Hello everyone I (like alot of my freinds) get tired of... oh why dont you just search "Knex gun" and look at the mini descriptions and read them all, or maybe most and think what alot have us geting tired of, Go ahead! see you in maybe a min or 2? just click back or whatever to return here! and continue from where you last read.Welcome back! Do you see what what I'm talking about? well there are two things and if you did not notice these things feel free to look again!And what is Sypran talking about? (drumroll) the Quotes "It's very powerful" "easy yet powerful knex gun" "gun shoots about 60-70 feet" "this is a very small gun but will fire about 50 feet" "A deadly knex gun" and that is just the first page! i could go on for hours (ok maybe a long time) of coppy and pasteing these quotes!honestly i see to much "easy yet powerfuls" i cant realy tell what is powerful! so what do we do? well we take out time building maybe some and it turns to be not that great or it is great!, or we rush to see if KILLERK, Mepain, Extreme builder, Trainman2000 (i will always call him that >=D)You (aka mykhailo),Perfect duck,loosewire,Dsman19(i cant rember numbers) Oodalumps, am i forgeting anyone? (tell me if i am) has any new ideas/guns.so what do we need to do? WE NEED A FIREPOWER STANDARD something simple like 1-20 and how to mesure it, in earth science they clasify rocks hardnes by what they scratch (nail 2.5 glass 5.5 and so on) we need it something like paper peice, but not that for some guns have alot of power but cant peice due to low velocity and or dull non sharpened bullets.also if you know anything about real guns the bigger the bullet, the more powerful =D but the smaller the bullet the higher peirce rateing (a 0mm would be the best peirce but little damage) so in other words the biger the bullet (45 cal example) the more stoping power it will have but less muzzle velocity (pierceing ability) wile the smaller (7mm) the knocking over/stoping power is anything to be desired, but it will have high muzzle velocity so peirce through more materials. yet with (if it was at all posible) a 0mm (or basicly nothingness) in theory could peirce through ANYTHING but would not stop the person or thing in any way so the same pricable stands for knex notice the shotguns that shoot conectors (or killerks magnum with his amo) create a biger bang sound, they do more damage, but need more force to get all that mass through a paper wile the ones that shoot sharpened (like gorkem's) or greens can peirce paper with ease. so not only will we need a firepower test but a peirce test. peirce is easy enough its velocity and ammo size and a variable if it is sharpend and we have an instructable on how to determin bullet speed. power is bullet size+ extentions (killerk's magnum ammo like) also a little velocitybut the system needs a ruberband standard to keep in mind no putting on more then the systems amount of ruber bands or size of ruber bands (i know people will do this anyway)so what am i basicly saying in this topic? easy please people we need records of bullets speeds for sertain bullets with your guns it is easy since most of you seem to have digital cameras and there is an instructable about it. also we need to know a standard RB cause i dont know whats standard in the rest of the world besides USA and even then i dont know if its standard in the other states (they say americans like everything bigger and sadly sometimes it's true)i have tested some guns out and lets say that stong yet easys from the first page so far are low... so maybe we need a test for difrent kinds of guns! i have seen rifles that fire like a medium pistol (for they are exept they have a longer barrel, bipod, stock, and scope) should these even be given a 6 out of 10 in every catagory? or should it be 2 outa 10 for rifles. if lets say we got a standard of ruberbands to be 2 (not including trigger ruberbands) that where (makeing this up) a circumfrance of 3 inches, end of barrel being 2 feet away from camerathe adverage gun (all makeing up still) 25 feet with white shooting 1 foot per sec, does not dent an empty can. bullet speed of 5 feet per second with a max range of 40 feet (acurate ranges ppl use mesuring tape) with a white bullet that dents and peirce through an empty can we can conclude that the gun has high peirce rate but beter then normal power rateing. so a 7/10 for peirce if best was a max of 60 ft bullet speed of 10 ft per sec and white rods then it could have scored higher.one day when i search "knex gun" i want to see "my first Sniper!, it scored a 7/10 firepower and 8/10 pierce with 100ft range" cause then i can say that is a good gun I'm going to build!