Bring Ruined Records Back to Life




About: Old inventor, reverted back to my 10 year-old self. A shop full of tools, a boat, race car, 3D printer and a beautiful wife who wants me to invent things for around the house... Now how cool is that?

Intro: Bring Ruined Records Back to Life

If you're an audiofile purist, don't read any further. What follows is not for the faint of heart and beyond anything you've seen before. If you decide to continue, please don't comment about how you think it will ruin records until after you try it. Then, if you still feel my method is flawed, I'd love to read your critique.

If you follow my instructions, you'll have to work hard to screw things up. It's really not that scary once you get into it.

I've spent an entire career designing, developing and patenting metal, engineered plastic and vinyl products. I know plastics, their strengths and weaknesses. I also know how to fix things. This is one of those fixes.

I'm also not responsible for any disasters that might befall you.  If you try this and somehow manage to screw it up, don't blame me. Use caution and common sense. It works for me and that's all I can attest to.

That being said... Let's begin:

Hopefully, most records you pick up at yard sales, Goodwill and flea markets can be brought back to new using standard cleaning methods. This is only for those discs that still have elevated levels of pops and clicks due to physical damage due to accident, neglect or abuse.

The record in the first photo is one such case. When I pulled it from the jacket, I could see immediately it had gone through a rough life. Under the microscope, the grooves were embedded with crud and the lands (the space between the grooves) showed signs of extreme wear with hundreds of vinyl "deflections" along the edges of the grooves.

Step 1: How Records Get Damaged

Dirty records can be cleaned, but damaged records will still sound terrible no matter how much you clean them.  The first image is a microscopic view of a scratch across Skeeter Davis' "End Of The World"... Appropos for 2012, don't you think?.  When a record player gets bumped or someone gets careless, the needle skips crosswise over the grooves, literally carving a path through the soft vinyl.  

The vinyl being cut away has to go somewhere.  Some of it ends up on the needle, some of it ends up as crud at the bottom of the groove and some of it is pushed out of the way, piled up like snow in front of a plow.  It's pushed above the surface of the lands and the side walls of the grooves.  This is what causes the "tick, tick, tick" you hear after a record has been scratched.  The needle is bumping into these deformations and serenades you with it's rhythmic beat a little over 33 times a minute.

The second microscopic image shows a smaller scratch as well, but it also shows many deformations on the edges and sides of the grooves.  Back when this album was popular, tone arms and needles were both heavy and large.  As they ran through the grooves, the needle would build up up heat, softening the plastic, making the vinyl more prone to damage.  A large needle can't fit all the way into the groove, so it rests in part, on the outside edges of the groove.  

The edge is the weakest part of the groove, so when a needle vibrates back and forth, it slams against the warm edge, wearing it away, pushing and deflecting vinyl into small mounds above the record surface.  The vinyl that's pushed up and out, leaves a pocket behind, and the edge eventually becomes lined with pits and piles of vinyl.  The edge begins to take on a new shape as the needle wears away at it, distorting the sound as well as adding pops, clicks and ticks.

Today, needles are smaller, lighter and go deeper into the groove where the vinyl of these old records is still virgin.  With a good cleaning, the sound will be rich and pure... Unless your record is still dirty, has static issues, or something is not right with your equipment.

Step 2: How We're Going to Fix It

We're going to refinish the surface and remove those tiny piles of vinyl that cause the ticking by sanding them. Yes, I said "sanding".  But first, we have to get all that gunk out of the grooves.  I gave Ms. Davis a pressure wash.

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And then smudged the more stubborn stuff out with my favorite material:

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For me, the results were pretty good.  No more gunk in the grooves, but under the microscope, there were still speckles where the vinyl had been deformed.

Once you've done the steps above or have cleared the gunk out by some other method, here's what you'll need to go to the next step... Getting your album back to it's original state.

1. A clean, but bad, bad record with more clicks and pops than music.

2. 1500 grit or finer wet & dry sand paper.

3. A sink, a towel and a flat, smooth space that can get wet.

4. Not absolutely necessary, but a minimum of a 30x microscope to check your work.

5. Nerve... Absolutely necessary.

Step 3: Work, Work, Work

After thoroughly washing, it's time for the scary stuff. We'll be using plenty of water.  Wet the sand paper, wet the record.  Not absolutely necessary, but you can also add a bit of liquid soap to the sandpaper as a lubricant.  Place the record on a hard, flat surface and LIGHTLY sand each side, in the area of the scratches using curving strokes parallel with the grooves.   Some scratches won't be easily visible and the sanding does remove some of the shine from the record. For this reason, I normally sand the entire surface. That not only guarantees I've hit all the scratches, but gives the record a uniform look as well.


I've found that placing the record on the counter with the edge of the disc overhanging slightly allows me to grasp the record and rotate it with one hand while holding the sand paper steady on the other side with the other.  This insures the sanding stays parallel with the grooves.

Keep your hand holding the paper open and flat, insuring plenty of surface area is in contact with the record.  Make frequent trips to the faucet to rinse and re-wet both the record and paper.  1500 is an extremely fine grit, so you may see extremely small scratches on the surface of the vinyl as it's being being sanded, if any. If you notice the smooth, runout surfaces of the record getting dull, you're probably pushing too hard.  Use very light pressure.   Don't worry too much about ruining the record if you used too much pressure.  No  sanding is taking place inside the grooves.  If areas start getting dull, just go over them very lightly and they'll begin to brighten up again.  Don't sand too long either.  4 to 6 times around is probably enough.  If it turns out you didn't sand enough, it's easy to do it again.

The record will be rejuvenated as the lands are smoothed down and the edge of the groove becomes crisp and sharp, just as it was the day it was pressed.  Technically, the grooves will be a minuscule bit shallower, but the upper reaches of the grooves had been ruined anyway and new needles snuggle deeper into them, making the upper portion redundant.

Oh, and don't forget to thoroughly wash your new record before trying to play it... All that vinyl dust you just created can't be good for your record or your needle.:)

I've sanded several of my "destroyed" records with an excellent success rate and can again play them on my "floating turntable" without worrying about ruining the needle. Deep, deep gouges that destroy the entire groove and grit inside the groove that's been melted into the vinyl are beyond this method, so if that's the case, you may have to live with a "pop" or two.  Everything else should sound spectacularly clear and noise-free, just as it should.  The only failure for me so far was a Partridge Family album that I found in a consignment shop. The vinyl was so bad (not even a cover or sleeve), I had to have it just to see if sanding would work for it... Well, grit was so imbedded into the vinyl, nothing in my arsenal was able to pull it out.  I managed to improve the sound by 50% or so after the first powerwashing (no, I wasn't about to see how bad it was right out of the store), but it's still unlistenable using my beater needle

Speaking of turntables, I have a remarkable turntable hack that can be added to all brands of turntables, doesn't modify or harm them in any way and virtually eliminates the chance that an accidental bump will carve a new, perpendicular groove across your records' pristine surfaces.  It works on the science of physics, is pretty cool and can be checked out here:

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So...  Take a deep breath, grab that ruined record, a sheet of sandpaper and say "oooRah"...

You can thank me later.

Does anyone know how many grooves there are on each side of a 12" record?

1/30/12:  Instructable member Suzanne in Orting does:  One!  She was the first person to get the answer to me.  Congratulations Suzanne in Orting.  I'm sending you a patch.

The next one is a little bit more difficult...  Who knows the approximate length of a groove on a 12" 33 1/3 rpm record? (don't cheat by looking it up on the internet:)

Feb 11, 2012...Come-on.. No one knows?  Tell you what... Forget the "no internet" rule, forget the patch... I'll give the first person I see a correct answer from (within 500'... come-on a GUESS could win this), in the comments section (no emails... Not fair, cause I read those more often) a 3 month pro memb.... No.. Make that a 6 month pro membership.

Step 4: Update: an Experiment...

1. I was concerned about loss of fidelity from removing material from the surface. Theoretically, the deeper sounds will be those most susceptible to being sacrificed. In reality, it's the upper portion of the groove that's been trashed by the needles of yesteryear, so no matter what you're doing to it should have no effect whatsoever.

2. To vet my thinking, I built a quick sanding block out of a scrap piece of rubber, superglued to a piece of 1/4" x 3" board in which I drilled a hole.  I won't detail the build here, but instead, add data to the photos of it. Sanding with the grooves is preferable as it eliminates "washboarding" on top of the lands and mechanizing the process made it easier for the work I was about to put into it.

3. A vinyl album normally has a surface that's barely cupped.  Using a sanding block will cause the outside and inside lands to be sanded more than the center lands.  In my experiment, the center lands of my test record remained un-sanded even though I over-sanded the entire disc (one side) to see how much damage over sanding could do.  I set the record on a towel during the sanding process in an attempt to eliminate the cupping, but it wasn't too successful.

4. Since the record I was using was one I was going to trash anyway, I sanded the devil out of it. I wouldn't do this yourself unless you have a need for a pile of vinyl dust.  You can see the brown residue on the sandpaper.  The record turned brown as well...  I really worked on it, pushing as hard as I could...  After cleaning it, I didn't notice any loss of sound quality, but in theory, it most likely effected the volume and possibly the bass of the recording... Of course, my old ears couldn't notice a difference in the bass and the volume knob has plenty of rotation left.  The only difference I noticed, whether placebo or not, was the over-sanded portions of the disk sounded, to me, more like MP3 versions of the same song.

btw, the reason I use 1500 is because it is easy to get.  Wal Mart sells it as well as big box and hardware stores... I would prefer to use something finer, but it's too frustrating trying to find. Finer grits will, by design leave the record's surface shinier.

5. The final microscopic image is a 35x plus 3x (camera zoom) of the surface after hard sanding with 1500 grit.  I should have thought of zooming the camera before taking the photo to get even closer.  Due to the mechanical nature of the sanding, the lands don't have the same coarse look that they've after hand sanding. But remember, the middle portion of the record received much less contact with the paper. Until someone perfects a mechanical "refinisher" that accounts for the non-flat record surface, I'll stick to hand work.

6. The bottom line for me is, I'll be using my hand to sand records from now on, but if I can find a finer grit paper, I might use this as a way to polish it after I'm through.



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    Question 6 months ago on Step 4

    You said that a sandpaper with a grit finer than 1500 can be used to polish a record. What grit do you recommend?
    Is 3000 good enough? 5000? Finer?

    5 more answers

    Answer 6 months ago

    What finer grit gives you is a more polished surface. 1500 is fine enough for me, but I’m not concerned that the record isn’t mirror finished smooth.
    Grit size has nothing to do with sound quality, only looks, so use your own preference.


    Reply 10 hours ago

    I used 2000 grit to sand a skip out of one song. Then there were a couple of annoying pops on another song on the same record. I tried to sand them out and eventually ruined the track. It was a throwaway record anyway. I tried using 5000 grit to get back some of the shine, but it stays dull and doesn't improve at all.

    I just have to keep experimenting, as you said.


    Reply 2 months ago

    I have to disagree with your statement about grit size having nothing to do with sound quality. On the contrary, it absolutely does! Try 80 grit and tell me how it sounds. Just joking! never use 80 grit but you get the idea now? The differences are less noticeable but believe me you will notice the difference between a record smoothed with 1500 and one smoothed with 1500, then followed up with 3000 and 5000. You won't hear it on the loud rock portions, you will hear it in the silence between the tracks and in the reduction of hiss, and in sharp clarity. If 1500 is good enough for you, it is for me too as far as sound quality for effort expended. If you have a Great album though, spend the extra effort, it is worth it. Plan on 20 to 30 minutes of work.


    Answer 2 months ago

    1500 grit can effectively remove most sound and cosmetic defects. You will see a noticeable dullness. This dullness you see will also apply to the clarity of sound. I have been working on this for years had a recent breakthrough discovery only a week ago. I will not share that here. Sorry top secret. I will say this poster is on the right track. Pun unintended. In any case, if you are OK with the dullness and the sound stop there as this is labor intensive. If you want better cosmetics and sound then go to 2000 and or 2500,3000, and 5000. There will still be a slight dullness equivalent to a VG+ or better record. Experiment with a lost cause record. Don't start with the record you actually want to fix. You will destroy a dozen records before getting the technique down.


    Reply 8 weeks ago

    I’ll give it a try with 2000 and see what happens. Thanks.


    11 months ago

    I tried the technique by cleaning a record and sanding it as you have suggested and it worked! Thanks a lot! Now, I can clean and enjoy more than 15 records that I almost threw away. One of the records I have cleaned is by the "five blind boys [of Alabama."

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    Reply 19 days ago

    I don’t get to read comments very often and missed yours. Thank you for telling me the technique worked for you. It makes me feel good to know I’ve helped somebody.


    Reply 2 months ago

    The finer the grit the better the results. Start with 5000 if you only need to reduce pops and clicks. If there is a scratch use 1200 grit or finer only on the scratch running in an arc that matches the groove. Follow up with 3000 then 5000. Suggest one change to routine on this site. Do not start with deep clean. The grime is protecting the sound! start with sanding and end with deep clean.


    22 days ago

    Length of the groove on a 33-1/3 record is around 1,500 feet or 500 meters. Love your instructable......saved countless LP's for me.

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    Reply 19 days ago

    Thank you so much for your kind words. It’s tough to know if my ideas actually help people. You made my day.


    3 years ago

    I have a question about your method. I have an otherwise pristine rare vinyl that I managed to damage the first time I played it (I had just WD40'd the hinge on turntable lid and I guess I was a little overzealous because it came down hard and hit the record) and picked up a long, deep scratch running perpendicular to the grooves. The record now audibly pops loudly each time the needle passes through this scratch (which runs all the way through 4 of the 5 songs) though the music also continues to play. Do you think your method would work to lessen or eliminate this pop?

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    Reply 2 months ago

    3 years and no reply? Wow these are difficult and sometimes impossible to fix. You don't want to learn (as I did) with the intended restored record. Practice on records you don't care about. Once you have found success then move up. You will still probably wreck it. I suggest hitting the tiny spot with 600 grit in the direction of the groove. Tape off the area first so you limit yourself to a 1" repair area using 3M masking tape.


    1 year ago

    How much would you charge me to do this? I don't trust myself lol

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    Reply 2 months ago

    You almost have to be crazy to begin with. (I am certified nuts) Don't trust yourself. Practice on crappy records you don't like to begin with. "You light up my life" comes to mind. Practice, practice, practice. Once you gain confidence start with $5 records. If you screw up, you are out $5? If you are successful then you doubled its value.


    1 year ago

    Hello I
    really need someone’s help. I have a top of the line TT. Pioneer PL570 with an
    Empire 2000z stylus. I put everything away when super storm sandy came and
    moved all my stuff on the 2ed floor to be safe, but here's my problem. After I
    set it all up again I took one of my many well kept albums cleaned it with my
    D4 cleaner like I always did and using it with my D4 record soft brush. After
    cleaning I then put the arm down on the record and as it started to play my (
    Led Zepp 4) it sounded great like it always did just like a brand now album and
    it should being because all my albums are only played when being recorded to
    cassette maybe done 7 times in it’s life time and I'm also a fanatic when I
    came to my records, but here's the heart break after a ½ minute of playing I
    start getting a scratchy sound and it get very bad. Anyway I stopped the record
    to take a look thinking WTF why’s it doing this and I even checked the stylus
    and the grams set and all ( stylus clean, arm set to 1 gram.) so all good and I
    couldn't find anything wrong, so I again ran the brush with more D4 cleaner and
    put the arm back on the record and it started playing again. Again it sounded great,
    but after a 1/2 minute it started sounding like crape again all scratchy, but
    this time which I really don’t like doing was as the album’s playing I touch
    the brush with some more D4 cleaner to the record and wha la” it started sounding
    great again like a brand new record only until the D4 dried. It's seems the
    noise goes away when the record is wet with the D4 solution, but right as it
    dries it goes back to sounding like crape, so did the vinyl dry out? If I have
    to I will throw all my albums away because I’m not going to mess up a none replaceable
    made in the USA stylus and if I can find one I’m looking at $200, so what can I
    do to save my albums and bring them back to life..


    2 replies

    Reply 1 year ago

    It could be that the tone arm has been bent in transit or the deck is on an angle, (check table and floor with a spirit level). Make sure the feet of the deck are all on the same surface. Sounds daft but worth checking. If the front end of the deck is higher than the back then the needle with dig into the vinyl, vice versa and it'll skate over the top.


    Reply 1 year ago

    What also happens is, static will build up on the vinyl and this is what you will be hearing. A clue is when you said "it seems the noise goes away when the record is wet". A good way to eliminate static from your records is to use a carbon fiber brush. They're cheap and the bristles are so fine, they reach the flat at the bottom of the groove, When you use the brush, make sure your fingers touch the carbon fibers. I had one with an aluminum cover that claimed to have electrical connection, but close inspection proved otherwise. Don't believe marketing hype and physically touch the fibers. With your other hand, touch any grounding point on the turntable. I use the metal platter to spin the record while I'm cleaning it.

    This removes the static, and your record should sound like new again. If not, it's something else that's causing your issue.

    Good luck


    1 year ago

    What if you were to place something soft between the block and the sandpaper? Say like a green scrub pad, or magic eraser? That way you have a better chance at overcoming the "cupped surface"?


    1 year ago

    Too many comments for me to go back and read through them all, so I hope no one else has posted this.

    Did you know that the original pressing of Monty Python's Matching Tie And Handkerchief had TWO grooves on one side? It was billed as a three sided record. There were different skits in each groove, so it depended on where the needle went down as to what you heard. On that one side, anyway.

    Sadly, I don't own one. I had to find out about it on one of the Monty Python sites.