tides.
    Our way of seeing and dealing with technology is going in the wrong direction.
    We are fooled to see renewable energies like solar and wind as the solution to our problems with fossil fuels, emmisions and global warming.
    And those promoting it so hard from a government level down simple fail to inculde some vital facts.
    No matter if it is solar technology, modern wind generators or quite simply almost all modern electronics we know and love - they all have one thing in common:
    They rely on ressources that are far more limited than even Gold...
    There is a good reason for the export/import wars between the US and China.
    China holds almost all vital ressources for things like rare earth metals, rare elements, lithium and most importantly very rare elements only recently discovered to be of great importance for the development of future technologies.
    We all already pay the price for this war every day.
    A top end gaming computer for VR could be available for under $800US instead of the current $3000 - 6000US ;)
    Without the useless hording of lithium for electric cars that have no future other sectors could be far cheaper, not to mention consumer batteries.
    A phone like the S9 could be yours for less half the current cost of the production materials used.
    Imagine that saving on your purchase...
    We don't need to destroy nature to utilise its force for us, Schauberger knew it the same way Tesla used it for his inventions.
    The repulsine worked just fine, was intensively tested and already in the development at a prototype stage for manned flight.
    All data available at the time showed that even jet fighters that came much later and at the end of the war would have looked like paperplanes in comparison (for speed and flight manouvers).
    And really no one ever bothered to to check if the Nazies had the prototypes anywhere?
    And not a single of the many different and fully working prototypes survived the "inspections" of the allies?
    Might explain why they all officially claimed it was a totally useless invention that actually never worked...
    Fringe science is what before our grandfathers were even considered to be born often just old technolgy that was rediscovered.
    But since we all know science so well it is clear that is all just bogus and not even any cheap TV show in the night program will touch the topic.
    So vortex technology might never make anywhere or those trying to fully unerstand it will suddenly find new employment and become silent.
    Just because we still fail to fully understand it does not make working proof of concept inventions and machines a fraud.
    Of course it also means that still 99% of that stuff you find is just bogus or a hoax, just look for all these "free energy toys" on youtube - a led, some wire like a paperclip and you get electricity for nothing.
    Just don't pay attention to the tiny battery in the coil LOL
    The puzzle pieces scattered around the world need to come together and form a fit to become a picture, if you know what I mean.
    Everyone knows something, some people know more, some have more, no one know the othes and no one has a clue.
    Once that changes and people again can work together with a free mind there will be true progress.
    What is out in the open and for everyone to see and copy or use can't be taken away or locked up anymore.
    The internet not only allows communication but also sharing.
    I call it:
    Project Open Eyes!
    Find lost inventions.
    Re-create old technologies.
    Use old knowledge, technologies and understandings of things.
    Go back to the basics while utilising the modern.
    It did not need a computer, display or sensors back then, no carbon fibre or super magnets either, so why bother to replace at the start only to fail on the finnish? ;)
    If you can beat it with a hammer then you don't need a CNC machine for it.
    A plank of wood and a hand saw was used, so why again do you want to 3D it?
    You get the picture I hope.
    Forget science you learned in school, forget to use a modern calculator or MS office for your notes, use pen and paper.
    The brain can only truely learn if you allow it to!
    I had to read a lot for my school tests or exams, take tons of notes, read it all again and often start over.
    But I learned it and it stayed in my brain for later use.
    Try a whole week without modern tech or comfort.
    Some will say a nice fishing trip into the Canadian wilderness for a week is a dream come true.
    Others might love a camping and hiking trip near Mount Everest.
    And how many people, friends, family members and kids do you know who would get a mental breakdown if the internet would be gone for just one single day? ;)
    You want to build a wooden cod, you look it up on Google.
    But if you have no clue about using a saw, wood glue or even what kind of varnish to use: Would you really put your kid in it?
    But if you learned it from someone experienced by doing it properly and correctly you not just have a nice cod but also a new skill ;)
    Ok, enough hijacking - sorry!!!


    Question 1 year ago

    Good Morning Downunder35m.
    I hope I find you well. I was thinking, after taking into consideration that the "Working" parts are all made from copper, and that fact that this is an implosion device which will positively charge the air. If the "Working" components are insulated from each other with a dielectric substance, like a capacitor. The air entering would positively charge the copper plates and the spinning motion with eventually give the air a negative charge as it exited the machine. the positive charge with jump to the outside of the external spinning dome. As in Thomas Townsend Browns findings : Forward motion is to the positively charged surface. I have included some of the T. Townsend Brown images on his concepts. I'm noticing many similarities.


    Reply 1 year ago

    Finally someone who seems to think in similar directions :)
    Sadly from I could gather from videos and pic it looks like basically all copper and brass parts are connected one way or the other.
    Soldering, brazing, rivets, screw...

    But, and for me it is a big but:
    The described funtions of the repulsine (from old documents, articles, interviews) all come down to one thing alone.
    The medium, in our case air, is propelled internally so fast and through so many changing directions and pressures that it is hard to understand.
    At least from normal persons standpoint all these years ago.
    Combining your thoughts and me thoughts I could be tempted to say something like this:

    The air in the first two stages is accellerated and put into a very fast spinning motion, like on a Dyson vacuum cleaner you end up with whirpools within whirlpools.
    Only the slow moving particles actually make it into the third stage by themself.
    The venturi nossles, especially those in the last two stages, will cause a low pressure zone within the bottom part of the repulsine.
    The low pressure zone "sucks" in the fast moving particles from the first two stages.
    The overall design is so that the spinning motion continues but only for the entire incoming stream.
    This stream "runs" along the outer surface, keeping the low pressure zone in the center active.
    Only looking at the overall streams that made it into the inner low pressure zone:
    The air passed through different nozzels at very high speed.
    As a result the air is cooled down and if I trust reports enough to be able to cool a factory sized room by almost 10° within less than 2 hours.
    Going on:
    This freezing cold air requires far less volume than hot air.
    On top of it, it is under a really low pressure.
    This air is now the main stream used to actually enter the copper wave disc part!
    Once it enters through the nozzles with the normal incoming air I think two things happen:
    a ) The sudden mix of warmer air causes expansion of the overall volume.
    b ) Condensation is eliminated as the super cold part of the stream will always be colder than the surrounding metal.
    Once in the copper wave disk the air gets even more spin added, the the same direction.
    Only this time the spin produces centrifugal forces as well.
    So you have a stream, spinning around itself, that enters a rotating disk - like a Tesla turbine in a flat design.
    the further the stream goes in the more it looses the self-spin.
    First the fast moving bits are ripped off, then the slow moving ones until it is one homogenous stream pressed out like dough.
    Problem is the stream goes through a lot of pressure changes along the way out to the nozzles.
    A drawing would be good but I miss the print button on my head :(
    I can visualise it really nice but getting this nice view onto paper ruins it.
    If required I will try anyway :)
    Now, as I found out really late in my research: the wave disks are not really parallel to each other!
    If you see it as a cut out then a single intersecting area looks almost like a weird whistle.
    On the upper part of the discs the air just utilises the surface effect to follow on at a much higher speed.
    Behind the edge of the lower disc however a small vortex area forms as the result of the slow down of airflow.
    I can not even guesstimate the insane rotation speed in these vortices, nor the resulting pressure drop in this area.

    As we both seem to know: the actual rotation is started externally first to get the thing going.
    At a certain speed it not only becomes self sustaining but only accelerates - this moment indicates the motor shut down.
    The rotation of the repulsine's outside in a fully working model is zero!
    Only the simple prototypes were the spinning horrors that needed to be bolted down in exteral frames.
    The nozzles have two main functions:
    a ) Modify the air flow and regulate the low pressure zones.
    b ) Counteract the mechanical spin of the inner system by the outgoing airflow - like a helicopter with a tail turbine.
    A thing often overlooked is the fact that there are multiple in and outlets on the outer hull.
    Same for the modern comparison of the wave disk system: A mulecular vacuum pump.
    In some pictures of the wave discs I think have seem holes in the waves.
    Only located at the first few rings after the intake rings.
    It is next to impossible to judge the thickness of the material and I can only guess the the look of the area underneath these slot holes.
    But they do appear like a whistle style nozzle.
    They are definately right in the spot where the surface flow happens, so the airstream should pass over this hole without being affected.
    That is until you consider the pressure differences between the outer sides of both discs.
    I assume these slots are the regulating factor to control the max rotational speed.
    Without them the whole inner mechanism would simple keep accelerating until the repulsine rips apart from centrifugal forces.
    A thing that happened several times with the early prototypes.

    Adding your thoughts to the mix it would be nice to figure out how and where the different electrical potentials form as these would also affect the airflow and properties.
    The report glow on working prototypes at full capacity indicates a clear and massive charge.
    But if you examine the construction of the replusine with a focus on the ouside then one thing is obvious:
    The inner stream is partially diverted to go over the outer surface.
    Again just with a focus of charges:
    What would happen to the charge of a fast spinning stream passing over metal surfaces?
    It gives off some of this charge, pretty obvious but I had to point it out.
    The stream however won't be able to loose all the electrical charge as at the point of eqaul operation activities it will stay charged.
    Like a flowing river so to say - it never stops, so the charge never reall goes down to zero.
    And if siad stream now passes through very narrow areas then both the stream and the charge of it will be compressed.
    As a result a plasma forms in this area.
    And air as an energetic plasma requires far much volume!
    Suddenly the whole implosion theory makes much more sense as the reported pulsing is not a result of changing air pressures but the same effect we have on a dead simple scream jet engine.
    Also explains why the pulsing stopped when the visible outer glow started - the plasme was no longer forming in interrupts but from then on is ongoing.
    The whole repulsine literally went silent apart from the noise of the bearings and airflow.

    What does that now mean for the "free energy" fans and claims that the repulsine never actually worked?
    This might shock you to hear but we are still missing some of the laws of physics.
    Namely those based on resonance and harmonics.
    I really don't want to prove that I am officially a nut case but did you ever check the so called "bearing motor" ?
    Just bearings, a metal axle and lots pow amps - and it spins like mad!
    Nothing efficient, unless you have massive amounts of energy to waste!
    The official claims from so called experts:
    The laws of physics tell us that it is impossible to create energy.
    It is also impossible to transmit or transform energy without losses.
    Therfor the repulsine can not sustain its rotation from the airflow.
    My claim is, since the abundance of energy is evident by the glow:
    The nozzle design supports the best possible way to utilise the energy from the airflow.
    If it has to come out anyway then in a manner that helps to keep the spin up.
    And with the outer hull on one charge and the inner on the opposite charge: what is between the two?
    Right, a set of bearings forming a bearing motor....
    But since we still neither fully understand plasmas, nor how to really use them as a source to create electrical power: what the heck do I know....


    Reply 1 year ago

    Boeing used a similar flow in their "By-Pass"
    engines, they use the outside air to flow over a skirt to induce more air into
    the turbine its-self.

    So, I think the outside flow of air over the curved surface is induced by air
    currents being forced to the centre of the first spinning vain disk.

    In most of the cross-section drawings of the two main "wavy" disk
    always seem parallel I haven’t seen the “whistle liked pinched areas”, I would
    like to see them... it would make sense as it would create a "speed
    up vortex" behind the peak closest to the axis.

    And I agree it breaks the "Law of Thermodynamics" especially the
    "Law of Entropy" as if the energy is no longer available the spinning
    motion created by the motor would die. Unless somehow the electricity/plasma
    generated in it, is now also inducted into the motor as it is in the centre.

    Do you have photos of the coronal discharge? If so, I would love to see it.

    I think that the copper is part of this entire process, but I am not fully
    aware of what all the components are made of.

    Aluminium has also got an electromagnetic response (Lenz Law) but that would
    retard and hinder any electromagnetic movement.

    It’s a pity we can’t 3D scan every part and reconstruct it
    in its exact proportions and use a brushless motor to get it above 3000 rpm.
    Then we could test different materials (Copper, Brass, Aluminium, High density polymers)

    And I would also love to be part of this project.


    Reply 1 year ago

    Boeing used a similar flow in their "By-Pass"
    engines, they use the outside air to flow over a skirt to induce more air into
    the turbine its-self.

    So, I think the outside flow of air over the curved surface is induced by air
    currents being forced to the centre of the first spinning vain disk.

    In most of the cross-section drawings of the two main "wavy" disk
    always seem parallel I haven’t seen the “whistle liked pinched areas”, I would
    like to see them... it would make sense as it would create a "speed
    up vortex" behind the peak closest to the axis.

    And I agree it breaks the "Law of Thermodynamics" especially the
    "Law of Entropy" as if the energy is no longer available the spinning
    motion created by the motor would die. Unless somehow the electricity/plasma
    generated in it, is now also inducted into the motor as it is in the centre.

    Do you have photos of the coronal discharge? If so, I would love to see it.

    I think that the copper is part of this entire process, but I am not fully
    aware of what all the components are made of.

    Aluminium has also got an electromagnetic response (Lenz Law) but that would
    retard and hinder any electromagnetic movement.

    It’s a pity we can’t 3D scan every part and reconstruct it
    in its exact proportions and use a brushless motor to get it above 3000 rpm.
    Then we could test different materials (Copper, Brass, Aluminium, High density polymers)

    And I would also love to be part of this project.

    Kind Regards
    Bruce de Mink

    Reply 1 year ago

    Boeing used a similar flow in their "By-Pass"
    engines, they use the outside air to flow over a skirt to induce more air into
    the turbine its-self.

    So, I think the outside flow of air over the curved surface is induced by air
    currents being forced to the centre of the first spinning vain disk.

    In most of the cross-section drawings of the two main "wavy" disk
    always seem parallel I haven’t seen the “whistle liked pinched areas”, I would
    like to see them... it would make sense as it would create a "speed
    up vortex" behind the peak closest to the axis.

    And I agree it breaks the "Law of Thermodynamics" especially the
    "Law of Entropy" as if the energy is no longer available the spinning
    motion created by the motor would die. Unless somehow the electricity/plasma
    generated in it, is now also inducted into the motor as it is in the centre.

    Do you have photos of the coronal discharge? If so, I would love to see it.

    I think that the copper is part of this entire process, but I am not fully
    aware of what all the components are made of.

    Aluminium has also got an electromagnetic response (Lenz Law) but that would
    retard and hinder any electromagnetic movement.

    It’s a pity we can’t 3D scan every part and
    reconstruct it in its exact proportions and use a brushless motor to get it
    above 3000 rpm. Then we could test different materials (Copper, Brass,
    Aluminium, High density polymers)

    let me know if I can assist you in any way, I would like to be part of this project is my email


    Question 1 year ago

    where find the 3d model for 3d printing repulsine?


    3 years ago

    Hi ! How is it coming along with the repulsine ? I am pretty curious about it.


    Reply 3 years ago

    At the moment not really that good.
    Had to move house and now I am missing the space for my workshop.
    Right now neither the 3D rpinter, nor the laser cutter is set up due to the lack of space :(
    But I am working on getting a bigger place to stay.


    4 years ago

    Did I miss something??
    I checked again the old pics and videos I have with the checking for the lost / missing parts in mind.
    After a while it sort of hit me.
    What if the repulsine did not just utilise Schaubergers implosion technology but also some more very rarly used things at the same time - the "Vortex technology" seems to play a role for the top air intake, while those old images let me think the outer hull was actually a two part system based on the "Coanda plane engine".
    This make even more sense if you check the second generation of the repulsine that no longer had this top cone.
    My current theory:
    The top diffusor is actually more like the turbine fan in a vacuum cleaner and spins together with the wave disks.
    Part of the created airstream is diverted into the wave disks, the rest over them.
    One of the missing bits (judgung by scratch marks and screw holes) would be a cover for the wave disks forming the base for the Coanda effect.
    The outer hull forms a Venturi nozzle in combination with the airflow coming out of the wave disks and the coanda stream.
    This is based on the statement of Schaubergers son that the "activators" are missing.
    The top "fan" is surrounded by fins directing the airstream from a fast rotation to a and almost straight stream.
    The "activators" would at the outlet part of the coanda air stream and the fan airstream, again forming the base for another coanda flow - similar to the bladeless fan technology Dyson "invented".

    If I know spin it a bit further I would assume the following:
    The top turbine fan creates a vortex on top of it - you can see a lot of vids on Youtube showing how that works.
    Through the double venturi effect and the two part hull, additional air is drawn into the (partially hidden) inlets.
    This gives a multitude of air volume getting out of the system compared to what the fan can deliver.
    If you now also take the missing bottom hul into consideration:
    A part of the airflow coming out of the wave disks follows a curved surface to the inside - again the coanda effect in action.
    When reachin the center the airstream can enter another venturi system to be re-united with the airstream out of the wave disks.
    This in return creates a very low pressure zone on the underside.
    Due to this zone the airflow that would otherwise go straight down is formed into a cone shape.
    With another set of fins on the outlet part of the coanda stream this "air cone" would be spinning - effectively creating another very strong vortex.
    This creates a high pressure zone on the top and a low pressure zone at the smaller bottom.
    Most if not all of air that is around this vortex and forced downwards will enter this vortex and increase the pressure inside the lower hull.

    I tried to calculate, then just to estimate how much more air would enter the system than the fan can deliver but soon gave up it.
    All I can say is that if the system is just semi decent designed (in terms of airodynamics for the airflow and lossles transport of it) the output must be at least 20 times more than what the fan would be able to deliver!
    Now for those keen on electricity:
    According to eye witnees report from Repulsine tests a kind of elms fire is happening once the system is up to speed and operational.
    All the air going in different directions, over a lot of surfaces and often moving against each other, creates a lot of static electricty.
    Most of Repulsine was made from copper but in some images you can see that there are isolating disks as well.
    If the electrical charge was considered by Schauberger too, what I have to assume if he uses isolators, than it would mean he also created a capacitor of massive proportions!
    The top an bottom parts of the hull (maybe even the disks itself) get different electrical potencials, same for the air particles moving through the system.
    Opposite charges attract each other, which means the airflow could have been further accelerated by the static charges of the system.
    This in return also explains the "afterglow" effect some witnesses claimed to have seen on flying versions of the Repulsine - it was ionised air exiting the vortex.

    Anyone with thoughts on this?