Make Your Own Ferrite to Improve Magnetic Fields

Introduction: Make Your Own Ferrite to Improve Magnetic Fields

About: I like to improve myself and things I find :) Learning new things every day is next to impossible but I still try - only a working brain can work. I have no special sector to cover, electronics, electrical stu…

Update 05/09/2018: I did it again, enjoy!

Update 03/07/2015:
I found the right solution - check the last step!

How did it all start you might wonder, so I will let you know ;)

You might have seen my Instructable for the Simple Induction Heater and with my first one I felt the need to find ways of improving the output power.

The elctronically minded people will already know that ferrite is widely used for small tansformers, choke coils and even antennas.

With this wide variety is is only obvious that you will find a lot of differnt types of ferrite designed for a specific job.

Factors like megnetic flux, core saturation and frequency range are just some of the parameters that can be important for proper performance.

What I use for my needs might not even be considered to be ferrite by a proffesional but it does the job quite good.

This Instructable is a work in progress for me as I will update and complete it with pictures "on the go", so every time I make a new batch or try a new recipe you will see the results here - so keep posted for updates.

If my time permits it I will make the next ferrite during the coming weekend.

It will be plaster based and I shall take some pics and a short video as well.

Please post your comments or improvements and I will update the Instructable accordingly.

Step 1: What Is Ferrite?

Ferrite in the commercial sense is a compressed mix of mainly Iron Oxide and binders.

Depending on the necessary properties, Zink Oxide and even rare earth metals are added.

Usually produced under extreme pressures and heat resulting in a ceramic like finnish.

You can look up on Wikipedia for more detailed info as it is not that relevant for this Instructable.

Step 2: Why Can't I Find Anything to Mould My Own Ferrite?

Quite simple:

There are only a handful manufactorers that have mouldable or machinable ferrite in their catalogue - and they treat their formulas very good!

Also the prices are not really attractive for individuals like you and me.

Even if find a supplier you have to state the purpose and megnetic properties you need or do your own calculations based on the supplied data sheets.

Step 3: Ok, But What Are the Uses of My Homemade Ferrite?

As said in the beginning, I needed something for my induction heater that does not saturate with the extreme magnetic fields involved and also wanted some form of shielding to prevent interference.

With the current mix (at the end of the steps) I accomplished both.

I can't recommend it for the use of specific HF coils or similar as I have no means of checking the properties and magnetic fields with my limited equippment - sorry for that!

But if you make your own electro magnets, induction coils or have the need to generally direct magnetic field lines it might be just what you need.

Also for general shielding of HF frquencies it should work quite well, making it possible to fully seal a circuit in the ferrite so no leaks can happen (or better: should happen).

For example:

A 8mm bolt in my coil with ferrite mantle takes about 90 seconds to get red hot, with a ferrite mantle around the work coil the time is reduced to under 30 seconds.

Step 4: Pro's and Con's

Well, as with all new things they never really perfect ;)

I will start with the negative things first:

* It is very messy to produce, so gloves and outside mixing is highly recomended as you don't want to clean up Iron Oxide dust in your kitchen.

* It is not easy to mix as the Iron Oxide is very fine and tends to ignore all binding at the start of mixing it.

* The mix is not perfect yet, so you might have to test the mix in a small batch to check if it fits your needs.

Now the good bits:

* You can put it into any shape you need.
* It can be sanded or drilled when cured.
* It is a good shield against interference.
* Once mixed it ieasy to handle and form.
* You need no special equippment or expensive ingredients.

* You can easily change the mix to adjust it to your needs.

Step 5: How Is Is Made and What Do I Need?

Tools and things you must have:
* Rubber gloves

* A suitable mixing container - I use the ones to mix plaster

* Spoon, spatula or similar for the mixing

* An area that you clean with a pressure cleaner or that does not mid to get a bit dirty

Things to make it easier:

* Some patience ;)

Ingredients:

* Iron Oxide - the blck kind also know as Fe3O4, commonly used to color concrete and quite cheap

* Plaster - Plaster of Paris, wall filler, or some type of resin depending on your needs (this is the binder)

* Water if you use plaster or similar, otherwise check the instruction for your resin

* Zink Oxide and other things you find when searching for Ferrite compositions if you feel the need and get it cheap - totally optional!

How to mix it:

First some explanations;

You want to use as less binder as possible, otherwise the properties of your ferrite might not be as expected.

For high power applications, like an induction coil, you will need a thick layer of ferrite as otherwise the core will saturate or might heat up - it does not harm to use it too thick and you can always add more (around) if saturation is an issue, same for too much as you can sand t down or use a file.

Only mix as much as you can handle within the curing time!

Take a rough estimation of how much in final volume you need for your project and add another 20% be on the save side.
I go for the plaster version as this was my first way of doing it and because it the easiest.

Add the Iron Oxide in your mixing container (put gloves on now if you forgot about them ;) ) followed by about a third in volume of plaster.
Mix well while dry - for bigger batches using a jar with lid saves you a lot of black dust flying around!

Now add the water and keep mixing like you would for mormal plaster so there are no lumps.

Don't worry if you used too much water as you can always add oxide and plaster.

Be aware that this mix dries a bit faster and can produce cracks in thicker layers, so working in small stages with new mixes to build up might be necessary (keep the dry mix and only use with water what you need).

You now can put it into a mould or cover what you need to shield.

Let it set in a moist enviroment to prevent cracks - I simply wrap it in a moist towel (very old one because of the black oxide!).

After about 2 hours you can continue to let it dry in the open.

Final curing time depends on the thickness and humidity!

To for moisture warm it up to about 30° celsius and place into a closed container that was in your freezer to cool down.
If not fully dry you will see a lost of mist condesing on the inside of your container.

Step 6: How to Use It on Moisture Sensitve Stuff or for Sealing in Electronics

There is only one way and this by making sure the moisture won't get to it!

Either seal it first by means of paint, resin and so on, or make a mould for the ferrite and place the part in it once fully cured.

If that is not an option you have to use a castable or mouldable resin instead of the plaster.

For 2K compositions this means you have to add equal amount of Oxide to both components of the mix.

Although Fe3O4 is not that reactive it can affect the curing of 2K resins, so do a small batch for testing first to make sure it cures properly and does not heat up too much during curing.

It is very hard to give proper mixing ratios as the properties of the various resins differ too much but I work my way down from a 50/50 mix until I notice either mixing becomes a problem or the curing is not good enough.

But usually I don't go under mix of 35% resin to 65% of Oxide.

Step 7: How Can You Help?

You can help to perfect the way of making ferrite by posting your feedback and tested recipies.

I will add more pictures with my next batch and add another step for collected mixtures from feedback for an easy reference for everyone here.

Step 8: Update!

I realised by the amounts of hits that I need to rush things a bit to get this instructable complete.
After experimenting with additives to reduce the risk of cracks forming during the drying process I decided to use this variation for a video on how to make the ferrite.

To give you a head start on the new recipe I will sum it up here so you get a clue what happens in the video.

1. Prepare yourself with gloves and everything you need, you will see the things in the video.

2. Don't try to follow the video straight away, watch it at least twice and make use of the pause button if I am too fast in the video.

3. Don't do it inside as the black dust goes everywhere!

4. Ingredients are:

Plaster of paris - or any other modelling plaster you have at hand (Gypsum).

Black Iron Oxide

A bit of wall paper glue or if not available in your area use wood glue - this helps to keep the mix workable for longer and slows down the drying process also the finnished product does not crack as easy.

Water and some tools for the mixing and modelling - whatever works best for you and the amount you make.

5. The glue should be added to the water first and only in small amounts for wall paper glue, wood glue should be added in a volume of about 15% to the water.

I might skip this bit in the video and prepare the water glue mix upfront as it takes a while with wall paper glue.

Make a dry mix of plaster and oxide, I do this with a spoon.

Depending on the mix you will get a pretty good or preety bad result in terms of mechanical stability.

I try to use 3-5 parts of plaster to 4 parts of Oxide, a 50-50 mix seems to work well but I always try to stay under it to have more ferrite than plaster in the mix.

The more oxide you add the better are the magnetic properties of the finnished product but the harder it is to work with and to cure it without cracks.

Add water (already prepared with glue) followed by your dry mix into a suitable mixing container and mix well until there are o lumps, keep the mix thick enough to work with but not so thin it runs off, unless you do a casting.

Once you start mixing the clock is ticking as you only have limited time until the mix goes hard and becomes unusable.

It is best to work with small batches that you can properly apply before the initial drying starts.

Important!! :

You must use clean tools and containers as even small amounts of cured mix will mess up your next batch!

It will cause the mix to go hard much faster and can cause lumps in the mix when it cures faster than the rest.

I try to wash my tools and containers before the plaster goes fully hard.

As you can see in the video I only make a small amount to get the first layer onto the coil.

I do it this way to allow for a better drying as we want to prevent to capture too much moisture before adding the next layer.

You should take your time to let it dry - either naturally or by the use of a de-hydrator.

If there is too much moisture left before you do the final curing in the oven it result in massive cracks.

Best way is to let the finnished product dry out for a few days before putting it into the oven.

If you cover moisture sensitve parts it is best to add a layer of paint as a barrier, for best results give the paint a quick sanding to get a rough surface as this will help the mix to stick.

In case you are in a hurry try the flexible tile adhesive mixes from your hardware store without the glue in the mix.

But do some small scale tests first to check if your mix produces cracks while drying.


Update 03/07/2015:
I experimented a bit more with a lot of different (possible) binders.
Nothing we would find at the local hardware store, the kitchen or local pharmacy (at reasonable prices) worked.
But then it hit me!
Grabbed my last few spoons of black oxide and mixed it with Sodium Silicate - Waterglass.
Of course, me being me, I did not take any pics or videos - shoot me...
Anyway I will try to explain:
Sodium Silicate is another "forgotten" chemical in terms of home use.
Some might still know it from the chemical experiment "Chemical Garden".
In the concentrated liquid form it is somewhere between full cream milk and warm honey in the consistency and glass clear.
Once dried it it goes rock hard - a feature used for repairs on wood, china ware and other things like heat resistant tiles.
If you know "Green Sand Casting" you are already familiar with just adding a tiny bit of water to that mix.
I did the same with the black oxide.
Started with a few tablespoons oxide and added the Sodium Silicate in tiny amounts.
Creates a lot of lumps and small balls, so doing this in a little ball mill might be a good idea (apart from the clean up bit).
Anyway, if you check the videos on grenn sand casting you will see the mix looks almost dry but keeps it shape when pressed - I tried the same but in the end just used a block form and small hammer to compact it.
(This reminds me to mention to get the ferrite mix out of the form after this step - I did not and it was impossible to remove the cured stuff from the form).
After this the testpiece went into the oven for about 90 minutes at full heat - this creates a nice and hard "ferrite".
To get is hard enough to be actually used it is placed into a kiln and is slowly heated to a glowing orange.
After that the cooling was done in the oven, preheated to full.
Oven was turned off once the piece was in and allowed to fully cool down over night.
The result was that
1. I was unable to get the cured ferrite out of the metal box I used.
2. It is so hard that I could not drill into it.
3. It does not break or crack.

I will try to find some more time and black oxide and make a short video of the process.
In the meantime, everyone still following can experiment as the only thing that matters is to just get the oxide moist with the Sodium Silicate so it binds together properly.
During the compacting a bit of excess might be pressed out indicating to use even less sodium silicate for the next mix.
The only downside is that you have to make a small furnace, metal melter or kiln so you can fully harden the mix, which is basically like a ceramic once cured.

Step 9: Update! Maybe the Last One Ever....

I finally made some really decent progress :)
My followers here certainly experimented a lot too but it took my about 2 years to finally get hit by the fence post :)

Let's sum what we still know first:
Iron oxide is good enough for a lot of basic core materials.
A lot of other mineral and metal powders can be added for performance and we are lucky that we can look most them up on Google and Wikipedia.
Making a form is not too hard either...
But so far we struggled to create something really durable.
Not anymore....

Proper ferrite cores are baked ceramic, sadly most of us won't have the equippment, not to mention the knowledge for this.
A suitable binder would be ideal and I think I found one.
How about using something that can be dissolved in water and that dries like glass?
Sodium Silicate :)
You can make it with lye from crystal cat litter but also order it off Ebay or simply buy concrete sealer from your hardware store.
Depending if you use the dry form or get it as a liquid the preperations are slightly different.
Here is the basic way of doing it:

First check how the liquid dries.
So either mix some powder with water or spread your sealer out directly with a brush on some carboard.
You will notice that depending on the concentration the liquid dries differently.
Too much and you end up with a nice looking crystal growth.
Too little and you just get a slightly shiny cover on the cardboard.
Get it just right and you will end with a hard coat, like varnish.
Applying several coats on the previously dried one should build up a glass like cover without and crystals growing or white spots forming.
This is the concentration you want to use for binding the ferrite mix.

Preparing the ferrite is mainly reduced to making sure it is as fine as possible and lump free.
You can put it through a fine sieve if you like but the powder from the hardware or art store is usually good enough.
The one massive problem with iron oxide in powder form is that the particles usually refuse to get wet or accept any "glue" coating".
The simple solution for this problem gave me many headaches...
Well, until I realised how simple it can be done in reality if you stop thinking too complicated LOL
Take a preferably no longer used container or just a soda bottle and fill the amount of ferrite mix you need in it.
Make sure that you can properly close and seal it! You will see why I prefer soda bottles here...
You should never fill to more than 1/4....
Now add some water, preferably destilled or at least demineralised water, please don't use plain tap water.
You will see that nothing really mixes, so add enough water to allow a good shaking.
Ok, I did not say to shake it but now that you did you see it still sucks as a result....
Add a few drops of dishwashing liquid and try again ;)
If in doubt add a teaspoon worth or two.
Suddenly the shaking creates a slurry or if you used to much water a black liquid.
But no more lumps floating around, all the powder is now really wet.

Drying the ferrite...
You want to remove the excess soapy water, so best to let the bottle rest over night.
Now most of the water can be tipped out.
I tried to get the wet ferrite mix out by several ways and apart from cutting the bottle vibrations seem to work well.
A vibration motor from an old game controller or a discarded toy of your girlfriend will do wonders to make the slurry run out the bottles neck.
Spread it out on some baking paper with some paper towels around to soak up the water - or do it outside and let the water run off.
The rest can be flattened a bit and if you need to speed things up let it dry in the oven at 70-80°C - don't let it go to boiling point as this will mess with the soap and we need this soap cover!
Once dry break it up and dry again until you can crush it back to a fine powder in a mortar or discarded coffe grinder - be aware of the dust and do this outside!!

Our soapy ferrite mix can now be used with all water based glues and paints, like PVA wood glue or standard paint from the hardware store.
Downside is that all these things tend to shrink quite badly and only provide a more or less rubbery hardness.
Sodium Silicate however dries literally glass hard!
Of course it would be too easy if the rest is straight forward :(
The big problem we face is also the main feature of sodium silicate: it seals really good.
So making a ferrite rod would be as easy as mixing the ferrite with just enough sodium silicate mix to create a putty like substance, cut the head of syringe off and fill it tightly.
Once pressed out you have a rod you can let dry.
But it will only dry for a few mm from the outside at best, the inside will then be sealed and stay wet forever.
Well, at least many months and than crack the whole thing slowly...
Just so know my level of frustration: For he last step I wasted about 3kg of iron oxide in an endless amount of small batches and experiments...

I found two ways they show at least a feasable aproach to the problem.
Number one: Build up of material.
To prevent moisture being trapped when drying or curing it can help to waste a lot.
Let me explain...
Assuming you want to make a toroid like core of more than 5cm in diameter.
Here I would create a carboard template, just a ring and the two ring walls.
Outer and inner diameter should be just over/under what you need if dimensions are really vital.
Fill a thin layer on the bottom and dry it in the oven at under 90°C.
Add another and do the same.
For this to work the mix should be as dry as possible, look up how to prepare "green sand" and you know what I mean.
Should be possible to form a ball in your hand and if you try to break it open you should get two pieces with a clear breakline.
Be aware the mix dries in air too, so keep it covered a mix it every now and then!
Once you filled enough start to smooth the surface with the last one or two fillings.
Let it all dry again for a few hours in the oven.
Then crank the heat to 180°C for two hours.
This should result in a really hard and durable core that you can now sand down or file down to remove the cardboard.
Using a silicone mold certainly helps if you want to make more than one core.

Number two: Risk it all...
For smaller cores or anything flat enough you can try this way.
Make a mold from thick acrylic, like at least 4mm plate material.
Do it so you have notches to put it all together as you really don't want to glue it together.
The bottom plate should be drilled with lots of tiny holes.
I used a stainless filter mesh as a template and drilled through the grid holes.
You don't want holes bigger than 1mm, preferably under if you can use a laser cutter to create your mold.
These holes are vital to drain the liquid while keeping the mix inside the mold.
Cut some filter paper to cover the bottom and sides of your mold.
For the bottom you want two layers.
With a suitable press lid test if you can really fit it inside without any gaps - it should be as tight as possible without jamming up.
Time for a testrun:
With the filter paper in place and the mold on a surface that allow you drian fill your mold with some lemon or orange pieces - peel first please...
If you press hard enough the juice should run out the drain holes, a bit of juice around the press lid too but no pulp or anything coming out of the top.
In this case you can clean your mess and be happy.
If a lot of material came out the gap around the press lid you need to make a new one and try again.
Once dry and clean add again the filer papers and then fill with your ferrite/sodium silicate mix.
Again make sure it is like good green sand, not lumpy, not runny.
Use a dowel or similar to tap and press the mix for a basic compression and to make sure all coreners a compressed identical - again like making a grees sand cast.
Once full enough add the lid and provide as much pressure as possible.
I usually start by just adding weights on the top until the worst run off is over.
Than depending on size I used a piece of wood and hammer or a vice to press out what I can.
Sometimes it can help to wipe the mold with a cloth that had some oil on it, but most basic forms come apart really easy without sticking.
Take great care removing the core from the mold and don't even try to remove the paper.
The key is now to force the remaining water out without allowing the outside to dry, so if in doub have a spray bottle with destilled water ready to prevent the paper from drying - you need to keep the outside moist until all is done!
For a small core the oven is the prefed option but with the core on a little stand in jar with a bit of water at the bottom.
The steam fill prevent the outside of the core to form a glass layer and the heat will drive ost of the water out of the inner core.
If you have something high like a spaghetti jar or can then elevating the core and using more water is really helpful.
As a number to go from I will give you and example that worked quite well for me:
Core was about 8mm thick and like a toroid with an outer diamter of 9cm.
I used 250ml of water with the core almost 20cm high up in a spaghetti jar.
Like this there was only little room left to the "ceiling" of my oven.
Heat of about 90-120° (my oven sucks down in this range) was applied only from the bottom.
The core got a final spray right before placing the jar into the preheated oven.
After about 10 minutes I opened the oven for a first check on the water level and to let some steam out.
Once all was evaporated I left the oven at the same temp for another 2 hours.
Without allowing the core or oven to cool down much the core was then removed from the jar and placed on an upside down stainless steel sieve.
Temp was increased to 200°C for another 2 hours.
The resulting core had only slight crystal formations on the outside that were easily removed by some fine sand paper.
I could not break it by hand and a drop from about 50cm onto a tile did no visable damge either, even after trying it multiple times.
However a slight hit with a hammer when standing up had no trouble cracking it.
At least the cracks showed the core was fully cured.
Considering the tiny amount of binder in the form of sodium silicate left I call this recipe final for now.

A few words of wisdom:
Although the resulting product is quite durable sodium silicate will dissolve in water and other chemicals!
So a proper coat of durable acrylic paint or a resin coat is a must have if you want to prevent premature failure.
But I think even with that it still is a very neat way of creating a more durable homemade ferrite core.

Possible ways to further improve the curing and hardness....
Sodium silicate has many interesting properties and that it cures like real glass is a nice bonus.
Finding the right oxides, metal powders or even salts to get a ferrite to work as desired requires a lot of digging and experimenting.
Best option to start is by searching for the compositions listed for well know cores.
You might not get the exact ratios but a good understanding what materials work best for a given frequency and saturation.
So again I leave the experiments with this to my trusted followers and hope they will pick up where I tried to provide the start points.
A Rodin coil with a custom ferrite toroid maybe? ;)
Anyway...
Sodium silicate forms a really hard crystal structure with cement.
Adding only a tiny amount of dust fine portland cement and even less lye resulted in a sodium silicate solution that create even more durable coatings.
Problem is finding the right balance to prevent unwanted crystal bloom while curing and to prevent the cement powder from settling down to quickly.
In tests ended with a really thick and really corrosive sodium silicate solution a small amount of cement and quite a bit of lye to get it all more in the PH neutral range.
Results showed great potential but I do not like the requirement for full body and face protection and the risks that come with handling corrosive solutions and mixing them.

Other great uses I found while experimenting....
An almost forgotten fact is that sodium silicate was and still is widely used to seal cracked chimneys.
So if you noticed a problem in your old brick fire place in your favourite hide out cabin then make a mix of cement with about 50% of the water replaced by cement sealer and your next winter will see the smoke go out the chimney intead through cracks inside your cabin.
Although I used this to repair cracks in my crappy homemade foundry...
As you now know sodium silicate forms a glass like surface when cured.
I did a little experiment with a piece of wood.
Using a vacuum chamber I fully soaked it with concrete sealer.
Placed it in the oven to fully dry (I stopped when the scale showed no further weight reduction).
Then I sanded down the massive layer of crystals on the outside.
The thing was not only rock hard but also looked really great in areas I tried to polish.
Water and most chemicals did not affect it in any way.
And well, trying to burn it in my drum did not work either.
It cracked, it charred but it was like putting a brick in the fire...
But the best thing I tried was doing the impossible.
Ever tried to repair a cracked piece of china ware?
You know the feeling you get right now...
Yes, we all dropped something made from ceramic that caused a lot of troubles with a loved one...
I misused an old dinner plate that was already the last one left of the set.
Ooops, dropped it on the tiles....
Well, no I did not try to get all the tiny pieces together, only what was required to get plate back togehter without holes or missing parts.
Should have just tried a tap a hammer to get two or three pieces but I got that though once I thought dropping is the best way...
But it showed that if you waste enough time aligning it all on a plate in your oven you can bake the plate back togehter piece by piece.
Some final coats on both sides to get a smotth finnish and fill missing small pieces and the plate enven survives the dishwasher...

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    en2oh
    en2oh

    Tip 10 days ago on Step 9

    Nice instructable. Sorry if I missed a comment about this, but sodium silicate solution will harden when exposed with carbon dioxide. punch a few tiny holes through the toroid and flush with CO2. Hardens up much faster. Typically used for cores in hollow castings. The other thing to consider is to put the toroid into a vacuum chamber..... that will help consolidate the ferrite / Sodium Silicate mix. *sodium silicate is also known as "Water Glass" and used in pottery, concrete sealing and many other places! Good luck Doug

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    Downunder35m
    Downunder35m

    Reply 4 days ago

    Thanks for that!
    I did not know about the CO2 affecting the curing of the sodium silicate.
    Easy to do with some water, sugar and yeast...
    I could not resist and tried a small sample and have to say CO2 seems to work quite nice.
    Unlike air or oven drying the surface seems to be harder as well.
    Will have to check one day how bigger samples work out in terms of ully curing without having to poke holes in them.

    On a side note I also experimented a bit more with 2 part resins.
    For a lot of them you can get thinners that also increase the curing time.
    Most of these thinners are rather nasty but really good surfectants, meaning they are quite capable of wtting the fine ferrite powder AND bonding to the resin.
    It is rather tricky to find the righ amount of resin that is just enough to allow for a proper binding using vaccum forming while also being stable and durable enough - but it is possible.
    It is a bit like making green sand for a mold, you need to find the right amount of thinner and resin or be prepared to make some more cores while adjusting the mix.
    IMHO not worth it as the resin and thinners are too costly but if you deal with a lot of fibre glass making it might be worth exploring.

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    veganfoods
    veganfoods

    5 weeks ago

    I figured out a very simple way to make a Ferrite Core without any equipment but a bowl, spoon, mold and plastic wrap.
    1. Put Ferrite Powder into a bowl, no more than 1/3 full.
    2. Stir-in ATV Silicone (high heat for high heat applications) adding only enough until the mix starts to hold together. Then, mix as thoroughly as possible.
    3. Spoon into a plastic wrap lined mold.
    4. Let set for as long as the ATV Silicone instructions indicate for a full cure, or longer if you want.
    5. Remove from the mold and voila! You have a Ferrite Core!

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    tiwanski44
    tiwanski44

    Reply 21 days ago

    Your tip sounds allot easier than other recipes. Have you compared the inductance of your home made cores to comercial cores? Also I had difficulty finding ATV Silicone, did your mean to write RTV Silicone and if so what is the make and model number of the silicone you used?

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    ziadkh
    ziadkh

    3 months ago on Introduction

    Hi I want to now how I can make toroid core like ft240-43 can I make by myself

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    Downunder35m
    Downunder35m

    Reply 3 months ago

    If you need the specific properties of that core you might have to make quite a few until you find the right mix.
    But there is problem making toroid cores.

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    Downunder35m
    Downunder35m

    7 months ago

    I did some more experiments with waterglass.
    If you make your own on the cheap rather than buying the product you can vary the silica content to great dregree.
    If by weight the sodium hydroxide content is lower than the silca content you get a quite good mix for refractory use - it goes really rock hard.
    For making ferrite this of course nice but lso poses the problem of keeping it all pure and workable.
    I found a nice wetting agent that does not seem to have a negative impact on the reaction or the final product.
    Citric Acid.
    Often used with somer chemicals to make your favourite delimer to clean your coffee machine.
    So, if in doubt you should be able to use delimer as well.

    I've tried more way than I can count to create a mix, putty, or pourable mix that once cured make a half decent ferrite.
    Not so much in terms of what metals or oxides to add to the actual ferrite - just to make the mix usable.
    Iron oxide is just a pain to work with :(
    You want it as fine as possible but in return struggle to get it wet.
    We need water to make our waterglass...
    For 100ml of water you just add about half a teaspoon worth of citric acid.
    Preferable while using a magnetic stirrer slowly add the fine powder that should make your ferrite.
    It should take a moment but with some manual help it should all mix nicely with the water and without leaving lumps or floating dry powder.
    I do not recommend using more poweder for 100ml of water than about 40grams, otherwise mixing will be a pain!
    Good thing is that crystal cat litter is about as cheap drain cleaner and waterglass has so many nice uses...
    Either way, you now make your watergalls with this "contaminated" water.
    You need for 100ml of water: 60gram of crystal cat litter and 80gram of sodium hydroxide or drain cleaner.
    While the mixer is stirring it add some cystal cat litter.
    You only want a little bit so the stirring still works fine.
    Now add a bit of the sodium hydroxide.
    The reaction will start and the hydroxide heats the water, so do not add too much at once.
    The cat litter will start to dissolve, so add some more and let it dissolve as well.
    Once the reaction slows down and the dissolving comes to a stop add more of the sodium hydroxide.
    Keep an eye on the temp here and don't let it start to boil!
    You want it hot and produce a bit of steam but no boiling - the hydroxide is quite nasty until it is used up in the reaction.
    Try to keep some sodium hydroxide when you are out of cat litter.
    The reaction will be quite slow toward the end and adding the last of the sodium hydroxide will help to dissolve the rest of the floating cat litter.
    In most cases it will take about 30 to 60 minutes until the last of the crystals are gone for good.
    As it is hard to see in this slurry it is best to let it mix for about two hours to be on the safe side.

    How the heck do I get the ferrite out....
    Quite easy actually....
    While the mix is still hot and very thin you filter it out.
    Do not be tempted to use a glass or ceramic vacuum filter here!!!
    They will be permantly blocked by the waterglass!
    Only use disposable paper filters and gravity.
    You can of course speed things up with paper filter and plastic vacuum filter system.
    What is left in the filter is your ferrite mix ready to be formed and prefeably pressed or compacted further in the mold.
    Be aware that waterglass sticks to and glues almost anything!
    Prefer to use disposable things when dealing with it or make sure you clean all with plenty of water before it starts to dry and set hard.

    Curing....
    If you have thin and tiny ferrite parts you can let them air dry for a few days until they are hard.
    I prefer using silicone molds set in some plaster mix for stability.
    With this I can place the lot in the oven and speed up the drying process.
    However you will need a decent oven or preferably home made one for this.
    The temperature control is quite critical.
    You want to keep it between 80 and 95°C so whatever moisture is inside the mold will steam off but never boil off!
    The steam keeps the silca on the outside from drying, if in doubt cover the parts with a sheet of paper towel, make sure the paper does not get into contact with your ferrite though.
    It is hard to give guidelines on the time as there is too many variables to consider.
    If you have a humidity sensor you can skip the guesswork.
    The humidity will go down in in your (properly sealed) oven every time you open the door and allow for an air exchange.
    Once you you are qual or below ambient humidity levels the ferrite should be good to go.
    Not that it means for tropical regions 98% humidity would be fine ;)
    For the final and protective coating I prefer to use paint as used for heavy machinery, the tough kind that is very resistant to abresion and damage.

    Recycling...
    Our waterglass with the above measurements by volume and weight is just that, there is or better should no water be left in the mix.
    When you heat it there is still water evaporating or boiling off though.
    And if you keep boiling it you end with a white cement like thing.
    Means water is quite relative here.
    If you keep the remaining and filtered waterglass solution in a clased and sealed jar then it will stay like this for a very long time.
    You can just mix some more ferrite powder with a little bit of water and citric acid to add it back to your old waterglass solution and make more ferrite.
    If sticking to the 100ml of water intitially then in my test I would say you can all up add about 15 to 20gram of citric acid until the crystallisation of the citric acid becomes a problem.
    At this stage you can use the waterglass for refractory bricks and seals but not so much for ferrite anymore.

    I hope someone still find this useful after all those years ;)

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    MehrdadA10
    MehrdadA10

    1 year ago on Step 9

    Hi dear friend
    Good time
    have a nice day
    I want to make a ferrite model
    Thanks to your training .... Thank you for that
    This ferrite is a full tube with a diameter of 6 mm, 8 mm and 10 mm
    Used in the gas industry's droplet industry (Igniter)
    In this case, I wanted to give you the necessary guidance and advice
    So I can make it
    Thanks for helping you, my dear friend
    Contact my email so I can send you a photo of the imported model and how to use it
    Thank you very much for your kindness
    Thank you for sure to reply to my letter
    Thank you
    mehrdad.awacs@gmail.com

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    masood1234
    masood1234

    Question 2 years ago on Step 7

    I made a short ferrite rod using your recipe. I let it dry a few days but didn't heat it or anything. It was much lighter than the commercial ferrite rod on which it was based. I put a enamelled copper wire coil on both rods and only got 18uH for the one I made versus 200uH for the commercial rod. What can I do to get a comparable inductance for my diy rods. Do I need to compress them or add other ingredients perhaps?

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    polonelutu
    polonelutu

    Answer 1 year ago

    It is impossible 200uH but 250,300 or 400uH is very ok with ferrite powdered powder with hammer, adding iron filing with iron and little iron oxide, and binder + lacquer + hardener + thinner, these are used for varnishing of cars or furniture etc.
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    darnstadium
    darnstadium

    2 years ago

    Bismuth oxide, iron oxide and zinc oxide might work in the right proportions, as bismuth has interesting magnetic properties.

    I have some sodium silicate here so might try the second formula mentioned.

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    Denis AugustoL
    Denis AugustoL

    3 years ago

    I believe if I just fill a thin plastic tube with iron oxide I will have a nice core, without needing to use any resin, won´t I? Do you see any problem with that?

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    spark master
    spark master

    Reply 2 years ago

    That is exactly what I am going to try! some commenter say it will work others say nope. Won't know until you try it for your application!

    enjoy

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    Downunder35m
    Downunder35m

    Reply 3 years ago

    If things would be that easy...
    Problem is density and with the oxide it really needs to be as fine as possible.
    You might get away for some time if you add a tiny bit of water with gum arabic as a binder and compacting it really hard.
    Main problem is movement once a strong magnetic field is applied, that is why proper cores are usually like ceramic.

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    Denis AugustoL
    Denis AugustoL

    Reply 3 years ago

    Makes a lot of sense...didn´t think about the movement of the particles...:)

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    FranklinNewhart
    FranklinNewhart

    5 years ago on Step 8

    Looks like I'm the first commenter. I am wanting to use this material to make Toroids for Joule Thieves and also to wind Rodin Coils. Now Rodin Coils are presently wound on Air Cores but they have a lot of properties not yet discovered and work needs to be done on ferrite toroids. It is just that Toroides of the Size I am talking off become rather expensive. This looks to be a possible alternative to the financial disaster independent research already is.

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    Downunder35m
    Downunder35m

    Reply 5 years ago on Introduction

    For project like yours I recommend to experiment with resin instead of plaster or similar as a binder.

    For Joule Thiefs I actually prefer to use ferrite beads as they can be found in old printers and amplifiers.

    An basically every motor inside you will find small ferrite toroids perfect for a Joule Thief, check my Forever Light for some examples.
    But back to your big size ferrite cores...

    If you get a 50-50 resin it would be perfect for the mix but usually you will only find the stuff (at reasonable costs) that needs only a few drops of hardener/activator.

    In any case you want to add as much black iron oxide as possible, so you need a resin with a quite long curing time - don't go for anything with working time under one hour!!

    I experimented on a small scale with 2K glue and had quite good results, so it might works fine for your smaller projects too.

    Be aware that you won't be able to get same same density as commercial ferrite meterials which and compressed and cured by heat that turn the binder in ceramic.

    So where you would usually use an air gap to prevent core saturation you will most likely see that it is not necessary as the home made ferrite simply can't reach the flux densities.

    Another option for a quick check, especially for rodin coils would be to fill a plastic doughnut just with the Iron oxide powder - far from perfect but would show you if there is a noticable difference in flux and magnetic field properties.

    As a "last resort" option for a very quick mix you can also use tree resin, like from pine trees.

    Collect what you can find and try to get the dry stuff not the honey like goo that is fresh.

    Measure by volume how much ferrite you would need.

    Heat the resin slowly until it melts and add a little amount of powdered charcoal - this makes your binder.

    Add the ferrite slowly making sue you keep enough heat and stir well.

    When you notice you can't bind more ferrite add a bit more resin - as I said you want as little binder as possible.

    Once you got enough use it while it is still hot, once it cools it will be rock hard!

    For this to work properly on a doughnut you will need to make a plaster cast for two halfs - top and bottom.

    Pre-heat the cast and fill with your resin mix, scrape of any excess while still hot.

    Do the same for the other half but leave the excess and press the two parts together while the second cast is still hot - if you can keep both hot to assitst the binding process.

    Once cooled down sand it clean and try it out.

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    FranklinNewhart
    FranklinNewhart

    Reply 5 years ago on Introduction

    I am actually considering using a device similar to a centrifical extractor to build the toroids and the material will be dried with heat and under centrifical force. This should remove all possibility of cracking. As to the binder I am actually considering Epson Salt as it can be melted at low temperature and will mix readily with the Ferrite oxide. Once hard it is like rock and will conduct electricity as well as the ferrite so there should be no interference with the flow of the created fields.

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    shomas
    shomas

    Reply 2 years ago

    If it conducts electricity, then you'll have issues with eddy currents.

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    rbusch
    rbusch

    Reply 5 years ago on Introduction

    im interested in if you every tried this epsom salt idea and how well it worked?